Gun control back as national issue

Star-Telegram ^ | Aug. 12, 2007 | ANNA M. TINSLEY

[neverdem]

The neoCOMs were supposed to have learned the futility of gun control, running RKBA candidates and taking Congress in 2006. These moonbats can't help themselves.

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[Travis McGee]

"I would like to see a policy change that makes direct private-party transfers of guns illegal," Wintemute said.

Hmmmm.....

[neverdem]

Thanks for the pic!

[weaponeer]

Just finished the book the other night, BTW. Great read, just like the first one. I work with Freeper El Gato, and we’re awaiting the next.

[weaponeer]

Maybe I'm not paranoid enough, but I don't usually bother with a bill of sale when I sell a firearm. I usually don't even want to know the buyer's name. I just want to see a TX driver's license and DOB for proof of age. That's all I need to be a legal seller. True, the weapon may be used in a crime someday, and if originally registered to me the cops are going to come looking for me. Fine. I tell them I sold the gun. It may cause me a bit of a hassle being a suspect for awhile, but the authorities actually have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that I committed a crime, not just that I once owned the gun. Since I am not generally anywhere near crime situations, and due to the nature of my work, I am not likely to be a suspect for very long.

So, I don't ever bother with a bill of sale. Mostly just because I hate unnecessary paperwork. Hope that doesn't bite me in the butt someday.

[Travis McGee]

Oleg Volk from
http://www.a-human-right.com/introduction.html
made it for me. He has 100s of super high quality pro-RKBA photos there.

[Travis McGee]

Thanks,

I’m 1/4 of the way through writing the next and last of the series, Foreign Enemies.

[FreedomPoster]

Private sales without any gov’t paperwork are still very much legal in many states.

This is A Good Thing™.

[neverdem]

Thanks for the link. bookmarked

[El Gato]

Also pending in Congress is a "Gun Show Loophole Closing Act of 2007," geared to require criminal-background checks for all firearm transactions at events where guns change hands.

Already the law there, champ.

Depends your local. Federal law only requires the check on transfers *from* a dealer. But you can, and I have, buy from a private individual with no background check, no questions asked. The rules are no different at a gun show than they are in a gun shop, or a private residence. FHL holder must do the check, non dealers not only need not, they can not, because they don't have access to the system.

But of course that Freedom is just another Loophole to the gun grabbers in Congress and elsewhere.

[El Gato]

the best way to increase gun-control in the US is to construct Federally mandated shooting ranges for every city.

Works for the Swiss. No one has invaded them in over 400 years. Yet they have a very small (relative to population) standing army. However on mobilization they have an immense Army. It's said that the Swiss don't have an army, they *are* an Army.

[El Gato]

While I like the freedom of the completely private sale, you do have a little "caveat emptor" issue. You don't know for certain whether the seller is the legal owner of the firearm or fencing stolen property. You also don't know if that firearm has been used in the commission of a crime prior to your purchase. Absent any paperwork to prove the date on which you became the owner, you might well become a suspect in possession of a firearm used in a criminal act.

So do as you do when you buy a stereo, get a receipt. Be prepared to supply the form yourself.

What you indicate did cross my mind when I bought an M-1 Carbine in a private sale at the Dallas Arms Collectors show. I also bought my first center fire handgun just before Brady went into effect and my serious social purposes shotgun just before it was extended to long arms. I'd have preferred an AR-15, but couldn't afford one at the time.

[punster]

Jesse Jackoff, aka Jesse Jack Cass, has gone on a harangue about firearms, in hopes that he may terrify people. Why? If he frightens people enough, he can screw them out of a lot of money. That is Jesse Jackoff’s motivation, he is what people would call a ‘money-grubbing preacher’. Don’t worry, he is not the only one.

[El Gato]

One measure calls for strengthening the national background check system. It also includes spending $400 million a year for five years to help states automate lists of people barred from buying guns, including the mentally ill and convicted criminals, and report those lists to the FBI.

They are talking about H.R. 2640. They don't mention that it's supported by the NRA, but they are more accurate than the NRA, in calling it a "gun control" bill.

Expect to see the changes desired by "Several groups, including the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, the Violence Policy Center and the Legal Community Against Violence" to be made by the Senate, and quietly passed by the House, by voice vote at 0-Dark thirty, when the changes are sent back to them. After all the NRA supports the bill, right, what could be a safer vote?

[Andy Koz]

Amen!

The bill of rights does not give us that right, it protects it! And the Second Amendment protects the First!

I have not really heard Dems squacking (sp?) that much about guns this time around though. I can tell you that half the Dems I know think guns are cool. At least they are right about something :)

[El Gato]

Interestingly, I'm not a citizen of the state where I bought the pistol...was just visiting, but that didn't seem to bother anyone.

Oops, that knock on your door is the BATFE. You broke the law, as did the seller.

US Code Sec. 922. Unlawful acts

(a) It shall be unlawful:

(3) for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, the State where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State, except that this paragraph (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State,

(B) shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity with subsection (b)(3) of this section, and (C) shall not apply to the transportation of any firearm acquired in any State prior to the effective date of this chapter;

...

(5) for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides;except that this paragraph shall not apply to (A) the transfer, transportation, or delivery of a firearm made to carry out a bequest of a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate succession of a firearm by, a person who is permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of the State of his residence, and (B) the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

If you're lucky you can rat out the guy who sold you the gun, (he violated the law too, and is a bigger fish) for a lessor sentence that will deny you your RKBA forever, but will keep you out of Club Fed..if you're lucky.

[El Gato]

Article 2 in the bill of rights ONLY CONFIRMS the inherent right to “bear arms”.

It's supposed to do more than that. It is supposed to forbid (shall not) the government from violating that inherent right.

[neverdem]

Expect to see the changes desired by "Several groups, including the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, the Violence Policy Center and the Legal Community Against Violence" to be made by the Senate, and quietly passed by the House, by voice vote at 0-Dark thirty, when the changes are sent back to them. After all the NRA supports the bill, right, what could be a safer vote?

I wouldn't bet on that. Schumer has said in effect that he is balls to the walls against changes. I doubt the NRA would go for it. That would mean a conference committee. Blue dogs in the House won't stand for that. It would probably force a recorded vote in the House.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[from occupied ga]

Democrats = Gun Grabbers

Unfortunately Republicans = gun grabbers is becoming all too common.