Posted on 10/15/2007 4:29:47 AM PDT by StatenIsland
I’m tired of all these tootyfruityrudy threads.
Jim Robinson purged the most obnoxious of the rudybots from Free Republic for a reason. This reinfestation doesn’t seem to have anything new to commend it. It is the same level of argumentation that we all went through before.
This is a socon forum, not a GOP forum; rootytoot is a solib. End of story.
Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821435/posts
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson
Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Very well put and I agree.
The problem is the Conservative candidates are poliing at 5%.
It’s time to open up our minds and find the things we do agree with. I think Rudy will be the guy and I will take him any day over Hillary. Don’t hand another win to the democrats.
Not so.
Conservative Thompson is polling much higher than 5%.
Hmmm, since you asked, well - YES - they are. At least in THIS world. No matter how deep one's faith in the world to come, we must take care of the business in this world FIRST.
As was once said:
"Render unto Caeser what is Caeser's, and unto God what is God's."
As long as I have to live in this world (unto death, I presume?), my interests on earth are preserving the country and what it has traditionally stood for.
I intend to support the Republican nominee, be it Rudy, Thompson, or anyone else. The alternative is beyond unacceptable.
- John
No matter how deep one’s faith in the world to come, we must take care of the business in this world FIRST. As was once said: “Render unto Caeser what is Caeser’s, and unto God what is God’s.”
***Actually, you kinda got that backwards. Jesus was saying that his audience needed to render unto God what belonged to Him, as much as the converse — actually MORE than the converse. And, keeping in mind that Jesus Christ was put to death for claiming to be God, you need to render to Him what is His due.
Here’s an analogy to work with. Take a small box and fill it with some rocks. Then add some rice, filling it to the top. Now take all the same stuff, but in a different order. Put in the rice first, then add the rocks. What you’ll find is that if you put in the big stuff first, the small stuff will fit around it. But if you put in the small stuff first, the big stuff won’t have room. The republican tent is the box. The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first. The little issues are things that can be accommodated around the bigger stuff. A candidate who tries to focus on the smaller issues first and leave out the bigger issues has no way of getting all of us into the tent. He splits the party. The candidate who gets the big stuff right and as much of the little stuff that will fit, he can fit more into the tent. We’re often amazed at how much rice can keep fitting in. Rudy Giuliani flunks some of the big issues, and on some of the little issues it looks to me like anyone else’s rice would do just as well. All that remains for us to agree on is which are the bedrock principles and which are not. Why would there be so much invective aimed at rudy from the right? Because there are some bedrock principles that he is leaving out. Bad move. I see rudybot postings all the time saying that they would vote for Hunter, and I see socon postings that say they would not vote for rudy. That’s a BIG indicator of a few bedrock principles that are being left outside the tent in order to let in some rice.
That same analogy works with God as the rocks in the box, and the rest of our lives & details as the rice. We fit God into our lives, and let the rest fill in where they can fit. THAT is rendering unto God properly and Caesar properly. Doing it in reverse leaves out the most important part.
On social issues, there is no difference between RG and HRC.
Well said. The problem is giving TOO MUCH to Caesar and really not knowing the difference..
I saw Guiliani and his wife on Hannity & Colmes and was very impressed. I’d feel a hell of a lot more comfortable with him in there than with Clinton. There are huge differences between them. To suggest otherwise is sophomoric.
What about Embryonic Stem Cell Research??? The Baby in a Blender blockbuster money maker for Wall Street. It will be one of the biggest corporate welfare gigs ever seen. Where is Rudy on this???
What do you think of President Bush? I'd call him a huge RINO, maybe even an AINO (American in name only) after his repeated attempts to sell the country's sovereignty down the river.
There are huge differences between them. To suggest otherwise is sophomoric.
***I suggest otherwise, so call me a sophomore. I’d rather have an enemy in front of me I can counter than an enemy behind me stabbing me in the back.
I like how Cogamer had to say it, so once again I’m stealing it:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1909436/posts?page=158#152
some people on this board are PUSHING it. They not only expect us to grin and tolerate it, they expect us to help!! They see conservatives being marginalized, and then bash conservatives for not supporting the politicians who are marginalizing them. It’s insane!
Let’s look at this through the prism of other movements: Would pro-choice women vote for a politician who announced he wanted to make abortion illegal? Would black voters ever support a politician who wanted to bring back segregation? Would muslims ever support a candidate who was on the record as saying islam was evil?
Would their friends even TRY to tell them they HAD to vote for these candidates even if they didn’t want to?
No! But conservatives are expected to vote for anyone who has an R after their name, no matter how dangerous to the movement, just to avoid the ire of a bunch of wishy-washy phonies whose only brush with conservatism is the fact that they post to this website.
They need to understand - if they nominate Rudy, THEY are responsible for what follows. THEY know many will refuse to support him. So, turning their flawed logic on its head : If they support Rudy, they must actually want Hillary to win. Indeed - if Hillary changed parties they’d be telling us we had to support HER to stop OBAMA!!!!
152 posted on 10/10/2007 6:28:13 PM PDT by COgamer
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What I find to be odd about this whole conversation is that those who rail against Conservatives here seem to forget that we have no personal control over the Conservative body, and that in fact, no one does.
What will undoubtedly happen is completely automatic, with no input to the masses of the Conservative wing. All that we Conservatives here are doing is delivering a warning message.
What keeps the Conservatives "in the fold" for the Republicans, be it the Constitutional (libertarian) or the Social (Christian) Conservatives, are the principles set out by the party. If the party does not embrace the values of these factions they will vote elsewhere- They always do.
Whether others take heed is the point of decision, as the outcome is inevitable.
Julie is the only one that for sure cannot beat Hitlery.
He would lose 100% of the “NASCAR Dads.”
Rudy is a whore, Fred..........nuff said.
Suppose Fred Thompson gets the nod. Which would be a better use of $1,000: supporting Fred Thompson's campaign or buying a(nother) gun along with some ammo and range time? Which would be a better use of time: supporting Fred Thompson's campaign, or going to the range.
Now suppose Rudy is nominated. Would you answer the questions the same way?
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