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Ron Paul raises $9 million in 2 months
Seattle Times ^ | 11/23/07

Posted on 11/24/2007 9:22:29 AM PST by traviskicks

In another sign of Rep. Ron Paul's online fundraising prowess, the Republican presidential candidate from Texas said in a TV interview Friday that he has raised more than $9 million during the past two months and expects to raise a total of at least $12 million for the fourth quarter.

Paul, speaking on Bloomberg Television's "Political Capital with Al Hunt," said he considers his recent fundraising success "astounding."

He added that his campaign plans another "special" fundraising day Dec. 16. On Nov. 5, Paul supporters raised $4.3 million, one of the biggest single-day showings of any candidate in history.

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To: Iwo Jima; AuntB
Your attempts to smear Ron Paul are becoming more and more desperate. Why?

It's cause AuntB's boy Hunter is going nowhere fast.

BTW AuntB, did you ever figure out how Hunter could have been a Ranger combat vet in Vietnam, and never earned a Combat Infantry Badge?

51 posted on 11/24/2007 11:10:03 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: AuntB

Wake up America ~ before it’s too late!!


52 posted on 11/24/2007 11:13:23 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
"Ron Paul will not “win” in the traditional sense (ie getting sworn into office as POTUS) but he can score a bigger win by slapping statists and populists in the GOP around for amusement."


He could also inspire a movement promoting limited government ala Barry Goldwater.
53 posted on 11/24/2007 11:13:26 AM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; pissant; Calpernia; RasterMaster; Jim Robinson; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; All

Calvanist says, “
BTW AuntB, did you ever figure out how Hunter could have been a Ranger combat vet in Vietnam, and never earned a Combat Infantry Badge?”

That’s it, throw out some more nonsense that you dreamed up about Hunter. Down in the gutter with the democrats today or are you the same disruptor who pulled this on another forum? No one else has ever been silly enough to question Hunter’s military record.

If you have something to slam Hunter on his service record, let’s see it or stop with your made up attacks. There’s nothing to show you and you know it. How’s your guys record?
Just keep slamming our military and people like Duncan Hunter who fought so you can be a keyboard coward throwing out your garbage.

I have a photo here of Hunter with his 173rd Airbone C Ranger 75 group in his uniform. Hunter has nothing to hide.
I would say shame on you, but you obviously have no shame.


54 posted on 11/24/2007 11:20:28 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: captnorb

If Ron Paul is a liberal RINO, isn’t it GOOD to have him in the primary? If he really is a liberal RINO, he should mostly be drawing votes away from other liberal RINOs, helping the “true conservatives.”

The reality is that the rank and file got suckered by the most liberal President this country has had since LBJ. But rather than admit that we got duped, many folks are trying to convince everyone that up is down, left is right and spending tax money like a drunken Kennedy is “conservative.”

And THAT is why a third-tier candidate with zero chance of the nomination is the top target of Freepers. Nobody with the slightest understanding of politics is worried about Ron Paul actually winning the nomination. People ARE worried about him getting Republicans to ask questions, though. They are worried that Ron Paul might expose the fact that the GOP has almost literally stolen the Dems play book for the last 7 years.


55 posted on 11/24/2007 11:30:59 AM PST by lgwdnbdgr
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

Another Ron Paul fruit cake, now I see where you’re coming from.

Wave that white flag! Praise the Muslims! Vote for MFN for China and Do nothing about securing the borders, which is probably just what you want. Why are you even on a conservative forum?

Here’s a nice spot for you, they LOVE Ron Paul, too and you won’t find anyone there who will fight to defend this country as Duncan Hunter has.

http://muslimsvoteronpaul.com/

Why should YOU vote for Ron Paul?

Assalaamu Alaikum Brothers and Sisters,

You can help by sharing and sending this note to all the Muslims you know as well as by registering as a Republican and voting for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries in your state. Here’s why: Muslims and Americans have an unique window of opportunity for the 2008 election. There is a candidate running as a Republican that would work to completely cut off the funding to Israel, remove ALL US troops from Arab lands, and repeal the Patriot Act. He’s a Republican with Libertarian views named Ron Paul. Ron Paul’s policies ranging from monetary to foreign are top notch.

Till now Muslims and Americans have not had an American Presidential candidate that really suited their best interests. This election is unique in that we have a man running as a Republican that speaks the truth. Much of the our foreign policy in the Middle East has been influenced heavily by AIPAC, the pro-Israeli lobby, to the detriment of Muslims in the Middle East. As American Muslims, we are blessed to live in the US where we have the freedom to let our policymakers know how we feel about foreign policy; we may not have the power of an influential lobby but we do have the right to vote and every single vote counts. We know the current policies in the Middle East are failing, not only making it less safe in the world but hurting and killing innocent Muslims, which our media callously calls collateral damage. It is our duty as Muslims to follow the truth regardless of how futile it may seem. Ron Paul is the only candidate that does not seem to be swayed by the influential lobbies that the other candidates are catering to. .

Brothers and Sisters, please vote for Ron Paul in the Republican Primaries. It’s our obligation to come together and try to stand up for not only our best interests, but the best interests of the entire Ummah. Living here in the West, we are obligated to do so. Otherwise, we are partly to blame for all the actions our government takes in our name.

American Muslims must RISE and UNITE. Let your voice be heard. InshAllah (God-willing), we can spread the word and make a difference.


56 posted on 11/24/2007 11:33:40 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: lgwdnbdgr
They are worried that Ron Paul might expose the fact that the GOP has almost literally stolen the Dems play book for the last 7 years.

Ron Paul has voted more in line with the democrats than the republicans. His buddy is Dennis Kucinich.

57 posted on 11/24/2007 11:36:04 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Yeah, there has never been a politician that took money he shouldnt have.
Lets check addresses on the donations, I bet a lot of them are graveyards and ballfields.
Ron Paul is this eras Ross Perot. You split the GOP vote and you will have the Beast in the whitehouse. Then you wont ever have to worry about elections ever again.
Go ahead, vote for this boob. You can attend HRC victory party with a clear soul.


58 posted on 11/24/2007 11:48:48 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Please dont drag your filth into my swamp...........)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; All

You are not very trustworthy at all are you?

In another of your posts you say:

“Unlike the rest of these clowns, (with the notable exceptions of John McCain and Duncan Hunter), Ron Paul was in the Vietnam War. He put a few of those kids back together as much as was possible.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/1837379/posts

Now, this is what I find about Pauls military service....He was DRAFTED and NEVER served in Viet nam.

And you think someone will believe your made up crappola about Duncan Hunter?

“The training was soon interrupted when he was drafted into the U.S. Air Force during the Cuban Missile Crisis.[27] He remained in the military during the early years of the Vietnam War.[28] He served active duty as a flight surgeon from 1963 to 1965, attending to the ear, nose, and throat problems of pilots in South Korea, Iran, Ethiopia, and Turkey, but was never sent to Vietnam. Based out of Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio, Paul achieved the rank of captain[10][29] and obtained his private pilot’s license.[15] The experience of performing physicals on helicopter pilot candidates, at a time when he saw many copters being shot down, deeply affected Paul; he later considered his indirect association with the Vietnam War as a catalyst for his rejection of isolationist foreign policies and political intervention.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul


59 posted on 11/24/2007 11:49:02 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Iwo Jima; MNJohnnie
You “whine all the time” Paul-a-phobes must really be getting desperate.

Um...yeah. That's what it is.

60 posted on 11/24/2007 12:02:24 PM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: AuntB

The fact that “mere” congressman oppose Paul may be in his favor!


61 posted on 11/24/2007 12:03:23 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: captnorb

RINOs are precommitted to Rudy, and some will yet be tempted by HRC because they want to see a “woman president” in their “lifetimes”.


62 posted on 11/24/2007 12:04:12 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

> CORPORATE & FOREIGN DONATIONS ARE ILLEGAL, YOU TWIT!

Besides, all of those go to Hillary!


63 posted on 11/24/2007 12:08:39 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I found a RP flier on my car yesterday.

It does not mention him being prolife. It does, however, say that “he grows organic tomatoes and loves the land.”

“Authorized and paid for by Ron Paul 2008 PCC”

I guess they don’t want their followers to know he’s prolife.


64 posted on 11/24/2007 12:13:23 PM PST by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: Theodore R.
The fact that “mere” congressman oppose Paul may be in his favor!

Right......he won't need congress to get all that done that he says he can.....he'll need congress or he'll need martial law....which do you choose?

65 posted on 11/24/2007 12:26:39 PM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Iwo Jima
You “whine all the time” Paul-a-phobes must really be getting desperate

Interesting comment coming from a Freeper who has a history of racing around screaming "I'm not a Paulbot."

!st Thank you for finally admitting you have been lying about your orientation all the times you made that claim. Being honest is at least a start.

However, I also have to thank you for once again proving my point about you Paulbots.

First, If you are going to be stupid enough to plagiarize from a Freeper, don't post back to the person you are ripping off your plagiarism. That is just moronic.

Additionally, if you are incapable of actually forming a rational, coherent serious response to the point being made, it is by far best for you to maintain silence rather then expose yourself, as you did, as yet another idiot level intellect mindlessly worshiping the demagogic drivel that flows out of Der Paul's mouth.

Since you want to play, I will give you a chance to start rebuilding your seriously shattered intellectual credibility.

I will ask you the same question I have asked the rest of the Paul drones. Still waiting for an intellectually coherent, sane response from at least ONE of you.

No slogans, No sounds bits, no screaming bile at everyone who doesn't share your blind adoration of all things Paul, please explain how and what would a Paul Administration do anything?

See what you drones continually forget is you need OUR votes. We have no reason at all to support your god. So you actually have to convince enough skeptical, critical people to support your god to win. Screaming self congratulatory slogans or daily postings of these endless threads full of mindless slavish drivel about Der Paul isn't going to win you even one more vote.

HERE is an example of an answer a serious Presidential Candidate would give. Notice NONE of Paul’s answers ever fit this format. Instead they are all mindless sloganeering and/or bile filled ranting at everyone and everything. That may make the Paulbots break out in a fever of sexual excitement but it doesn't gain them even a single vote.

Slogans are not solutions. Electing a President is serious business and should not be treated like a high school popularity contest.

See to answer "how" Paul would have to be saying something like this below. The whole problem with him is his whole campaign is based on misdirection and emotional hysteria, not a serious rational discussion of the issues of the day.

Paul might be taken seriously by thinking people if he said something like this instead of merely spewing slogans.

On Federal Spending. Federal Spending is out of control. To put our fiscal house in order my Administration will work with the Congress to pass a Balanced Budget Amendment to the US Constitution. I will work with Congress to abolish base line budgeting, eliminate earmarks, impose strict pay as you go rules for new spending. In my 1st term, I will reduce the federal deficit to zero and return our Govt budget to surplus. To achieve that goal, I will impose a mandatory 2% increase cap on all executive agencies budgets, require a top to bottom review of all agency functions and work with the Congress to reduce or eliminate departments x-y-z.

That is just the 1st step. Serious budget reform can only take place when we reform both the tax code and the systems of entitlements we have created. There has been no serious Social Security or Medicare reform since the systems were created! Obvious a system that is 75 years old in one case, and 40 years old in the other are way over due for an overhaul.

To overhaul these systems I will introduce legislation to the Congress that will privatize the following parts of both the Medicare and Social Security systems...

That is an example of answers that tell us HOW a politician plans to do something. Nothing in PaulÂ’s campaign does any of this. All he does is spew reckless demagoguery based on Talk Radio culled slogans designed to push the emotional hot buttons of a certain fringe segments of the US population Too bad for them we don’t elect a President simply for spewing the best sounding rhetoric on this emotional hot button issue or that one. We elect a President on the base of his whole agenda.

66 posted on 11/24/2007 12:44:36 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Ever notice that liberals are fierce in stealing YOUR money, while never paying their “fair share")
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To: traviskicks

George Soros has mighty deep pockets.....


67 posted on 11/24/2007 12:45:39 PM PST by traditional1
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; AuntB

For shame on you Dark Lord! You are well named, but Calvanist? I dunno about that!

Duncan Hunter is the first to understate his deployment in Vietnam. He openly claims no fame for his service, though he did earn the Bronze Star for it. Where is your respect for his service, or have you none for those who put their lives in harms way for their country?


68 posted on 11/24/2007 1:12:01 PM PST by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Paperdoll

See post 59


69 posted on 11/24/2007 1:15:42 PM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: AuntB

As I understand it, Ron Paul never left the states during his stretch of service.


70 posted on 11/24/2007 1:16:03 PM PST by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: AuntB

So that’s where all his money is coming from! This should be broadcast to all the country! Thanks, AuntB, for that “appauling” link. I will give it to a few of my friends who are seriously considering Ron Paul.


71 posted on 11/24/2007 1:20:39 PM PST by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord; All

See my post #70.


72 posted on 11/24/2007 1:43:21 PM PST by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

Exactly, they don’t want people to know that Paul is pro-life and saw a late term abortion up close as an ob/gyn and was morally repulsed.

That’s why I keep telling FReepers here who don’t like Paul, if they want to derail him because they disagree with his foreign policy (ie, he doesn’t have one other than to not pay attention) they should point out his conservative right wing positions to these followers who they think are all leftists.


73 posted on 11/24/2007 2:43:49 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: AuntB
Ron Paul has voted more in line with the democrats than the republicans. His buddy is Dennis Kucinich.

AuntB, that is just not true. He has a lifetime rating of 83 from the American Conservative Union. Ron Paul ACU ratings

Granted some of his votes were headscratchers. He did vote against the fetal protection bill and the tort reform limits on medical malpractice awards.

74 posted on 11/24/2007 2:54:18 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: rob777
He could also inspire a movement promoting limited government ala Barry Goldwater.

Exactly. Maybe some of these young voters who have been indoctrinated into collectivism by public schools will get exposed to the idea of limited government for the first time in their lives.

75 posted on 11/24/2007 2:56:18 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I’ll stick by it, Eric, Paul votes more like a democrat than a republican. Not all the time, I didn’t say all the time, but enough to understand why he’s being supported by the left side of the spectrum.

20% of Republicans vote ‘present’ on Ramadan resolution (Paul votes YES)

Source: The Hill

“The resolution recognized “the Islamic faith as one of the great religions of the world,” rejected “hatred, bigotry and violence directed against Muslims, both in the United States and worldwide”

Votes here: http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.asp?year=2007&rollnumber=928

H CON RES 21 BILL TITLE: Calling on the United Nations Security Council to charge Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with violating the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide and the United Nations Charter because of his calls for the destruction of the State of Israel

Final Vote: 411 YEAS, 2 NAYS, 11 “PRESENT,” 8 NV.

Who are those two “nays?” None other than Congressmen Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich. H RES 548

H RES 557 BILL TITLE: Strongly condemning the United Nations Human Rights Council for ignoring severe human rights abuses in various countries, while choosing to unfairly target Israel by including it as the only country permanently placed on the Council’s agenda

Final Vote: 416 YEAS, 2 NAYS, 14 NV.

Who are those two “nays?” You guessed it–Congressmen Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich.

http://762justice.com/2007/10/29/more-reasons-to-not-vote-for-ron-paul/


76 posted on 11/24/2007 3:10:05 PM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: AuntB

Yeah, so are illegal aliens, which Paul was never strong against. Paul couldn’t even win the Texas Primary straw Poll. Duncan Hunter won it.


I wouldn’t put to much credence in a straw poll in which Hunter and Paul were two of the top three.....


77 posted on 11/24/2007 3:20:29 PM PST by deport (>>>--Iowa Caucuses .. 39 days and counting--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: ElkGroveDan
[Big Marijuana and other special interests?]
 
Big Marijuana?  If MJ was legalized, every pot head would be growing it in their garden and "Big Marijuana" wouldn't be so Big anymore.
 
Illegal drugs are enormously profitable precicely because they are illegal.
 
Paging Mr. Hasenfus, Mr. Eugene Hasenfus....

78 posted on 11/24/2007 3:36:07 PM PST by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; NapkinUser; DreamsofPolycarp; The_Eaglet; Irontank; Gamecock; elkfersupper; ..

Ron Paul campaign website

Ron's weekly message [5 minutes audio, every Monday]
PodcastWeekly archive • Toll-free 888-322-1414 •
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79 posted on 11/24/2007 3:45:32 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: AuntB

I just think that it’s pretty obvious that the left wingers who do support him do it for one obvious reason...he is an isolationist anti-war candidate. Some of the anti war moonbats are pretty upset with Shillary because she is committed to a US presence in Iraq until 2013. They know darn well that once the Dim nomination is sewed up she will take a hard right turn and become Hawkish on national defense and talk tough to appeal to the gen pop.

In Paul they see what they want in terms of immediate surrender.

They are apparently so one issue focused, they are willing to overlook his limited government ideology on the domestic front.


80 posted on 11/24/2007 3:46:14 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Paperdoll; George W. Bush

“As I understand it, Ron Paul never left the states during his stretch of service.” Not true.

A flight surgeon stationed in South Korea, Middle East, and Africa from 62-65. Did not receive order to go to Vietnam. I am sure a lot of pilots appreciated his services.


81 posted on 11/24/2007 4:01:24 PM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: George W. Bush

Thanks for the ping.

9.126 million plus dollars as of this post.


82 posted on 11/24/2007 4:05:18 PM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: traditional1; Paperdoll

During the last 4.3 million day drive over 30,000 people donated an average $103, so this Soros conspiracy stuff isn’t going to cut it.


83 posted on 11/24/2007 4:09:26 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: MNJohnnie; anyone

Is there any possibliity that he and his campaign could be lying about finances as a way of drumming up emotional support? I’m asking this because I have no idea how these things work in the US.


84 posted on 11/24/2007 4:20:15 PM PST by Albertafriend
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To: AuntB
Paul votes more like a democrat than a republican.

If true, that is a sadder reflection on the republicans than it is on Dr. Paul, since he restricts his "yes" votes to legislation which he believes is authorized by the Constitution.

“The resolution recognized “the Islamic faith as one of the great religions of the world,” rejected “hatred, bigotry and violence directed against Muslims, both in the United States and worldwide”

Are you suggesting that a good republican should be in favor of hatred, bigotry and violence?

85 posted on 11/24/2007 4:21:21 PM PST by MadameAxe (An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. ~ Victor Hugo)
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To: traviskicks

“30,000 people donated an average $103, so this Soros conspiracy stuff isn’t going to cut it.”

Just more useless scud fodder shot toward RP. Always misses the target, but they keep hurling the same crap. Too funny.


86 posted on 11/24/2007 4:21:30 PM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: Jaysun

How much of it is being funded by Big Marijuana and other special interests?

Big Marijuana?

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lol


87 posted on 11/24/2007 4:25:33 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: KenHorse

Well, Dean was a prolific spender of campaign money, too. I don’t think that applies to Paul.


88 posted on 11/24/2007 4:30:51 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“Exactly, they don’t want people to know that Paul is pro-life and saw a late term abortion up close as an ob/gyn and was morally repulsed.”

*********************************

Who wouldn’t be morally repulsed by a late term abortion. I haven’t seen it, but I surely believe the descriptions in literature.

Maybe all Democrats and Libertarians should be forced to watch a partial birth abortion.

See thats the difference. Some of us have faith, some have to see with their own eyes. Who would you rather have lead the country? Someone who has to see with their own eyes, or someone who can make a logical judgement on any situation by making effective judgements on 3rd person advisement?


89 posted on 11/24/2007 4:35:49 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: deport

“I wouldn’t put to much credence in a straw poll in which Hunter and Paul were two of the top three..... “

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They were earlier polls, in which people were more brave and ideological. Before the “Electability theory,” browbeat all the goats.


90 posted on 11/24/2007 4:37:22 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Albertafriend
Is there any possibliity that he and his campaign could be lying about finances as a way of drumming up emotional support? I’m asking this because I have no idea how these things work in the US

Why, is it routine to lie in Canada about such things?

91 posted on 11/24/2007 4:37:45 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: Hunterite

I think anyone who believes that Gubmint exists to protect life and liberty would be repulsed at the thought of sticking sharp objects into unborn children.

You don’t have to believe in Jesus, Moses, Muhammed, Vishnu or Buddha and be religious to see that. It’s not just a religious issue, although that is how the secular progressives paint it.


92 posted on 11/24/2007 4:40:49 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: steve86

“Why, is it routine to lie in Canada about such things?”

LOL.


93 posted on 11/24/2007 4:45:41 PM PST by rineaux (How dare you, how dare you question the Clinton's wrecked record.)
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To: MNJohnnie; Extremely Extreme Extremist
If Paul’s support is so broad based that it can raise this sort of money without tapping Soros type fat cats, how it that this supposed “wide spread” support is not being reflected in any of the polling data?

You got me Johnnie. George Soros sent me a check just last week. The reason the numbers are there are for several reasons I believe. A very small (300-600) number are polled. Most of them were registered Republican in the last big Republican push (2004). And very few of those people are supporting Dr. Paul. He is getting his support from people that either didn't vote in '04 or voted for another party.

But let's get to the heart of the matter shall we? What's really disturbing you is that Dr. Paul's funds aren't coming from the corners that Republicans usually get funds (big business, fat cats, etc.). What's really disturbing you is that there are more than a few old school conservatives out there who have sat on the sidelines while Tweedledee and Tweedledumber have fought over the government. What's really disturbing you is that support for Shrub has never really been there in the grassroots. The old conservatives who remember Goldwater, Reagan, etc.

What's really disturbing to you is that if Dr. Paul isn't the nominee most of them will sit at home again while Tweedledee and Tweedledumber argue over semantics of how they're going to grow the government. And as much as you scream, type in caps, call names, you can't change that. And that upsets you because perhaps your choice between the two equally irrelevant parties won't win. And no one cares anymore...

94 posted on 11/24/2007 4:56:10 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Hunterite

BTW, you assume incorrectly that libertarians believe in killing babies. A true libertarian understands that Gubmint’s function is to protect life and liberty....not to redistribute wealth, perform social engineering or legislate morality.

Abortion is a crime that violates the Constitution.


95 posted on 11/24/2007 4:59:50 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

BTW, you assume incorrectly that libertarians believe in killing babies. A true libertarian understands that Gubmint’s function is to protect life and liberty....not to redistribute wealth, perform social engineering or legislate morality.

Abortion is a crime that violates the Constitution.

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Official National Libertarian Party Platform

http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml#reprodright

“I.8 Reproductive Rights

The Issue: The tragedies caused by unplanned, unwanted pregnancies are aggravated and sometimes created by government policies of censorship, restriction, regulation and prohibition.
Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on both sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

The Principle: Individual rights should not be denied nor abridged on the basis of sex, age, dependency, or location. Taxpayers should not be forced to pay for other people’s abortions, nor should any government or individual force a woman to have an abortion. It is the right and obligation of the pregnant woman regardless of age, not the state, to decide the desirability or appropriateness of prenatal testing, Caesarean births, fetal surgery, voluntary surrogacy arrangements and/or home births.

Solutions: We oppose government actions that either compel or prohibit abortion, sterilization or any other form of birth control. Specifically we condemn the practice of forced sterilization of welfare recipients, or of mentally retarded or “genetically defective” individual. We support the voluntary exchange of goods, services or information regarding human sexuality, reproduction, birth control or related medical or biological technologies. We oppose government laws and policies that restrict the opportunity to choose alternatives to abortion.

Transitional Action: We support an end to all subsidies for childbearing or child prevention built into our present laws.”


96 posted on 11/24/2007 5:06:07 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: Hunterite
I've read the LP platform. You are correct that Libertarians in the sense of a party basically "punt" on the issue, wash their hands and take no position.

I'm talking about libertarians with a small l like myself and my adopted Grandfather.

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is. Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path".

--Ronald Reagan

Inside Ronald Reagan: A Reason Interview from July 1975

97 posted on 11/24/2007 5:11:42 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: traviskicks
"over 30,000 people donated an average $103, so this Soros conspiracy stuff isn’t going to cut it."

Fine: dishwashers for Paul, Car Washers for Paul, Homeless for Paul, GLBT'ers for Paul, etc, etc.....

We know how that works.

Paul is backed by the Lefties and Libertarians (both), and could only assure a Hildabeast victory.

The Loonie Left shows up at ALL the Paul rallies for a reason.....he's one of 'em!

98 posted on 11/24/2007 5:15:03 PM PST by traditional1
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To: lgwdnbdgr
****And THAT is why a third-tier candidate with zero chance of the nomination is the top target of Freepers. Nobody with the slightest understanding of politics is worried about Ron Paul actually winning the nomination. People ARE worried about him getting Republicans to ask questions, though. They are worried that Ron Paul might expose the fact that the GOP has almost literally stolen the Dems play book for the last 7 years.***

I wouldn’t say Ron Paul has no chance. I put his current chances at about 10-20 to 1. Primaries, tradionally, have low turn outs. Ron Paul is going to get upwards of 80% of his supporters to the polls, giving him a big edge verses the polls.

After Iowa and NH, we will probably have 5 candidates still running. Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee(but with almost no money), Thompson and Paul. If Thompson doesn’t come in first or second in S. Car., he will probably quit. The more candidates left in the race for super Tuesday, the better it will be for Ron Paul. He will concentrate his resources on the open and semi open primaries and hope to squeak through in one or two of the closed primaries.

The intensity of Ron Paul supporters might be able to carry him in a 3-4 way race.

A decent showing in Iowa and a good showing in NH will bring many more millions into Ron Pual’s campaign. It will allow him to go the distance.

99 posted on 11/24/2007 6:22:25 PM PST by jmeagan (Our last chance to change the direction of the country -- Ron Paul)
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To: AuntB

Go Ron go! You exemplify everything that was intented for a place called America! Something Canadians should look to, and mimic.


100 posted on 11/24/2007 6:46:08 PM PST by Stevieboy
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