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IS THE NEW YORK TIMES READY TO THROW HILLARY UNDER THE BUS?
1 December 2007 | vanity

Posted on 12/01/2007 7:52:20 PM PST by shrinkermd

Both Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd have columns today.

Rich has little to say about the Iraq War. He stresses Obama opposed it and Hillary did not. Presumably, this is enough for Frank Rich and Pinch to switch sides.

Here is a quote from Rich:

”…But much like the Clinton campaign itself, the Republicans have fallen into a trap by continuing to cling to the Hillary-is-inevitable trope. They have not allowed themselves to think the unthinkable — that they might need a Plan B to go up against a candidate who is not she. It’s far from clear that they would remotely know how to construct a Plan B to counter Mr. Obama. The repeated attempts to fan “rumors” that he is a madrassa-indoctrinated Muslim — whether on Fox News or in The Washington Post, where they resurfaced scurrilously on the front page on Thursday — are too demonstrably false to survive endless reruns even in the Swift-boating era…”

Rich’s article is Who’s Afraid of Barack Obama?

Maureen has a softer and more balanced approach but here is a choice quote of hers:

…Except for panicked Clintonistas, everyone seems eager to see if the young pol can live up to his potential. Responding to his more combative style, the press has relaunched him, giving him a second chance to shine, on this week’s cover of Time, in the pages of The New Yorker, in the up arrow of Newsweek, which now declares him “poised to be the comeback kid,” and at The Times, where young female assistants lined the halls on Wednesday to watch him glide into a second meeting with editorial board writers and editors…

Maureen’s article is O Brother, Where Art Thou?

This is a dramatic change on the part of the NYT. Even if it is brief, they seem to be acquiescing to the idea the Iraq War is going well and progress is being made. Seemingly, now they and others in the dominant media see it is time to think of someone other than Hillary..

For us it makes little difference who their candidate is. What is more and more important is new and novel leadership from our candidates with an ever increasing stress on what can be done not what has been done.

It is also time for our presidential candidates to cease the ad hominems and cheap shots at their opponents. Further, many and perhaps most voters in 2008 will have been born after 1980. This means the Cold War, Viet Nam and JFK are historical not personal remembrances. What is more and more important is we need new and novel leadership from our candidates. The election is about the future--what can be done not outweighs what has been done . This group of younger voters needs and deserves a positive, forward looking approach. Failure to grasp this will result in our failure.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2008; dowd; hillary; negatives; nyt; obama; rich
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1 posted on 12/01/2007 7:52:24 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
The libs will abandon Hillary in a heartbeat for someone more electable. In 2004, they abandoned the anointed Howard Dean for John Kerry. They may do the same next year for Barack Obama and leave Hillary behind in the dust.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 12/01/2007 7:56:48 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: shrinkermd
Further, many and perhaps most voters in 2008 will have been born after 1980.

No way. Older people still vote in far greater numbers than young people.

3 posted on 12/01/2007 7:57:08 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: shrinkermd
" IS THE NEW YORK TIMES READY TO THROW HILLARY UNDER THE BUS"?

[[raising hand]]

i will!!!

4 posted on 12/01/2007 7:57:21 PM PST by robomatik
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To: GATOR NAVY
Ha ha ha ha... Hillary can count on the seasoned citizen vote for sure.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 12/01/2007 7:58:05 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: shrinkermd

Doubt it...just wishful thinkin’ by the loons.


6 posted on 12/01/2007 7:59:01 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: goldstategop
The libs will abandon Hillary in a heartbeat for someone more electable

That person is defnitely not Barack Obama. Anyone who thinks that must be on Smack. He's a lefty lefty with almost no track record. That would be a dream come true, to me, to see him nominated.

7 posted on 12/01/2007 7:59:54 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: shrinkermd
The left’s fawning over that unqualified empty suit is inexplicable, except that they know he would be putty in the hands of whoever gets hold of him first. I am more qualified to be president, and that ain’t saying much!
8 posted on 12/01/2007 8:00:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: shrinkermd
IS THE NEW YORK TIMES READY TO THROW HILLARY UNDER THE BUS?

I would be very surprised.

9 posted on 12/01/2007 8:01:02 PM PST by the invisib1e hand
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To: shrinkermd

Hillary has never felt more confident!

10 posted on 12/01/2007 8:02:24 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: shrinkermd

11 posted on 12/01/2007 8:03:00 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

Why the photo of Katherine Zeta Jones?


12 posted on 12/01/2007 8:07:12 PM PST by SatinDoll
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To: shrinkermd

I know quite a few libs and NONE of them LIKE Hillary.

I think her momentum has come from the fact that they LOVE Bill and HATE Bush.

In conversations with these libs (they know I’m conservative) they don’t even try to defend her to me.

They are indicating a turn towards Edwards. They like Obama, but are uncomfortable with his lack of experience.


13 posted on 12/01/2007 8:07:59 PM PST by Scarchin (+)
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To: shrinkermd

They aren’t abandoning her. They are just lowering expectations a tad to make her look better when she does win the nomination. There is no way Obama has a chance aginst the Clinton machine. A more seasoned candidate might but Obama is still wet behind the ears. Its a joke he is even running.


14 posted on 12/01/2007 8:08:19 PM PST by plain talk
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To: shrinkermd

Pravda is the voice of the boomers, who’ll never abandon Saint Joan of Arkansas!


15 posted on 12/01/2007 8:08:25 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: shrinkermd
....(Fmr. Friend of the Bill) Vince Foster, has no comment. :)
16 posted on 12/01/2007 8:08:57 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....Run, FRed, Run. :^)
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To: shrinkermd
Enter AlGore!
17 posted on 12/01/2007 8:09:16 PM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: SatinDoll

MoDowd FReeper Lore ...
da rulz


18 posted on 12/01/2007 8:09:24 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: shrinkermd
Not a chance. Of course, should Obama get elected the media would quite properly consider that they got him there and expect a commensurate privilege from his administration. They'd be disappointed - only an honest politician stays bought.

Now let's look at a couple of cold facts. Hillary owns the machine that the NY Times is part of whether the "Gay Mafia" on its board like it or not. They either play ball or they're frozen out of her White House, and the Republicans aren't going to come to their rescue after eight straight years of incessant Bush-bashing. They have no choice in the matter. Frank Rich and Mo Dowd can pontificate all they want to and it won't mean a thing. And they'll come around. They don't have any choice either.

19 posted on 12/01/2007 8:10:03 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Liberty Valance

Oh...I’m so sorry you seem to be drunk.

(You’re not making any sense, mister.)


20 posted on 12/01/2007 8:12:44 PM PST by SatinDoll
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