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Ron Paul = Hillary on the War; Rudy Giuliani = Hillary on abortion, etc
Vanity | Jim Robinson

Posted on 09/23/2007 10:53:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Ron Paul = Hillary on the War; Rudy Giuliani = Hillary on abortion, gay rights, gun control, illegal aliens, etc. Neither are conservative. Neither are Republican. I would no more vote for the "Republican antiwar candidate" Ron Paul or the "Republican pro-choice candidate" Rudy Giuliani than I would the treasonous butcher Hillary Klintoon.

JMHO.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: elections; hillary; paul; paulrudybanned; rudy
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To: Badeye
> Every leftwing zealot will [vote for Paul], because they are appalled Hillary Clinton voted for the war in the first place. And given she finally denounced the moveon.org ad yesterday on the Sunday talk shows, they are even more angry with her.

Color me skeptical, but I'll wait to see. My liberal friends are still Hillary fans. In fact, most of them, even though they like MoveOn in general, were thoroughly grossed out by the Betray Us ad, and feel Hillary did the right thing to disown it.

But we're a year from the election, and a lot of other things are going to take precedence by then -- this ruckus about the ad will be a ripple in the pond. And the war might be a very different beast at that point too, especially if we're involved with Iran by then. Or God forbid we've been hit by another attack.

61 posted on 09/24/2007 6:59:42 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Kevmo; jimrob

Oh I hope not. The Paulinati are so adorable...


62 posted on 09/24/2007 7:08:31 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: dayglored

‘Color me skeptical, but I’ll wait to see.’

Just look at the posts at DU or the midgets site, dailykos. They thought Hillary Clinton was just ‘peachy’ til yesterday morning.

” My liberal friends are still Hillary fans.”

There aren’t enough of them.

“In fact, most of them, even though they like MoveOn in general, were thoroughly grossed out by the Betray Us ad, and feel Hillary did the right thing to disown it. “

Its telling Clinton waited over a week to denounce it, and even more telling your ‘liberal friends’ are okay either way.

The so called ‘moderate Democrats’ are going extinct, the ones that made the DLC what it was up until a couple of years ago.


63 posted on 09/24/2007 7:10:07 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: SoCalPol

Nah, they ain’t that good...


64 posted on 09/24/2007 7:13:44 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: Jim Robinson
Well he does have all the resources the “High” Council of the Paulinati can muster at his disposal...
65 posted on 09/24/2007 7:22:16 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: Jim Robinson
Congressman Ron Paul of Texas enjoys a national reputation as the premier advocate for liberty in politics today. Dr. Paul is the leading spokesman in Washington for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies based on commodity-backed currency. He is known among both his colleagues in Congress and his constituents for his consistent voting record in the House of Representatives: Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution. In the words of former Treasury Secretary William Simon, Dr. Paul is the "one exception to the Gang of 535" on Capitol Hill.

Dr. Paul's consistent voting record prompted one Congressman to comment that "Ron Paul personifies the Founding Fathers' ideal of the citizen-statesman. He makes it clear that his principles will never be compromised, and they never are." Another Congresswoman added that "There are few people in public life who, through thick and thin, rain or shine, stick to their principles. Ron Paul is one of those few."

Clearly we can't have a nut like this in the White House. After all, we wouldn't want to set a precedent of electing someone who actually believes that oath they all have to take is binding on them, would we? The man is clearly a menace. Yes, we need another RINO to carry on the glorious tradition of unconstitutional wars and out of control spending, further shredding of the Bill of Rights and casting the Constitution out the windows of the White House in bits and pieces. Good thinking, comrade!

66 posted on 09/24/2007 7:23:17 AM PDT by James Deffenbach
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To: Jim Robinson
The forum IS for like minded conservative activists. FR is NOT a liberal debating society nor a chat room. Abortionists, liberals, RINOs, and antiwar activists can kiss my ass. Don’t need them. Don’t want them.

And yet on the same thread you say you won't vote for anything but a RINO. It gets curioser and curioser.

67 posted on 09/24/2007 7:23:19 AM PDT by James Deffenbach
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To: wagglebee

Ron is the ONLY constitutionalist running and is certainly not a “nutcase.” You could probably add the IQ’s of the rest of the bunch running against him and it wouldn’t equal Ron’s.


68 posted on 09/24/2007 7:23:20 AM PDT by James Deffenbach
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To: James Deffenbach

Wow, nice short stay there bub...


69 posted on 09/24/2007 7:26:08 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: James Deffenbach; jimrob

Triple E, is that you?

I told you to stay out of JTN’s “Spirit Herb” stash...


70 posted on 09/24/2007 7:28:55 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: James Deffenbach; Jim Robinson
Ron is the ONLY constitutionalist running and is certainly not a “nutcase.” You could probably add the IQ’s of the rest of the bunch running against him and it wouldn’t equal Ron’s.

Define "constitutionalist." Show me the part of the Constitution that prohibits military action without a declaration of war. Show me the part of the Constitution that says that the Commander-in-Chief is subordinate to Congress

I'm curious, is there some type of Ron Paul forum out there pushing non-conservatives (i.e. libertarians) to join conservative forums like FR to push your nonsense?

71 posted on 09/24/2007 7:31:09 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: dayglored
Be very careful in defining that line, because you could find yourself on the wrong side of it, all too easily, in the precise circumstance when you need to be on the right side of it.

A good point. Prior to the adopted wording, the 2nd amendment read

A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms

The italicized portion was dropped out of concern that a state, by designating a group or religion pacifist, could arbitrarily attempt to deny the individual right to bear arms.

A shame they didn't leave the composed of the body of the people in.

72 posted on 09/24/2007 7:35:58 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m withya Jim!


73 posted on 09/24/2007 8:12:20 AM PDT by lormand
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To: ejonesie22
> Wow, nice short stay there bub...

Ya think that set a record for fastest flame-out?

74 posted on 09/24/2007 9:37:32 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Damn close...


75 posted on 09/24/2007 9:42:32 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: James Deffenbach

Rut Roh.

This account has been banned or suspended.


Okay


76 posted on 09/24/2007 10:03:10 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Constitution trampling, gun grabbing, abortion rights pushing, gay rights pushing, illegal alien supporting lying liberal scumbags need not apply.

So we can include first amendment violating McCain-Feingold architects, McCain and Thompson in this group I assume?

And Romney should also be included due to his statements on gun control and abortion.
77 posted on 09/24/2007 10:13:30 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: dayglored
Do you really think any Democrats will vote for Paul because of his anti-war stance, in spite of the fact that everything else he stands for is diametrically opposed to the Democrats' socialist agenda? Dems are stupid, I grant you that, but are they THAT stupid???

I'm afraid you need to distinguish between democratic party leadership--what you're talking about--and democratic party voters--what I'm talking about.

First of all, you only need to take a brief stroll around the internet (Slashdot, Digg, etc.) to find out that, yes, Ron Paul would get quite a bit of the voting block that I had mentioned. These people are practically drooling over the prospect.

Second of all, the people who vote Democrat are only fractionally liberal, just like the people who vote Republican are only fractionally conservative. Most of them are not even registered Democrats.

You are quite right that Ron Paul's conservative inclinations will be too much for most of the Democrat fringe... but that is hardly relevant, since they would not vote for anyone who wasn't a Democrat.

The point is that we have run pretty much the crappiest counter-media campaign imaginable lately, and a lot of the people we've lost who would otherwise be drawn to the Democratic party are fairly likely to get behind Ron Paul instead.

78 posted on 09/24/2007 11:20:49 AM PDT by explodingspleen
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To: Jim Robinson

I suspect whatever the anwers are will be of great disinterest.


79 posted on 09/24/2007 1:01:03 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: James Deffenbach
Congressman Ron Paul of Texas enjoys a national reputation as the premier advocate for liberty in politics today.

He's a legend in his own mind. ;)

80 posted on 09/24/2007 1:17:05 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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