Skip to comments.NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE
Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."
Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.
We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life the unborn without diminishing the value of all human life. Ronald Reagan
Scripture says the reverential fear/awe of The Lord
is the BEGINNING
A vote for Rudy in the primaries is a vote for Hillary in the General election. Keep that in mind before you vote in the primaries. If Rudy is the nominee, then I will not vote for president next November. I will work towards getting a conservative Senate and Congress to keep the Hildebeast at bay. This is one issue we cannot capitulate on.
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“Anyone who believes that it is ok to murder the unborn is irredeemable in my eyes.”
That’s a very good way to put it. Consider yourself plagiarized.
Rudy is a constitution trampling, gun grabbing, illegal alien supporting, gay rights activist abortionist liberal. No thank you. No man who praises Margaret Sanger, NARAL, and Plannned Parenthood, or marches in Gay Day parades, or sets up sanctuary cities for illegal aliens, or sues gun manufacturers as part of his unconstitutional fight for gun control, or sues the president to stop him from using the line item veto to save taxpayer dollars will ever receive my vote. He IS the domestic enemy.
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imho, to put it mildly . . .
he’s also a ruthless globalist committed stooge of the world government oligarchy. And their Constitution shredding ruthlessness knows no bounds.
Well said. Primaries are the place to settle this. Any Republican is better than Hillery. Shame on those who can’t figure that out.
Between Hillary and Rudy? I dont see a difference.
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I see a slight one . . .
Shrillery would rush us into the world government at the speed of light with all their bells and whistles she could throw at the hapless serfs.
Rudy would take the bullet train or maybe a fast jet to get there and throw the ruthlessness at us in smaller chunks . . .
And shame on you for planning and scheming to vote for a murderer of helpless innocent babies.
I agree 100% I will not compromise on life for Rudy. If the GOP selects Rudy in the primaries, they are tossing the election to Hillary. Voting for Rudy will end up swinging the entire GOP left. We already have one party left of center. We don’t need two. I know the MSM, country clubers, and liberals would love to have two parties left of center. We have to work to make sure that doesn’t happen. At least if the Beast wins, the party will realize they can’t win without conservatives and slide back to the right.
I think heart-felt prayer and fasting by earnest Christians can do a lot more than letter writing and other forms of activism—though they are quite certainly important, too.
GOA's summary is absolutely devastating. You cannot be a friend of the Second and still support him. It's simply not possible if you have any honesty at all.
In 1993, before even being sworn in as mayor, Giuliani met with then-President Clinton at the White House to discuss national gun registration. Giuliani supported the Brady bill, which had recently passed, but argued that it didn't go far enough.
The President, largely crediting Giuliani for the idea, enthusiastically sent Attorney General Janet Reno off to develop a gun licensing and registration system.
The Clinton-Giuliani scheme was slowed only by the Republican Revolution of 1994.
Rudy Giuliani -- GOA 2008 Presidential Candidates and the Second Amendment
“the answer is to defeat the RINO in the primary. Not talk up how youd be willing to vote for any Republican if it comes to it. that kind of talk just encourages the GOP to believe they can nominate Rudy and experience no fall back. rudys numbers in the past week have been falling precisely because people have drawn a line in the sand saying they would NEVER vote for him, and thats causing the people who think hes so damn electable to reconsider their support of him in the primary.”
Finally some truth comes out. You’re not really having a frank conversation with your peers about a difficult scenario in a general election as much as you are selling the concept out of fear that many of the rest of us just aren’t smart enough. Sounds like the Democrat position that the general population simply isn’t smart enough. I would expect a bit more faith or credit for our intelligence. It may be a difficult scenario in the general election (this is way too early to say but it could be) and I find it shocking how many people here say they would rather see Hillary than vote for a RINO. Amazing. Hopefully this is all moot and the primaries will yield a solid candidate.
Good to see you here on a Pro Life thread.
How much longer will it be proffered if the Republican party keeps giving up on core principals?
The importance of leaders standing up for the unborn is exemplified by the reaction to this thread posted by J.R.
Without our Military, we will be destroyed by the enemy outside our borders. Without our morals and respect for the unborn, we will destroy our children and destroy ourselves from within.
What love can an adult provide a newborn that it cannot provide the unborn?
Show me where he said this? Or has suggested he would try and make abortions federal paid for again. I don't buy this whatsoever.
Copy this link and past it into your browser and watch him say it with his own mouth.
Gonna go fishing if that’s the choice .... have a nice day.
Now stop that. I am not PROUDLY pro-abortion. I wish there were no abortions...BUT I LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD. And it will never be outlawed here. I want it hard to get, parental notification, waiting periods, counseling..etc. But totally illegal...no.
We had a Republican Congress and Muslims who weren't blatantly on the warpath during those 8 years. And what has happened with all these blogs, the internet and your beloved FR? We had a Democrat takeover and a country that has turned FURTHER to the left. The internet doesn't just veer to the right, in case you haven't noticed..
How old are you? Be honest.
Which means you’re an abortionist and proud of it. No wonder you support an abortionist for president. Giulani used to start out his speeches with “I am a pro-choice Republican.” Wonder why he doesn’t do that anymore?
God help us if Fred is nominated...he is incompetant to run for President...it’s amazing that you don’t see that. No way Romney could win a general election. Have fun watching Hillary Clinton give the State of the Union Address with Bill and Chelsea sitting in the balcony.
Shame on anyone who votes for the man who if he became President, would destroy the Republican Party!
***Tootyfruityrudy actually has the potential to destroy the Republican Party even if he is just nominated, let alone if he became president.
There can be no rights without life itself.
I find their arguments, explanations and insults just childish.
What? 1st WTC bombing. Two embassy bombings. Khobar Towers bombing. Kosovar Muslims in Serbia. USS Cole bombing. CIA employee shot down right outside Quantico, VA headquarters. Murrah building in OKC.
It’s different NOW, and you know it.
Thank you, I agree and have always felt this way.
A person of your stature who stands on principle is rare these days. You are an example and an encouragement.
I’ve been here 10 years longer than you..back when we were all fighting for the same things...I guess it’s easier when there’s a common enemy..Now, we just eat our own...that’s why we’ll lose this Country. Republicans cannot see the big picture. Newt did, but we let them bring him down and then we deserted him. That’s what we do...we bury our wounded...Libs knight theirs until that’s all people remember.
You’re back pedaling now and you know it. If radical Islam wasn’t on the warpath in the ‘90s then I don’t know what you would call all that. I didn’t list the thousands of other attacks that didn’t get media attention.
While that is probably a very true statement, the fact is the majority of Americans are not obsessing about the issue for the elections. It will not be at the top of the agenda for which the majority vote. Just a fact IMO.
***What about the majority of republicans? This is a big issue for millions of socon voters, which is a solidly republican voting bloc.
Jim, why are you being so childish? It’s really unseemly...it’s not the man I remember.
Wow you sure don’t know much, Muslims have been attacking and killing Americans and our soldiers for many years. Look it up on the internet, the list is long but you can learn something.
It's ridiculous to think Hillary will win against any Republican.
The pursuit of LIFE, liberty and happiness.
Murder is murder. It does not matter if the human life is outside of the womb or inside.
God expects more of you sir
God also expects persons to be compassionate, so perhaps God expects more of YOU, sir, and perhaps he will keep you from the kind of suffering that the poster to whom you are responding had to endure. One of the impossibly grating things about some wings of the pro-life movement is its strong preference for the life of the child over the life of the mother. Hard cases, like Shady's, may make bad law, as the axiom goes, but in any event, some compassion from you, instead of harrassing, is in order.
That statement is absurd. Abortion to save the life of the mother was legal in all fifty states before Roe v. Wade.
Abortion to save the life of the mother was legal in all fifty states before Roe v. Wade.
***I didn’t know that. Bookmark.
“And shame on you for planning and scheming to vote for a murderer of helpless innocent babies.”
I consider those who sit on the sidelines or use the excuse of “states rights” to defend their inaction just as guilty. Taking of an innocent human life isn’t a medical proceedure like having a hangnail removed.
The unborn deserve the same RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS guaranteed by the US Constitution as those who are born should have.
Since Roe v. Wade came along, it’s no longer a “states rights” issue...the courts have already taken it out of their hands. That can never be used as an excuse for inaction on the issue of life.
Candidates who consistently stick up for protection of the unborn are the only ones worthy of the nomination and anything less is totally unacceptable.
Why the drop after 1960? (in deaths of women from illegal abortions)
The reasons were new and better antibiotics, better surgery and the establishment of intensive care units in hospitals. This was in the face of a rising population. Between 1967 and 1970 sixteen states legalized abortion. In most it was limited, only for rape, incest and severe fetal handicap (life of mother was legal in all states). There were two big exceptions California in 1967, and New York in 1970 allowed abortion on demand. Now look at the chart carefully.
Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)
· 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing
· 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby
· 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child
· 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy)
· 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career
· 7.9% of women want no (more) children
· 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health
2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health
So how many womens lives have been saved by abortion?
Only about 3% of abortions since 1972 were reported to be due to a risk to maternal health. A reasonable person would recognize that not all of those cases represent a lethal risk. But lets say they did. That means that nearly 45 million fetuses were butchered to save the lives of about 1.3 million women. Or put another way; 35 babies are killed to save each woman.
Abortion was legal in all 50 states prior to Roe v. Wade in cases of danger to the life of the woman.
It's amazing that you don't see that Guiliani is the worst possible candidate. First, he can't possibly win. His lack of support among conservative Republicans dooms his candidacy from the start. Second, If he were to win the nomination, the loss of the presidency would be overshadowed by the destruction of the Republican party, the only thing standing between total liberal Democrat control of our Country. Nominating a candidate who goes against not just a few but almost every principle of the Republican party would be a demonstration to everyone that Republicans stand for nothing. Such a party could not continue to exist as any effective form of opposition to the Democrats.
I think the fear of Hillary and the Democrats is overdone. Unless Democrats win overwhelming majorities in the House and the Senate, even Hillary will have a hard time getting her more radical ideas put into law.
The result of nominating Guilinai would be catastrophic. Hillary would be the next president for sure. Hillary would be bad for the Country, yes. The destruction of the only party that can effectively oppose the march towards liberalism would be worse.
I never once mentioned Fred, so you may want to cool it on the assumptions.
"No way Romney could win a general election."
Actually he could, and so could most of the other GOP candidates as well. So why vote for the most liberal one of the bunch (Rudy) in the primaries? The "only Rudy can beat Hillary" canard isn't flying, Hildy.
I see. So comparisons with Hitler’s ordering the murder of 6 million Jewish Europeans and pro-abortion politicians active working for the murder of 44 million plus American children (not to mention that millions upon millions of foreign abortions that they would like to fund) are not fair game.
Then you, sir/maam, do not get the issue.
These are human lives. Both Rudy and Hillary are just fine with allowing this holocaust of the womb to take place. They may not order it like Hitler did, but by their policies they do nothing to stop it and by their words and votes they support it. That, is murder, and short of comparing it to Hitler or Stalin we simply have NO FRAME OF REFERENCE in modern times to speak of the scope of this tragedy. It is not ‘absurd’. It is a very logical comparison between two cultures who did not value life.
I agree that life is an important issue, but if it's the only issue, then a lot of people around here may as well team up with radical Islam, which also prohibits abortion. If you stay home, should Rudy Guiliani become the Repub candidate, you're helping to take us pretty far down the road to wearing burkas and praying toward Mecca.
“The decision overturned all state and federal laws outlawing or restricting abortion that were inconsistent with its holdings.”
Check this link, too.
“As a result, the laws of 46 states were affected by the Court’s ruling.”
You must be young, TigersEye.
I remember the day we went from being a pro-life country,
to being a pro-choice country...all at the hands of the...
Men In Black.
God fearing people will vote for Rudy over Hillary. But the numer of socons that won’t vote for him will be more than made up with moderate dems, the ones who will decide this election. So...do what you want.