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Girl allegedly molested on Delta flight (Freep a Poll)
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 10/11/07 | D.L. BENNETT

Posted on 10/12/2007 5:46:32 AM PDT by Sopater

An 11-year-old Alabama girl flying alone from San Diego to Atlanta says a man slipped into the empty seat beside her and sexually molested her on a crowded Delta jet.

The disturbing charges were made public in a lawsuit filed last week in Fulton County State Court could make parents think twice before placing any unescorted child on a bus, plane or train. The suit seeks unspecified damages.

Delta, with more than 1,000 flights a day leaving Atlanta alone, estimates it carries thousands of unescorted young fliers a year.

Savannah lawyer Mark Tate, who is representing the family, said the girl, whose name was withheld in the lawsuit, was traumatized by the incident.

Although the girl reported the incident to her mother when she got off the plane, Tate said no criminal charges have been filed and no suspect identified. The mother took the report to Huntsville police, Atlanta police and eventually the FBI.

"Delta has a very high burden to meet in protecting passengers," said Tate. "We feel Delta didn't meet that. This little girl is not doing well. It's caused severe problems."

Airline officials refused to directly address the charges in the lawsuit.

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To: DManA
That is an implicit limitation of this forum. We can only comment on what is on the table.

Your point?

51 posted on 10/12/2007 7:25:48 AM PDT by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: day10
BTW, regarding my post at #48, there was no surcharge for unaccompanied minor status on Continental during the 80's and early 90's when we used this service.

ML/NJ

52 posted on 10/12/2007 7:27:21 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: tsmith130
Said to her?! There is absolutely NOTHING that he could have said to my daughter that would make her allow him to sexually molester her!! NADA-ZIP-ZILCH!

I hope you are right and it seems that you are doing a good job teaching your daughter what to do. I am doing the same but children can get frightened or be so scared they do nothing. I wonder how someone could do this act without the attendant coming by & checking the child? I tell my 8 yr old nobody has the right to touch her & to get away from anyone who she thinks is a danger. Do whatever she has to do, bite , kick scream etc. Not to believe that person will kill her family etc. I just hope she never has to go through anything like this girl did.

53 posted on 10/12/2007 7:29:06 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah & Muslims ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I’m looking at my own eleven year-old daughter right now, and am with others, wondering how this story can be true. An eleven year-old is being molested on a crowded plane and doesn’t cry out? Not a whimper that can be heard by other nearby passengers? !!
54 posted on 10/12/2007 7:36:54 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: gun_supporter
How does freep want me to vote?

It's an online poll. Everyone on the internet should vote for Ron Paul. If that isn't a choice, email the editors.

Didn't you get the email?

55 posted on 10/12/2007 7:39:12 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: pandoraou812
just hope she never has to go through anything like this girl did.

I'm still not convinced that this girl went through anything. I'll withhold judgment until (if) I hear more.

56 posted on 10/12/2007 7:42:15 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: xjcsa
Agreed - if the facts of this story are as described, Delta clearly has significant liability here and deserves what they get.

Why do they have significant liability? They have no control over who buys an airline ticket, be it child molester or child. It is up to parents when they book a child to fly alone, to know if their child is mature and assertive enough to protect herself in a reasonably public setting.

The airline cannot be expected to sit with any child that books a ticket to make sure no one touches her. They aren't a parent, they're a transportation company.

57 posted on 10/12/2007 7:44:47 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: FrPR

LOL!


58 posted on 10/12/2007 7:51:09 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her PHONINESS is REAL!!!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Why do they have significant liability? They have no control over who buys an airline ticket, be it child molester or child. It is up to parents when they book a child to fly alone, to know if their child is mature and assertive enough to protect herself in a reasonably public setting.

The airline cannot be expected to sit with any child that books a ticket to make sure no one touches her. They aren't a parent, they're a transportation company.

Delta requires children under age 14 traveling alone to enroll in their Unaccompanied Minor program, under which Delta takes responsibility for their care. They act in loco parentis in this case, much like a school. They sign for "custody" from the adult dropping off the child at the origin, and have "chain of custody" paperwork throughout the trip, until the child is signed back over to the receiving adult at the end. They are indeed responsible for the child's safety in this case.

59 posted on 10/12/2007 7:55:56 AM PDT by xjcsa (Defenseless enemies are fun.)
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To: tsmith130
I'm still not convinced that this girl went through anything. I'll withhold judgment until (if) I hear more.

True & I think you are right.

60 posted on 10/12/2007 7:55:57 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah & Muslims ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: xjcsa

I think they are responsible for making sure the child gets where she needs to be so she doesn’t get lost in plane changes and things.

I just don’t see how they can be expected to know that something like this report indicates is happening if the girl doesn’t report it and the other surrounding passengers didn’t appear to notice. The flight attendants have a whole plane to serve. They can’t help her if she doesn’t alert them.

I think the very fact that we don’t know who the man is, is suspect. They know who was on that plane. If there was any basis for the complaint, they’d have been able to get a name.


61 posted on 10/12/2007 8:02:09 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Scythian

There is no proof that this really happened. If you have taught your children to raise a rukus if touched inappropriately, it is as safe as allowing them to ride the bus to school or allowing them to go into a public restroom.


62 posted on 10/12/2007 8:16:46 AM PDT by trussell (I'm a FREDeralist!)
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To: Scythian

“...OBVIOUSLY, THIS GIRL BEING MOLESTED...”

How do you know she was molested? Do you have information that the rest of us do not?

If so, spill.


63 posted on 10/12/2007 8:26:53 AM PDT by getitright
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To: ariamne

You should have second thoughts about it now. The statement I made was intended to make people “think” about this. O.K., so yea, the kid will be turned over to and overseen by the “Flight Attendants”. Where do you think we live folks? I don’t automatically see halo’s floating over everyone and anyone wearing a Flight Attendant suit! They are drawn from the same cesspool society and culture the rest of us are forced to swim in. Yea, turn your kid over to that bull dyke flight attendant or the one who looks like Michael Vick in drag because he/she is a tranny, and take your chances. Does anyone here have any idea how many kids go missing in this country every year? Get a grip or more important get some real information about what’s really going on. Step outside the burbs long enough to get a whiff of GP, (General Population)!


64 posted on 10/12/2007 8:33:46 AM PDT by glide625
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To: johnny7
The incident alleged in the lawsuit occurred on Jan. 6 when the girl was on a return trip from San Diego where she was visiting her father, a Marine who was on leave. Her mother, a 31-year-old property manager from Huntsville, was set to meet the plane in Atlanta.

"Seated next to her was a child molester who switched seats so that neither were in their assigned seats," the suit reads... "

I agree. Just too many gaps in execution and information, to wit:

-The incident happened in January and the lawsuit is just being filed in October?

-Nobody is sitting in their assigned seat, so the passenger list (if it still exists) cannot be used to identify the possible assailant (other than placing every man on the flight under suspicion).

-Terminal surveillence tapes get recycled periodically. Given the amount of time since the incident occurred, the possibility of using it to make an identification is probably gone as well.

- Finally, before getting too committed to the story, remember that kids do make up some pretty serious things out of whole cloth and that false claims to extort money from public accommodations do get made from time to time.

To be fair, the terrible converse must be held to be possible as well; that a young girl traveling alone WAS molested on a flight from San Diego to Atlanta.

65 posted on 10/12/2007 8:37:39 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: Sopater

Hey I just traveled on a plane Wednesday. Maybe I need to get in on this quick money making scheme. Mother and Daughter needed a way for future college finances and seems to have found the way.


66 posted on 10/12/2007 8:42:56 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Suzy Quzy
I'll grant that there are poor parents that would send an 11 yo on a flight without proper instructions regarding this sort of thing, but I can't think it would be very many. And I know that when my daughter flew alone when she was 11, she was quite clear with us that she knew what to do if such a thing were to happen.


67 posted on 10/12/2007 8:50:53 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Sopater
"Although the girl reported the incident to her mother when she got off the plane, Tate said no criminal charges have been filed and no suspect identified. The mother took the report to Huntsville police, Atlanta police and eventually the FBI.

sw

68 posted on 10/12/2007 8:53:14 AM PDT by spectre (spectre's wife (Susan Estrich, "Hillary sucks all the oxygen out of the room".)
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To: Sopater

I think this may be a set up but not sure. It has the hint of separated parents Marine father in SD on leave yet the father and girl visit alone in SD? Does not compute. Also why in the hell didn’t the girl yell or shout???


69 posted on 10/12/2007 8:53:27 AM PDT by Shots
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To: Sopater
I'm not going to rush to judgment on this story, it sounds too fishy. A molester attacks a girl with 100+ people in close proximity? People sitting across the aisle could see what was happening.

Let's say this attack happened, why wasn't this girl taught to stand up for herself and defend herself?

70 posted on 10/12/2007 9:07:31 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Fairview

LOL

My (then HS aged) daughter asked for some boots - we live in AK, makes sense.

She showed me the boots - German Tanker boots. OK, they are surplus and wear well. She insisted on the steel toed version - OK, safety first.

Where would she wear these - in a mosh pit of course. The young men learned very quickly about getting too close.

She does kick boxing as well. I know my grandkids are safe....


71 posted on 10/12/2007 9:47:47 AM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: Sopater

Why in the world was an eleven year old flying alone?


72 posted on 10/12/2007 10:24:35 AM PDT by kenth
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To: PAR35

Confused...


73 posted on 10/12/2007 12:34:39 PM PDT by gun_supporter
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To: shadeaud

I was thinking the same thing, this smells might fishy..

(a) If when my daughter got off a plane she told me this I would rip the airport apart with my bear hands trying to get a hold of the guy.

(b) Did she not even bother to hit the stewerdess button for help?


74 posted on 10/12/2007 1:49:42 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: glide625

And, at what age, should said statute not make it criminal?


75 posted on 10/12/2007 1:50:30 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: ml/nj
My daughter started flying by herself when she was seven years old.

Dumb question: Why didn't you fly with her?

76 posted on 10/12/2007 1:53:19 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ASOC
Mosh girl!

77 posted on 10/12/2007 2:00:56 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: glide625

You are such an ass. What would you know about it?


78 posted on 10/12/2007 2:05:45 PM PDT by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: evets
LOL

My daughter was a little skinnier and had really BIG boots. More than a few bloody shins at the and of the evening...

79 posted on 10/12/2007 2:22:01 PM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: gun_supporter

I was making an obscure reference to this thread

An Open Letter to the Ron Paul Faithful
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1910141/posts

and the fact that Ron Paul supporters have a reputation of spamming online polls. So when the question was asked as to how you should vote on a completely unrelated online poll, my answer was “Ron Paul”.


80 posted on 10/12/2007 9:47:20 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: cspackler
I know it's an old thread, but...

Dear Penthouse...

The modern version is, "One time, on my way to band camp,...". LOL!

81 posted on 12/16/2007 8:52:51 PM PST by Ignatz (Did you know before the internal combustion engine, global warming/cooling never occurred? [/SARC])
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To: PAR35

I got it. :-)


82 posted on 12/16/2007 8:56:13 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
I got it. :-)

And in just 64 days!

83 posted on 12/16/2007 9:58:29 PM PST by PAR35
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To: MEGoody

No one in any of the seats around the girl was unself-absorbed enough to notice anything out of the ordinary?


The world is caught up in its own little world. To demonstrate this to my kids (as a Lesson in Awareness), I would take them and my big blue & gold macaw to the grocery store and say, “Watch how many people DO NOT even notice this bird.” I’d perch her up on my shoulder and a’shopping we would go.

Children ALWAYS noticed her and would follow us around.

Adults, however, rarely noticed the bright blue and yellow 32” exotic creature that would even say ‘hello’ to them.

What I wanted to show my girls is that THEY need to be vigilant because most adults are not when it comes to safety, predators, etc.


84 posted on 12/16/2007 10:11:01 PM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: pandoraou812

I am doing the same but children can get frightened or be so scared they do nothing.


Even adults get scared....I had a fire (that raged from a small flame to an inferno within about 3 seconds) a few weeks ago in the kitchen and just froze in panic. There were 2 fire extinguishers within about 5 feet but my mind didn’t ‘move.’

While I am not stupid and *usually* react well in an emergency (all heads turn to me when there are broken bones or blood) this time I became paralyzed. Rather than put it out (duh), I frantically called 911 and got all the critters out in a stupid daze.

In hindsight, I go over all the ‘should have dones’ and ‘I knew betters’ (like grab an extinguisher and save the kitchen!) but the ‘connection’ wasn’t made at the time.

So, YES, an 11 year-old absolutely CAN shut down in a situation like that even though they’ve been taught all the Stranger-Danger stuff.

LMR
(PS - no one was hurt and Santa is bringing a brand new updated kitchen this year!)


85 posted on 12/16/2007 10:35:22 PM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: Dasaji
What I wanted to show my girls is that THEY need to be vigilant because most adults are not when it comes to safety, predators, etc.

Very sad. People are so caught up in their own little world.

86 posted on 12/17/2007 5:58:56 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Scythian
HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE, OBVIOUSLY, THIS GIRL BEING MOLESTED MEANS IT'S NOT SAFE, IT SHOULD ALSO POINT OUT HOW MANY PREDITOR'S THERE ARE, THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. HOW COULD THOSE IDIOTS VOTE YES, IT'S SAFE?

Whoa, you need to up your dosage!

87 posted on 12/17/2007 8:42:37 AM PST by Rita Hayworth (Isn't being a God of his own planets enough for Romney, he has to be president too??!!)
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To: Dasaji
Thank goodness nobody was hurt & Santa is bringing that new kitchen! I still think that a person can scare you into being silent. I have not kept up with this story so I don’t know the outcome but I can see a child freezing. Stick a gun or knife in my side or say something to terrify me & I am sure I would freeze up. Its easy to stay I would do this..Or my child would never let it happen. Hopefully not but you don’t know what you will do until it happens IMHO. Merry Christmas & enjoy the new kitchen!
88 posted on 12/18/2007 9:34:15 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( Its NOT for the good of the children! Its BS along with bending over for Muslim's demands)
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To: Scythian
HOW COULD THOSE IDIOTS VOTE YES, IT'S SAFE?

because there are thousands of minors who travel unaccompanied every year, and nothing happens to them? that fact would pretty much prove that yes is the correct answer, would it not?

89 posted on 12/18/2007 9:45:46 AM PST by CT-Freeper (Said the frequently disappointed but ever optimistic Mets fan.)
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