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HORRIBLE HUCK; PUSHING POPULIST PAP
The New York Post ^ | December 3, 2007 | George Will

Posted on 12/03/2007 10:04:42 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084

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On the Republican side, Mike Huckabee's candidacy rests on serial non sequiturs: I am a Christian, therefore I am a conservative, therefore whatever I have done or propose to do with "compassionate," meaning enlarged, government is conservatism. And by the way, anything I denote as a "moral" issue is beyond debate other than by the uncaring forces of greed.

His is a moralist's version of the intellectual vanity once ascribed to Oxford's Benjamin Jowett:

My name is Jowett

Of Balliol College;

If I don't know it,

It is not knowledge.

Many Iowans think it would be wise to nominate a candidate who, when the Republicans were asked during a debate to raise their hands if they do not believe in evolution, raised his. But, then, Huckabee believes America can be energy independent in 10 years, so he has peculiar views about more than paleontology.

Huckabee combines pure moralism with incoherent populism: He wants Washington to impose a nationwide ban on smoking in public, show more solicitude for Americans of modest means and impose more protectionism, thereby raising the cost of living for Americans of modest means.

Although Huckabee is considered affable, two subliminal but clear enough premises of his Iowa attack on Mitt Romney are unpleasant: The almost 6 million American Mormons who consider themselves Christians are mistaken about that. And - 55 million non-Christian Americans should take note - America must have a Christian president.

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If Huckabee succeeds in derailing Romney's campaign by raising a religious test for presidential eligibility, that will be clarifying: In one particular, America was more enlightened a century ago.

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To: Miss Didi
Rush is saying that the Dems NEED George W. Bush on the ballot to get people to the polls out of hatred—someone who also wears his Christianity on his sleeve. And who is that? Huckabee.
51 posted on 12/03/2007 10:53:53 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: roses of sharon
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52 posted on 12/03/2007 10:55:54 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Will despises Christians and social conservatives. Thus, the attacks on Huckabee.

It's "conservatives" like Will that actually make me enjoy the Huckabee surge even, though, Huckabee is liberal on far too many issues.

53 posted on 12/03/2007 10:58:14 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: OB1kNOb

See, I’ve been saying that Mr. Huckabee is a POPULIST.


54 posted on 12/03/2007 10:59:22 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Fred understands that he was a necesary candidate because of grass root conservative support and if he wins it will be because of that support.

Thompson's background suggests he will grow the size and scope of the federal government. I don't trust him to become a conservative now just because he's telling people he is.

55 posted on 12/03/2007 11:01:37 AM PST by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Huckaby: Lou Costello with a tapeworm
56 posted on 12/03/2007 11:02:18 AM PST by Gojira (Lather, rinse, repeat.)
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To: sand88

“Socialism is a cancer that will inevitably destroy any free society. Socialism at it’s core is anti-Christian. Huck’s rabid support of Socialism is sickening.”

I agree, socialism is anti-Christian. However, socialism gets a lot of headwind from ‘soft’ Christianity. Example, at our (Catholic) church this weekend, after Mass, they had a “Caring for God’s creation” table. I don’t know if they were selling socialism or environmentalism, but all of the ‘isms’ are being packaged as a form of ‘compassion’.

‘Social Justice’ is the same thing. It is socialism in another bottle. With a premise that inequality is evil, and a vocabulary that excludes freedom, of course you will end up with socialistic. Love thy neighbor becomes ‘tax thy neighbor’.

My conclusion is Christian belief and Christian organizations are not sufficient for conservative Governance, and in many cases lead people down the wrong path ... the path of good intentions gone awry.


57 posted on 12/03/2007 11:03:10 AM PST by WOSG (Pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-strong defense, pro-GWOT, pro-capitalism)
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To: Ol' Sparky

The GOP clearly needs a marriage counselor. I always thought that they would just combine Giant Douche (Huck) and Turd Sandwich (Rudy) onto one ticket and hope everyone would be happy...after reading this article I am no longer so sure.


58 posted on 12/03/2007 11:05:14 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

“Will despises Christians and social conservatives.”

Not true!
Read “statecraft as soulcraft”. Will’s book actually turned me *on* to a more social conservative path away from pure libertarianism.


59 posted on 12/03/2007 11:06:03 AM PST by WOSG (Pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-strong defense, pro-GWOT, pro-capitalism)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Excellent

FMCDH(BITS)

60 posted on 12/03/2007 11:07:37 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: SittinYonder
Thompson's background suggests he will grow the size and scope of the federal government.

I understand folks have some issues with Thompson's past, but growing the size and scope of the government is not one that is grounded in reality. The only case that could be made for that is McCain-Feingold, which at least is within the scope of the federal government regulating federal elections (even if some of the provision were bad ideas).

As for the rest, see my tagline -- this is the same approach he took in the Senate as today.

61 posted on 12/03/2007 11:10:31 AM PST by kevkrom ("Should government be doing this? And if so, then at what level of government?" - FDT)
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To: roses of sharon

“So why all the angst?”

For some the Gomeresque backwoods style grates, but that’s not the main thing. For fiscal conservatives like me, the tax-and-spend-and-give-illegals-DREAM-Act alarm bells are ringing wildly ...

Because being a pro-life and pro-gun and being about as conservative as John Edwards on everything else doesn’t make you conservative!

http://taxhikemike.org


62 posted on 12/03/2007 11:11:17 AM PST by WOSG (Pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-strong defense, pro-GWOT, pro-capitalism)
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To: RockinRight

Unfortunately there’s a lot of socialism in Christian doctrine.


63 posted on 12/03/2007 11:12:36 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“But what about Keith Olbermann, he has at least 9 regular viewers?”

Liar! He has 11 regulars!!


64 posted on 12/03/2007 11:15:31 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You’re counting his parents?


65 posted on 12/03/2007 11:16:35 AM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: A. Morgan

The Huckster

66 posted on 12/03/2007 11:23:59 AM PST by CASchack
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To: NavVet
Even though I don’t believe a word that comes out of Romney’s mouth, he makes Kerry look like a man of conviction, I would still prefer him to the Huckster.

I wouldn't. Huckabee is at least socially conservative and honest. Romney is a flip-flopper with a liberal record.

67 posted on 12/03/2007 11:28:38 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

James Garfield was, I think, the only one since Lincoln who went from the House to the Presidency in 1881 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/jg20.html).

Didn’t last too long either...


68 posted on 12/03/2007 11:30:15 AM PST by BWDog
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To: Eric Blair 2084
At least Romney had a conversion.

You don't honestly believe that, do you? Romney is whatever he has to be to get elected. That's why he inspires no one.

69 posted on 12/03/2007 11:30:28 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: WOSG
Christian belief and Christian organizations are not sufficient for conservative Governance, and in many cases lead people down the wrong path ... the path of good intentions gone awry

I too am a Catholic. We have a Priest in our Parish that is gun ho for social justice. It is painful to sit through his sermons when he talks of the "good" of certain government programs. He sounds like a leftist politician. I try to avoid his Masses, but during busy seasons, he sometimes unexpectedly steps in for overflow Masses. Most Priests have uplifting sermons.

70 posted on 12/03/2007 11:31:18 AM PST by sand88
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Unless Fred Thompson bounces back and wins the nomination, the whole primary process is going to be ugly. None of the other three candidates are conservatives and any one will alienate a large portion of the base.

I'm still hoping Fred will catch fire...

71 posted on 12/03/2007 11:33:29 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: sand88

“I too am a Catholic. We have a Priest in our Parish that is gun ho for social justice. It is painful to sit through his sermons when he talks of the “good” of certain government programs. He sounds like a leftist politician. I try to avoid his Masses, but during busy seasons, he sometimes unexpectedly steps in for overflow Masses. Most Priests have uplifting sermons.”

Yup, been in that boat. The one that got to my wife and I was a begging speech for a home for ‘immigrants’ that was telling wonderful anecdotes of hard-up ‘immigrants’ that it quickly became apparent were illegal aliens. So we are supposed to give charity to an illegal alien safehouse - oh my. Then the ‘social justice’ group that wants to worry about ‘healthcare affordability’ ie they want socialized medicine.

When I experience this nonsense, I’ve been tempted to go out and start a “Catholics for Capitalism” group. Never did it though.
The next best thing that I have found is to support the
Acton Institute:
http://www.acton.org/


72 posted on 12/03/2007 11:42:44 AM PST by WOSG (Pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-strong defense, pro-GWOT, pro-capitalism)
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To: Ol' Sparky

You have it backwards ...

Romney is at least fiscally conservative and honest. Huckabee is a flip-flopper with a liberal record.

http://taxhikemike.org/


73 posted on 12/03/2007 11:44:17 AM PST by WOSG (Pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-strong defense, pro-GWOT, pro-capitalism)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

lol!


74 posted on 12/03/2007 11:46:07 AM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: sand88

very grateful for your post and wish more folks thought like you do!!


75 posted on 12/03/2007 11:51:20 AM PST by righteousindignation
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To: Bobkk47

Well, then we need to get behind a true conservative such as Duncan Hunter and leave them biting the dust.


76 posted on 12/03/2007 11:53:53 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Eric Blair 2084

All you have to do is visit Democrat Underground and you get the idea of why the media is hyping Huckabee as the front runner in Iowa. The media has selected Huckabee as the easiest target in a national campaign to ridicule and demean. They can use Huckabee, not only to attack personally, but to attack social conservatives and label the whole Republican party as a bunch of out of touch with reality bumpkins.

Then you add Huckabee’s pro-amnesty stance and his fiscal irresponsibility and he has nothing to to fight back on. He would be neutralized within one month of winning the nomination. DU has bragged that they could put up any one and beat Huckabee.


77 posted on 12/03/2007 11:55:19 AM PST by Eva
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To: WOSG
I’ve been tempted to go out and start a “Catholics for Capitalism” group. Never did it though.

I felt the same way - lol. The dehumanizing aspect of Socialism does not seem obvious to many. I heard of the Acton Institute, but have never visited their site. Thank you for the link. I have book marked it.

78 posted on 12/03/2007 11:58:43 AM PST by sand88
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To: Eric Blair 2084
My name is Jowett

Of Balliol College;

If I don't know it,

It is not knowledge.

There are myriads of people to whom this would apply, many of whom agree with George Will. Why pick specifically on Huck?

And why not just end the whole thing and support the real deal, Duncan Hunter? His positions satisfy just about everyone on our side...

79 posted on 12/03/2007 12:03:13 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: righteousindignation

Thank you for your kind words. This will be an interesting election cycle. We will all be anxious wondering if a real conservative will be nominated.


80 posted on 12/03/2007 12:03:46 PM PST by sand88
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To: Eric Blair 2084
George Will endorses Rudy

Then he has a lot of nerve attacking another candidate who believes in bigger government, doesn't he?

81 posted on 12/03/2007 12:16:52 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Lexinom
And why not just end the whole thing and support the real deal, Duncan Hunter?

Because Hunter is advocating a confrontational policy that troubles a nation running on the fumes of the sacrifices made by patriots who understood the necessity to face challenges.

The current factionalism is the result of the false sense of security brought on by America's spectacular victories against existential threats in the past. Only a catastrophic demonstration, one that dwarfs the tragedy of 911, will make it possible for leaders of Hunter's strength and forehandedness to gain traction with an electorate shaken out of its stupidity.
82 posted on 12/03/2007 12:41:59 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: A. Morgan
wow!!!!!!!! strong words for a guy from Hope eNews Reference Directory of News around the world.
83 posted on 12/03/2007 12:43:20 PM PST by enewsreference (http://www.enewsreference.com)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

LOL!


84 posted on 12/03/2007 12:57:00 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: enewsreference

Bizarro World Ticket

Paul and Huckabee

In fact if either Huckabee or Paul is on the ticket it’s BIZARRO WORLD!


85 posted on 12/03/2007 1:00:01 PM PST by A. Morgan (Each terrorist we kill lowers the carbon foot print of the war.)
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To: PerConPat

Our situation brings to mind a camp in the great frozen north. Wolves are in the area. Unless we keep the fire burning high they will grow bolder and come closer to the camp. Hence, the WTC attacks of 1993 and 2001.


86 posted on 12/03/2007 1:00:06 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Huck will straighten out the boozers just like he did the smokers. Some drinkers were all to happy to kick the smokers out so they can have the bar for themselves. Huck will fix it...

I have the feeling that if the Huckster had been around in 1919, he would be championing the 18th Amendment...

87 posted on 12/03/2007 1:08:13 PM PST by LRS (It's time to put Hillary on the 3:10 to Yuma...)
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To: roses of sharon

Huckleberry is NOT a conservative at all! He is a tax and spend social LIB masquerading as a Republican, campaigningas a populist. As for a righteously moral person Huckleberry lost that title with all of his lies.


88 posted on 12/03/2007 1:11:47 PM PST by A. Morgan (Each terrorist we kill lowers the carbon foot print of the war.)
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To: LRS
That's the problem. Abortion is one thing, as the right to life delineated in our founding documents is prior to all other rights.

Smoking and drinking however, while destructive to the individual, cannot be regulated at the federal level in a constitutionally kosher way. If a predominantly Baptist county in Texas - or LDS county in Utah - wants to remain "dry", that's one thing and is federalism at its finest. But federal statute!? No. Not for this.

89 posted on 12/03/2007 1:15:07 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: Lexinom
Unless we keep the fire burning high they will grow bolder and come closer to the camp. Hence, the WTC attacks of 1993 and 2001.

Well said...The timidity and lack of purpose, for whatever the reasons, demonstrated by the US responses to the Islamo-fascists since the days of that idiot Carter led directly to those, and other, atrocities.
90 posted on 12/03/2007 1:19:04 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I think I’ll be going to Baptist jail if Huckster gets in!


91 posted on 12/03/2007 1:40:26 PM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Bobkk47

I told my wife the same thing last night.

If Governor Huckabee somehow wins the nomination expect headlines and references to Reverand Huckabee vs. Governor. I think that there are a lot of evangelicals, including myself, who have concerns about a minister running the government.

Please decide, Sir, which is your higher calling ... decide, then follow it.


92 posted on 12/03/2007 1:45:19 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: OB1kNOb; flashbunny; NeoCaveman; SoConPubbie; Esther Ruth; pissant; pandoraou812; gidget7; 383rr; ..
I must be trapped in a Jimmy Dean Sausage Commercial, ca. 1959. Maybe I'm living in Mayberry, RFD, with Aunt Bea.

Huckabee? Who the Hell next? Tennessee Ernie Ford? Flatt and Scruggs? Who the hell is this canard's campaign manager .... PT Barnum? Please excuse me now. I must retire to a dark room in my double-wide and draw the Prayer Cloth I bought mail order from WWVA in 1954 over my face, so that I can rest*.

* PS I also bought the Red Top Baby Chicks and made a fortune raising chinchillas from the same source in my basement. Dang! I guess I jes' a natcheral Huckabee voter!

93 posted on 12/03/2007 1:57:25 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Round up the Dark Horses, boys. This herd of contenders ain't makin' it.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

This primary process seems like a game of who can best splinter the Reagan coalition. Hunter... failing that, Fred.


94 posted on 12/03/2007 2:03:07 PM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: BlueNgold
Please decide, Sir, which is your higher calling ... decide, then follow it.

Unfortunately the Huckster made that choice years ago. He picked politics over the ministry.

95 posted on 12/03/2007 2:10:14 PM PST by OB1kNOb (Support Duncan Hunter for the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. He is THE true conservative candidate.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

I don’t see someone that encourages a disregard of the rule of law as a social conservative.


96 posted on 12/03/2007 2:52:45 PM PST by NavVet (O)
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To: Eva
"All you have to do is visit Democrat Underground and you get the idea of why the media is hyping Huckabee as the front runner in Iowa. The media has selected Huckabee as the easiest target in a national campaign to ridicule and demean. They can use Huckabee, not only to attack personally, but to attack social conservatives and label the whole Republican party as a bunch of out of touch with reality bumpkins. Then you add Huckabee’s pro-amnesty stance and his fiscal irresponsibility and he has nothing to to fight back on. He would be neutralized within one month of winning the nomination. DU has bragged that they could put up any one and beat Huckabee." - Eva

Nail hits head. Needs to be said.

97 posted on 12/03/2007 7:04:57 PM PST by WOSG (Pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom, pro-strong defense, pro-GWOT, pro-capitalism)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Dear Bible Thumping toothless rednecks,

How dare you!?!!!

98 posted on 12/03/2007 7:32:21 PM PST by ShowMeMom (America: The home of the FREE because of the BRAVE.)
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To: ShowMeMom

Not sure if you get the joke, or you are just being sarcastic.


99 posted on 12/03/2007 7:33:34 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Miss Didi

Huck Huck bobuck bananafanna fo...


100 posted on 12/03/2007 7:36:10 PM PST by aruanan
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