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Arctic Melt Unnerves the Experts
NY Times ^ | October 2, 2007 | ANDREW C. REVKIN

Posted on 10/02/2007 1:50:53 AM PDT by neverdem

The Arctic ice cap shrank so much this summer that waves briefly lapped along two long-imagined Arctic shipping routes, the Northwest Passage over Canada and the Northern Sea Route over Russia.

Over all, the floating ice dwindled to an extent unparalleled in a century or more, by several estimates.

Now the six-month dark season has returned to the North Pole. In the deepening chill, new ice is already spreading over vast stretches of the Arctic Ocean. Astonished by the summer’s changes, scientists are studying the forces that exposed one million square miles of open water — six Californias — beyond the average since satellites started measurements in 1979.

At a recent gathering of sea-ice experts at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks, Hajo Eicken, a geophysicist, summarized it this way: “Our stock in trade seems to be going away.”

Scientists are also unnerved by the summer’s implications for the future, and their ability to predict it.

Complicating the picture, the striking Arctic change was as much a result of ice moving as melting, many say. A new study, led by Son Nghiem at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and appearing this week in Geophysical Research Letters, used satellites and buoys to show that winds since 2000 had pushed huge amounts of thick old ice out...

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Still, many of those scientists said they were becoming convinced that the system is heading toward a new, more watery state, and that human-caused global warming is playing a significant role.

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In essence, Arctic waters may be behaving more like those around Antarctica, where a broad fringe of sea ice builds each austral winter and nearly disappears in the summer. (Reflecting the different geography and dynamics at the two poles, there has been a slight increase in sea-ice area around Antarctica in recent decades.)

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KEYWORDS: agw; arcticregions; climatechange; globalwarming
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To: neverdem
At a recent gathering of sea-ice experts...<

What's the going pay for being a sea-ice expert?

21 posted on 10/02/2007 4:02:50 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: Darkwolf377

Female polar bears and their cubs to suffer most.


22 posted on 10/02/2007 4:06:25 AM PDT by bikerman (_ _ . /_ _ _ /_ . . / / . . . . / . / . _ . . / . _ _ . / / . . _ / . . . //)
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To: Beowulf

ping


23 posted on 10/02/2007 4:07:12 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: bikerman
Female polar bears and their cubs to suffer most.

Immigrant minority female polar bears...

24 posted on 10/02/2007 4:07:54 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist living in Boston)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
I think a big part of the problem with the melting ice cap is the tourist-scientist having to arrange to ice-breakers to get them to where they want to be. A large mass of ice will last much longer if it is not carved up into a bunch of smaller pieces so more of it is exposed to the sun and surface water.
25 posted on 10/02/2007 4:22:08 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Rennes Templar
".....there has been a slight increase in sea-ice area around Antarctica in recent decades"

Uh, it's at an ALL TIME HIGH! Sound the global cooling alarm.

26 posted on 10/02/2007 4:35:06 AM PDT by Paladin2 (If you can't say something nice about CFR lackeys, just keep quiet.)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Horse drawn SUVs

You figured it out!

Intestinal gas!

Methane is a Green House Gas

Stop Global Warming eat Your Horse

< / Sarcasm >

27 posted on 10/02/2007 4:39:59 AM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Polo travelled extensively by ship. Made a well known map that shows the coast of Alaska and North Canada, though distorted and difficult to interpret if you don't take into account the difference between magnetic north and true north. Here's an excerpt that is very striking, that rephrases one passage from his works:

"In the Far North, Marco Polo sailed along a waterway that was later known as the Northwest Passage. He traveled as far as Baffin Island. It was in this region between the Magnetic Pole (red triangle) and the Geographic North Pole where he described a peculiar phenomenon called “Magnetic Compass Declination.” He observed that the Pole Star appeared to be situated south by compass bearing. " The only place that is true is near Hudson Bay. http://marcopolovoyages.com/LibCongressPapers/GunnarThompson2.html

28 posted on 10/02/2007 4:40:10 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Sherman Logan

I had the time to look this up for you ... in the following post, that map is linked:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1878574/posts?page=22#22


29 posted on 10/02/2007 4:51:51 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: neverdem

Ice that melts in the summer and returns in the winter. Wow, who’da thunk it?


30 posted on 10/02/2007 4:59:57 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: neverdem

Where is the sea level rise associated with all this melting ice?


31 posted on 10/02/2007 5:01:28 AM PDT by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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To: BipolarBob
and their ability to predict it

They can't even tell me if it's going to rain this Saturday.

32 posted on 10/02/2007 5:09:47 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Sherman Logan
I don't recall anything about long sea voyages while he was working for Kublai.

Please, Sherm.....no facts. Can't you see we're dealing with feeeeeeeelings here?

33 posted on 10/02/2007 5:12:25 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: 6SJ7
What's the going pay for being a sea-ice expert?

In cold cash or frozen assets?

34 posted on 10/02/2007 5:14:51 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Free commerce is the only just way to redistribute wealth.)
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To: neverdem

Saw a show recently about the HUGE waves that form in the Bering Sea and travel across the ocean (much like tsunamis) and hit the ice shelf very hard, causing it to eventually break. I was surprised that this show made it past the global warming sensors. It was on Discovery or NGC or one of those networks.


35 posted on 10/02/2007 5:28:06 AM PDT by a real Sheila (stop hillary NOW!)
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To: neverdem
We must know the difference between “climate change”, that is natural, ongoing, never changing and goes on apart from human activity and “Global Warming”, the secular but earth-worshipping religion that assumes humans are bad and the planet would be much better off without any.

One aspect of Global Warming is the continual bias to news that supports it. As was famously said, by someone famous enough that I cannot call his name, that it only takes one contrary fact to destroy even the most elaborate theory.

In 1942, during WW II, a P-38 fighter airplane being ferried to England was forced to land on Greenland’s glacier. The pilot was rescued but the aircraft was abandoned.

In 1992 a team of explorers and aviation buffs set about recovering this aircraft. Over the last 50 years, it had become buried in 300 feet of ice and snow.

See:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/22/america/NA-GEN-US-Glacier-Plane.php

Now stop and consider that little fact: in the last 50 years, when advocates of Global Warming (a change of the climate that should, well, be observed globally, meaning everywhere) insist humanity has put the most CO2 in the atmosphere and should have experienced the most warming, that this area of Greenland enjoyed the accumuation of an additional 300 FEET of frozen precipiation.

Further consider that if the entire arctic is melting, as these sincere advocates of Global Warming insist, that such warming would be observed globally of course. Yet, we would have to see the melting of 300 FEET of ice to return to the level of the ice back in 1942.

If I am wrong here, please correct me.

It seems that the story of the recovery of this aircraft becomes one of the many contrary facts to the present theories (being assumed to be entirely true) about climate change.

36 posted on 10/02/2007 5:30:00 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: neverdem

Climate changes. It always has. Why is this so dofficult for liberals to grasp? Sometime in the next 5,000-20,000 years, New York City will be completely wiped off the map. All buildings will be swept into the sea by glaciers. There is nothing we can do about it. We have no way to oppose a force so massive it CREATED Long Island just from sediment from glacial “scraping” of the coast. The Earth’s forces dwarf us. And then there is the power of the Sun. Whatever we do is rendered irrelevant by these massive forces.


37 posted on 10/02/2007 5:47:27 AM PDT by montag813 (1)
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To: neverdem

And Bangladesh disappeared.


38 posted on 10/02/2007 5:53:20 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Wonder Warthog
I wonder if there is any evidence from Viking records concerning sea ice.

Let's remember they called Greenland "Greenland", and apparently had farms in the parts they settled. And, while the Arctic sea ice is melting a lot more the past few years than it has lately (or perhaps since the 'Age of Exploration'), not only is the Antarctic continental ice sheet at record thickness, so is the Greenland ice sheet.

39 posted on 10/02/2007 5:59:54 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: BipolarBob
Tell your grandkids or else this knowledge will cease.

But, but, but it's a CRISIS! There hasn't been this much melting since, uh, er, 1979......

40 posted on 10/02/2007 6:08:09 AM PDT by Thermalseeker (Thinking of voting Democrat? Wake up and smell the Socialism!)
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