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NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE
Free Republic post ^ | 10/20/2007 | by ex-snook

Posted on 10/20/2007 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

"I speak for at least half the people here, including the Founder Jim Robinson, who has stated he will not vote for Giuliani under any circumstance."

Agree.

NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIFE

Don't Cut and Run, vote pro-life every time. It's the way you always win.

‘We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life — the unborn — without diminishing the value of all human life.’ —Ronald Reagan


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; elections; electionsgiuliani; giuliani; moralabsolutes; prolife; rudy; wordup
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To: mdittmar

Scripture says the reverential fear/awe of The Lord

is the BEGINNING

OF WISDOM.


551 posted on 10/20/2007 9:19:46 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: P-Marlowe

A vote for Rudy in the primaries is a vote for Hillary in the General election. Keep that in mind before you vote in the primaries. If Rudy is the nominee, then I will not vote for president next November. I will work towards getting a conservative Senate and Congress to keep the Hildebeast at bay. This is one issue we cannot capitulate on.

= = =

AGREED


552 posted on 10/20/2007 9:24:03 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Minipax

“Anyone who believes that it is ok to murder the unborn is irredeemable in my eyes.”

That’s a very good way to put it. Consider yourself plagiarized.


553 posted on 10/20/2007 9:33:11 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rudy is a constitution trampling, gun grabbing, illegal alien supporting, gay rights activist abortionist liberal. No thank you. No man who praises Margaret Sanger, NARAL, and Plannned Parenthood, or marches in Gay Day parades, or sets up sanctuary cities for illegal aliens, or sues gun manufacturers as part of his unconstitutional fight for gun control, or sues the president to stop him from using the line item veto to save taxpayer dollars will ever receive my vote. He IS the domestic enemy.

= = =

imho, to put it mildly . . .

he’s also a ruthless globalist committed stooge of the world government oligarchy. And their Constitution shredding ruthlessness knows no bounds.


554 posted on 10/20/2007 9:34:02 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: BenLurkin

Well said. Primaries are the place to settle this. Any Republican is better than Hillery. Shame on those who can’t figure that out.


555 posted on 10/20/2007 9:35:51 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: Perfesser

Between Hillary and Rudy? I don’t see a difference.

= = =

I see a slight one . . .

Shrillery would rush us into the world government at the speed of light with all their bells and whistles she could throw at the hapless serfs.

Rudy would take the bullet train or maybe a fast jet to get there and throw the ruthlessness at us in smaller chunks . . .

MAYBE.


556 posted on 10/20/2007 9:38:24 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: anymouse

And shame on you for planning and scheming to vote for a murderer of helpless innocent babies.


557 posted on 10/20/2007 9:40:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I agree 100% I will not compromise on life for Rudy. If the GOP selects Rudy in the primaries, they are tossing the election to Hillary. Voting for Rudy will end up swinging the entire GOP left. We already have one party left of center. We don’t need two. I know the MSM, country clubers, and liberals would love to have two parties left of center. We have to work to make sure that doesn’t happen. At least if the Beast wins, the party will realize they can’t win without conservatives and slide back to the right.


558 posted on 10/20/2007 9:42:14 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Duncan Hunter 2008 - Protecting and Restoring America)
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To: Das Outsider

I think heart-felt prayer and fasting by earnest Christians can do a lot more than letter writing and other forms of activism—though they are quite certainly important, too.


559 posted on 10/20/2007 9:43:38 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Jim Robinson; anymouse
It's pretty hard to defend murdered human beings against terrorism.
560 posted on 10/20/2007 9:48:45 PM PDT by unspun (We are still in the end times.)
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To: Perfesser
Aha. So that's what we're getting down to. Rudy is worse than Hillary. You, I am afraid, have gone over the edge.

Not at all. I recognize the trainwreck that Rudi is: a genuine endorsed and funded NARAL Champion Of Choice™. You can't say that about even Hitlery. Even she hasn't been that radical.

And I still don't believe the Brady Bill and the AWB could have passed without Rudy's help. The Xlintons themselves gave him public credit as the key supporter of their gungrabbing efforts. And Rudi went on to try to abuse the courts and harass gun manufacturers, leading our GOP Congress to pass bills to protect gun manufacturers. Protect them from whom? From Rudi and his protege, Bloomberg. And Rudi is a well-known hater of the Religious Right and can scarcely conceal his contempt for us.

Let's look at GOA's summary:

In 1993, before even being sworn in as mayor, Giuliani met with then-President Clinton at the White House to discuss national gun registration. Giuliani supported the Brady bill, which had recently passed, but argued that it didn't go far enough.

The President, largely crediting Giuliani for the idea, enthusiastically sent Attorney General Janet Reno off to develop a gun licensing and registration system.

The Clinton-Giuliani scheme was slowed only by the Republican Revolution of 1994.

Rudy Giuliani -- GOA 2008 Presidential Candidates and the Second Amendment
GOA's summary is absolutely devastating. You cannot be a friend of the Second and still support him. It's simply not possible if you have any honesty at all.

You can have him. Or Hitlery. Doesn't matter. But the menace he poses to the pro-life cause and his status as a genuine enemy of the Second cannot be erased by waving a Fear Of Hitlery banner under our noses.

Based on their past records in public life, Hitlery is a menace to health care. But Rudi will destroy the pro-life movement and the Second Amendment.

Be careful what you cuddle up with. I don't plan on supporting either one because Hitlery and Rudi are the exact same candidate. Except Rudi may be the more dangerous of the two, judging by their actual performance in office.
561 posted on 10/20/2007 9:59:55 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: Soul Seeker

“the answer is to defeat the RINO in the primary. Not talk up how you’d be willing to vote for any Republican if it comes to it. that kind of talk just encourages the GOP to believe they can nominate Rudy and experience no fall back. rudy’s numbers in the past week have been falling precisely because people have drawn a line in the sand saying they would NEVER vote for him, and that’s causing the people who think he’s so damn electable to reconsider their support of him in the primary.”

Finally some truth comes out. You’re not really having a frank conversation with your peers about a difficult scenario in a general election as much as you are selling the concept out of fear that many of the rest of us just aren’t smart enough. Sounds like the Democrat position that the general population simply isn’t smart enough. I would expect a bit more faith or credit for our intelligence. It may be a difficult scenario in the general election (this is way too early to say but it could be) and I find it shocking how many people here say they would rather see Hillary than vote for a RINO. Amazing. Hopefully this is all moot and the primaries will yield a solid candidate.


562 posted on 10/20/2007 10:10:39 PM PDT by Bogeygolfer
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To: jazusamo

Good to see you here on a Pro Life thread.


563 posted on 10/20/2007 10:14:42 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: BenLurkin
Although the Republican party has strayed far from conservative principals, it is still to be preferred to the Democrat party

How much longer will it be proffered if the Republican party keeps giving up on core principals?

564 posted on 10/20/2007 10:18:19 PM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Pro-Life

BUMP!

565 posted on 10/20/2007 10:22:00 PM PDT by TNPatriot (No arsenal ... is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. -RR)
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To: wagglebee; Jim Robinson

The importance of leaders standing up for the unborn is exemplified by the reaction to this thread posted by J.R.

Without our Military, we will be destroyed by the enemy outside our borders. Without our morals and respect for the unborn, we will destroy our children and destroy ourselves from within.

What love can an adult provide a newborn that it cannot provide the unborn?


566 posted on 10/20/2007 10:31:08 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: DevSix; wagglebee
as president he would try to get the American taxpayers for them.

Show me where he said this? Or has suggested he would try and make abortions federal paid for again. I don't buy this whatsoever.

Copy this link and past it into your browser and watch him say it with his own mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZe1j4csMq8

567 posted on 10/20/2007 10:32:29 PM PDT by Doofer (Fred Dalton Thompson For President)
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To: mike h

Gonna go fishing if that’s the choice .... have a nice day.


568 posted on 10/20/2007 10:33:10 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright (An oath is FOREVER)
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To: anymouse
"Well said. Primaries are the place to settle this. Any Republican is better than Hillery. Shame on those who can’t figure that out."

Shame on anyone who decides to vote against their conscience and supports an Abortionist, pro-gay rights, and anti 2nd amendment candidate like Rudy!

Shame on anyone who votes for the man who if he became President, would destroy the Republican Party!
569 posted on 10/20/2007 10:36:57 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Jim Robinson

Now stop that. I am not PROUDLY pro-abortion. I wish there were no abortions...BUT I LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD. And it will never be outlawed here. I want it hard to get, parental notification, waiting periods, counseling..etc. But totally illegal...no.


570 posted on 10/20/2007 10:40:11 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
We survived 8 years of Slick, didn't we? This without the blogs, Internet, FR, etc.

We had a Republican Congress and Muslims who weren't blatantly on the warpath during those 8 years. And what has happened with all these blogs, the internet and your beloved FR? We had a Democrat takeover and a country that has turned FURTHER to the left. The internet doesn't just veer to the right, in case you haven't noticed..

571 posted on 10/20/2007 10:44:01 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: wagglebee

How old are you? Be honest.


572 posted on 10/20/2007 10:45:16 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy

Which means you’re an abortionist and proud of it. No wonder you support an abortionist for president. Giulani used to start out his speeches with “I am a pro-choice Republican.” Wonder why he doesn’t do that anymore?


573 posted on 10/20/2007 10:46:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Lazarus Longer

God help us if Fred is nominated...he is incompetant to run for President...it’s amazing that you don’t see that. No way Romney could win a general election. Have fun watching Hillary Clinton give the State of the Union Address with Bill and Chelsea sitting in the balcony.


574 posted on 10/20/2007 10:47:26 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: SoConPubbie

Shame on anyone who votes for the man who if he became President, would destroy the Republican Party!
***Tootyfruityrudy actually has the potential to destroy the Republican Party even if he is just nominated, let alone if he became president.


575 posted on 10/20/2007 10:49:31 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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To: wagglebee
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity (all of the offspring of a given progenitor), do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
576 posted on 10/20/2007 10:50:50 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I'd rather raise grandkids than put a contract out on 'em. I guess that's just one difference between me and Rudy--one of many.

There can be no rights without life itself.

577 posted on 10/20/2007 10:51:30 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: shrinkermd

I find their arguments, explanations and insults just childish.


578 posted on 10/20/2007 10:52:01 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy
...and Muslims who weren't blatantly on the warpath during those 8 years.

What? 1st WTC bombing. Two embassy bombings. Khobar Towers bombing. Kosovar Muslims in Serbia. USS Cole bombing. CIA employee shot down right outside Quantico, VA headquarters. Murrah building in OKC.

579 posted on 10/20/2007 10:52:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: Hildy
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580 posted on 10/20/2007 10:59:03 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: TigersEye

It’s different NOW, and you know it.


581 posted on 10/20/2007 10:59:23 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you, I agree and have always felt this way.


582 posted on 10/20/2007 10:59:36 PM PDT by Brandie (Duncan Hunter in 08' Islam is a Death Cult, is that simple enough to understand!)
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To: Jim Robinson

A person of your stature who stands on principle is rare these days. You are an example and an encouragement.


583 posted on 10/20/2007 11:01:00 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

I’ve been here 10 years longer than you..back when we were all fighting for the same things...I guess it’s easier when there’s a common enemy..Now, we just eat our own...that’s why we’ll lose this Country. Republicans cannot see the big picture. Newt did, but we let them bring him down and then we deserted him. That’s what we do...we bury our wounded...Libs knight theirs until that’s all people remember.


584 posted on 10/20/2007 11:02:49 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy

You’re back pedaling now and you know it. If radical Islam wasn’t on the warpath in the ‘90s then I don’t know what you would call all that. I didn’t list the thousands of other attacks that didn’t get media attention.


585 posted on 10/20/2007 11:03:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: Hattie

While that is probably a very true statement, the fact is the majority of Americans are not obsessing about the issue for the elections. It will not be at the top of the agenda for which the majority vote. Just a fact IMO.
***What about the majority of republicans? This is a big issue for millions of socon voters, which is a solidly republican voting bloc.


586 posted on 10/20/2007 11:04:31 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, why are you being so childish? It’s really unseemly...it’s not the man I remember.


587 posted on 10/20/2007 11:06:07 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Hildy

Wow you sure don’t know much, Muslims have been attacking and killing Americans and our soldiers for many years. Look it up on the internet, the list is long but you can learn something.


588 posted on 10/20/2007 11:06:16 PM PDT by Brandie (Duncan Hunter in 08' Islam is a Death Cult, is that simple enough to understand!)
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To: Hildy
Here is the big picture. If Hillary wins Republicans might actually oppose some of what she wants. If Rudy wins the Republicans will help him do what Hillary would do if she had won.

It's ridiculous to think Hillary will win against any Republican.

589 posted on 10/20/2007 11:06:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: SoConPubbie; Shady

The pursuit of LIFE, liberty and happiness.

Murder is murder. It does not matter if the human life is outside of the womb or inside.

God expects more of you sir

God also expects persons to be compassionate, so perhaps God expects more of YOU, sir, and perhaps he will keep you from the kind of suffering that the poster to whom you are responding had to endure. One of the impossibly grating things about some wings of the pro-life movement is its strong preference for the life of the child over the life of the mother. Hard cases, like Shady's, may make bad law, as the axiom goes, but in any event, some compassion from you, instead of harrassing, is in order.

590 posted on 10/20/2007 11:06:54 PM PDT by cammie
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To: cammie
One of the impossibly grating things about some wings of the pro-life movement is its strong preference for the life of the child over the life of the mother.

That statement is absurd. Abortion to save the life of the mother was legal in all fifty states before Roe v. Wade.

591 posted on 10/20/2007 11:10:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: TigersEye

Abortion to save the life of the mother was legal in all fifty states before Roe v. Wade.
***I didn’t know that. Bookmark.


592 posted on 10/20/2007 11:14:34 PM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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To: Jim Robinson; All

“And shame on you for planning and scheming to vote for a murderer of helpless innocent babies.”

I consider those who sit on the sidelines or use the excuse of “states rights” to defend their inaction just as guilty. Taking of an innocent human life isn’t a medical proceedure like having a hangnail removed.

The unborn deserve the same RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS guaranteed by the US Constitution as those who are born should have.

Since Roe v. Wade came along, it’s no longer a “states rights” issue...the courts have already taken it out of their hands. That can never be used as an excuse for inaction on the issue of life.

Candidates who consistently stick up for protection of the unborn are the only ones worthy of the nomination and anything less is totally unacceptable.


593 posted on 10/20/2007 11:15:55 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Rudy McRomneyson = KENNEDY wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Kevmo
Here's a real keeper.

Abortion is not about saving women’s lives!

Studies Find Abortions Have Long-Term Effects

45,951,133

Total Abortions since 1973

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Why the drop after 1960? (in deaths of women from illegal abortions)

The reasons were new and better antibiotics, better surgery and the establishment of intensive care units in hospitals. This was in the face of a rising population. Between 1967 and 1970 sixteen states legalized abortion. In most it was limited, only for rape, incest and severe fetal handicap (life of mother was legal in all states). There were two big exceptions — California in 1967, and New York in 1970 allowed abortion on demand. Now look at the chart carefully.

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Abortion Statistics - Decision to Have an Abortion (U.S.)

· 25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing

· 21.3% of women cannot afford a baby

· 14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child

· 12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy)

· 10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career

· 7.9% of women want no (more) children

· 3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health

2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health

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So how many women’s lives have been saved by abortion?

Only about 3% of abortions since 1972 were reported to be “due to a risk to maternal health.” A reasonable person would recognize that not all of those cases represent a lethal risk. But let’s say they did. That means that nearly 45 million fetuses were butchered to save the lives of about 1.3 million women. Or put another way; 35 babies are killed to save each woman.

Abortion was legal in all 50 states prior to Roe v. Wade in cases of danger to the life of the woman.

Roe v Wade: FULL Text (The Decision that wiped out an entire Generation 33 years ago today)

594 posted on 10/20/2007 11:19:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (Intellectuals only exist if you think they do.)
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To: Hildy
God help us if Fred is nominated...he is incompetant to run for President...it’s amazing that you don’t see that.

It's amazing that you don't see that Guiliani is the worst possible candidate. First, he can't possibly win. His lack of support among conservative Republicans dooms his candidacy from the start. Second, If he were to win the nomination, the loss of the presidency would be overshadowed by the destruction of the Republican party, the only thing standing between total liberal Democrat control of our Country. Nominating a candidate who goes against not just a few but almost every principle of the Republican party would be a demonstration to everyone that Republicans stand for nothing. Such a party could not continue to exist as any effective form of opposition to the Democrats.

I think the fear of Hillary and the Democrats is overdone. Unless Democrats win overwhelming majorities in the House and the Senate, even Hillary will have a hard time getting her more radical ideas put into law.

The result of nominating Guilinai would be catastrophic. Hillary would be the next president for sure. Hillary would be bad for the Country, yes. The destruction of the only party that can effectively oppose the march towards liberalism would be worse.

595 posted on 10/20/2007 11:21:54 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Hildy
"God help us if Fred is nominated...he is incompetant to run for President...it’s amazing that you don’t see that."

I never once mentioned Fred, so you may want to cool it on the assumptions.

"No way Romney could win a general election."

Actually he could, and so could most of the other GOP candidates as well. So why vote for the most liberal one of the bunch (Rudy) in the primaries? The "only Rudy can beat Hillary" canard isn't flying, Hildy.

596 posted on 10/20/2007 11:22:15 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (My other Telecaster is a Thinline)
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To: finnman69

I see. So comparisons with Hitler’s ordering the murder of 6 million Jewish Europeans and pro-abortion politicians active working for the murder of 44 million plus American children (not to mention that millions upon millions of foreign abortions that they would like to fund) are not fair game.

Then you, sir/maam, do not get the issue.

These are human lives. Both Rudy and Hillary are just fine with allowing this holocaust of the womb to take place. They may not order it like Hitler did, but by their policies they do nothing to stop it and by their words and votes they support it. That, is murder, and short of comparing it to Hitler or Stalin we simply have NO FRAME OF REFERENCE in modern times to speak of the scope of this tragedy. It is not ‘absurd’. It is a very logical comparison between two cultures who did not value life.


597 posted on 10/20/2007 11:23:58 PM PDT by Blogger (Propheteuon.com)
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To: thepresidentsbestfriend
As far as I am concerned, Life is the only issue. That means NO RUDY!!!!

I agree that life is an important issue, but if it's the only issue, then a lot of people around here may as well team up with radical Islam, which also prohibits abortion. If you stay home, should Rudy Guiliani become the Repub candidate, you're helping to take us pretty far down the road to wearing burkas and praying toward Mecca.

598 posted on 10/20/2007 11:24:11 PM PDT by cammie
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To: TigersEye; Kevmo

Wiki sez...

“The decision overturned all state and federal laws outlawing or restricting abortion that were inconsistent with its holdings.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade

Check this link, too.

“As a result, the laws of 46 states were affected by the Court’s ruling.”

http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1971/1971_70_18/

You must be young, TigersEye.
I remember the day we went from being a pro-life country,
to being a pro-choice country...all at the hands of the...

Men In Black.


599 posted on 10/20/2007 11:24:24 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Prokopton

God fearing people will vote for Rudy over Hillary. But the numer of socons that won’t vote for him will be more than made up with moderate dems, the ones who will decide this election. So...do what you want.


600 posted on 10/20/2007 11:25:36 PM PDT by Hildy
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