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Michigan House Passes Ban On Smoking In Bars, Restaurants
ClickonDetroit ^ | December 6, 2007 | AP

Posted on 12/06/2007 5:29:42 AM PST by ShadowDancer

Michigan House Passes Ban On Smoking In Bars, Restaurants

POSTED: 7:47 am EST December 6, 2007
UPDATED: 8:10 am EST December 6, 2007

Smoking in Michigan workplaces, including bars and restaurants, would be banned under legislation passed by the Democratic-led state House.

The vote is a victory for supporters, who have been pushing the measure for a decade.

But it may not get very far in the Senate because majority Republicans oppose it.

Backers say a majority of state residents want a broad workplace smoking ban, and point to the harmful effects of secondhand smoke on employees and patrons.

Opponents say smoking is legal and government shouldn't interfere with the rights of private property owners.

Casinos, horse tracks, bingo halls, cigar bars and smoke shops would be exempt from the smoking ban.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: hooray; nannystate; pufflist; tobaccocausescancer
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To: Snoopers-868th
I'm a young college student that was brain-washed by my parents. I can't count the number of times I was told "Think for yourself...you have a brain for just that purpose."

I've opted to bypass the college student liberalism and be realistic.

101 posted on 12/06/2007 8:40:31 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (No Longer white...I'm Caucasion-American...Please make note)
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To: Old Professer
Who wants to smell like perchloroethylene and acetone, anyway?

You are giving the nanny staters more amunition - smokers are forcing them to be subjected to dangerous chemicals because they must purge themselves of the nasty smoking smell.

102 posted on 12/06/2007 8:42:43 AM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

ATC: You misread my response. It was intended to be for College Repub.


103 posted on 12/06/2007 8:46:44 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Snoopers-868th

Or maybe ATC I misread your response which was only intended to be a comment. LOL


104 posted on 12/06/2007 8:49:19 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: College Repub
Good riddance to smokers!
Have you a complete list of the undesirables that you would like to see expunged from the earth? Out with it, boy. I can't believe that of all the evils in the world, smoking is the one vice that you simply cannot tolerate. First, they came for the smokers....
105 posted on 12/06/2007 8:50:00 AM PST by BMiles2112
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To: Elyse

Your sweat don’t stink?


106 posted on 12/06/2007 8:59:51 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

It was for general comment only. I’m an 80 year old wrapped in an 18 year old body.


107 posted on 12/06/2007 9:13:45 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (No Longer white...I'm Caucasion-American...Please make note)
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To: Snoopers-868th

...and I write that as I listen to Glenn Miller’s WWII-Big Band Swing.


108 posted on 12/06/2007 9:14:52 AM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (No Longer white...I'm Caucasion-American...Please make note)
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To: Old Professer

Lol! Actually, I’m remarkably unstinky under my arms, but I make up for it by smoking. :)


109 posted on 12/06/2007 9:16:45 AM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...
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If you would like to be added or dropped from the Michigan ping list, please freepmail me.

Our legislature at work.

110 posted on 12/06/2007 9:23:28 AM PST by grellis (Is this the best we've got??!)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues
...and I write that as I listen to Glenn Miller’s WWII-Big Band Swing.

Do you have the History Channel's 2-CD set called "Til Then". Excellent. This is not the music of my era but it is my favorite. My mother's era but I loved it so much I claim it too. Many years ago we attended a New Year's Eve dance affair and had the privilege to dance to the Glenn Miller Band under the direction of Buddy Morrow. A night I will never forget and the dance steps we love to dance to learned through Fred Astaire studio. See your Private messages.

111 posted on 12/06/2007 9:23:47 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: cripplecreek
Back when I was a bride-to-be, I registered for gifts at the now belly-up Folands. Walked around with a clipboard in one hand and a smoke in the other.

I also remember visiting my husband, before we were married, while he was at work at Radio Shack. We'd hang out on the salesfloor, smoking. That was back in 1990.

112 posted on 12/06/2007 9:27:51 AM PST by grellis (Is this the best we've got??!)
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To: absolootezer0
so, any word on how many budget bills are still floating around?

No idea, but I bet it's quite a few. Our state budget is nothing more than smoke and mirrors...a magic trick which adeptly makes money from our pockets disappear.

Funny, isn't it? The House dims have the time to vote on legislation which is sure to be killed in the Senate, and they still haven't wrapped up the budget...

113 posted on 12/06/2007 9:31:22 AM PST by grellis (Is this the best we've got??!)
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To: Philly Nomad
I'm shaking from laughing. Let me get this straight: You were staying out of establishments which allowed smoking because you were what...concerned for your health? And now you're pleased as punch because you can go out and drink more?

You are soooooo on the wrong forum, dear! Thanks for the chuckle

114 posted on 12/06/2007 9:42:11 AM PST by grellis (Is this the best we've got??!)
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To: Snoopers-868th
Oh my word, Snoopers--you're a gal!!! All this time I thought you were a guy! Not that it has anything to do with the subject at hand, but, well, there ya go!
115 posted on 12/06/2007 9:48:07 AM PST by grellis (Is this the best we've got??!)
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To: ShadowDancer

The economy in Michigan is the worst in the nations. Employers are leaving in droves. Lansing is in chaos and THIS is what the democrats are wasting their time on???


116 posted on 12/06/2007 9:49:04 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: ShadowDancer

Yup, thank goodness they’re finally taking steps to strengthen our languishing economy, crippling unemployment, and bloated government.


117 posted on 12/06/2007 9:50:35 AM PST by DarkSavant
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To: grellis

Just Damn—gave myself away. LOL


118 posted on 12/06/2007 10:02:11 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: grellis

yeah, its really, REALLY irritating, especially to me. i have a job offer that’s dependant on one of the budget bills being passed.
*sigh*

and in the mean time, they’re passing around bills about helmet laws and smoking bans.


119 posted on 12/06/2007 10:06:24 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: DouglasKC; Gabz
This is what I can't figure out, especially given the mitten's current financial state: Why try enacting a ban? Why isn't our state gubmint trying to cash in--FURTHER--on smokers?

If the dims had put any thought into it, they'd have realized that this is a money-making opportunity. What does a store, restaurant, bar etc do if they want to sell alcohol? They apply for a license ($$$). Let's imagine our state gubmint goes that route: How else, besides licensing fees, can they make money off of establishments friendly to smokers? Why not require--as a condition of licensing--special ventilation systems? ($$$ KA-CHING $$$--unionized mechanical contractors making money, permit department raking in the fees, code compliance heavies finding faults everywhere, assessing all kinds of violation fees...)

I'm astounded that the dims would go for an outright ban, when a golden calf, chewing on tobacco leaves, is just a-sittin in yonder pasture!

Kinda scary, just how easily I can slip into the mind of a dim...

120 posted on 12/06/2007 10:07:03 AM PST by grellis (Is this the best we've got??!)
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To: grellis
Kinda scary, just how easily I can slip into the mind of a dim...

Apparently not, connsidering they are not considering such an option..

121 posted on 12/06/2007 10:10:44 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Philly Nomad

Here in Ohio we have one fo the most restrictive no smoking laws in the country.

However, tha law is an ass and my favorite bar ignores the ban.


122 posted on 12/06/2007 10:19:00 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Philly Nomad

Whatever the effect on the business, the government has no right to do this, and you have no right to a smoke-free environment in someone else’s property. If a bar owner wants a smoke-filled bar, it’s his right. If he want’s a smoke-free bar, that’s also his right. If you don’t like the air, find another bar, or buy your own.


123 posted on 12/06/2007 10:27:36 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

So, if a business wanted to serve beer to teenagers they should be allowed to?


124 posted on 12/06/2007 10:32:02 AM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: ShadowDancer
"Casinos, horse tracks, bingo halls, cigar bars and smoke shops would be exempt from the smoking ban."

HA!!

...for now.

125 posted on 12/06/2007 10:34:22 AM PST by Landru (Reality hits the faithful the hardest.)
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To: ohioman

Look at these whiners in Ohio:

http://www.smokechoke.com


126 posted on 12/06/2007 10:39:41 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Philly Nomad; Daveinyork
So, if a business wanted to serve beer to teenagers they should be allowed to?

If they are with their parents and not driving, why not?

127 posted on 12/06/2007 11:33:47 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: ShadowDancer

This state resident thinks it’s a busy-body, Big Sister Jenny-bot, idea and I don’t even smoke.

Hope it fails.


128 posted on 12/06/2007 12:28:56 PM PST by madison10
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To: Philly Nomad

Go ahead, change the subject. That’s what big government types always do when your logic overwhelms them in a argument. The question at hand is, do you have the right to tell a bar or restaurant owner that he may not permit his customers to smoke on his premises?


129 posted on 12/06/2007 1:34:27 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Daveinyork

The problem with you Ron Paulites is where do you draw the line?

If government can regulate business about controlling behaviors which negatively influence other people, can then government tell gays they can’t get married? What about abortion?

It’s all part of the same thread.


130 posted on 12/06/2007 1:48:41 PM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad

What a curiously confused person you are. Please, go on. It’s quite fascinating.


131 posted on 12/06/2007 2:01:58 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Philly Nomad

You are doing your best to change the subject. I thought it was about the smoking laws.


132 posted on 12/06/2007 2:12:36 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Swordfished

Huck Fuckabee...JK


133 posted on 12/06/2007 2:19:36 PM PST by sanjacjake
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To: Daveinyork

Well, I’m looking at this from a philosophical mode, should the community make the laws or should businesses?

Yes or No?


134 posted on 12/06/2007 2:47:41 PM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: grellis

Well, if you ever had fun you’d realize that

2 drinks + 90 minutes of second hand smoke = icky next morning
4 drinks + 120 minutes of non-smoky air = fresh as a flower, clothes don’t stink, hair smells clean.


135 posted on 12/06/2007 2:53:46 PM PST by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad

As a conservative, I think the community can make rules through government, but let’s not confuse the community with the government. The government can be an instrument of the will of the community, but it usually is an expression of the will of the politically savvy members of the community, rather than of the community as a whole.

A community can get more done by voluntary taboos. It has been far more effective at reducing public smoking than government has been. If a bar permits smoking, and nobody patronizes the place, the owner will get the message. If he does not lose business, perhaps the will of a significant part of the community is not the same as yours.

btw, I am not a Ron Paul supporter.


136 posted on 12/06/2007 2:56:33 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Philly Nomad

Booze stinks!


137 posted on 12/06/2007 3:02:34 PM PST by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: Martins kid; Gabz

Most of the huge chains are probably ok, though I see with my own eyes here in NW oHeilOthat even those have lost about 15-20 per cent. The small, locally-owned bars and restaurants are dying, and closing in droves.


138 posted on 12/06/2007 3:52:56 PM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("To Live Outside The Law, You must Be Honest"-Robert Zimmerman song lyric)
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To: Gabz

I tried to go to Sam’s Coney Island for some take-out last night (I am a lover of hot dogs). It had been in business for 5-6 years, and had allowed smoking before the ban. I’d noticed last time I got take-out I was the only one there. It is now GONE. Closed and dark.


139 posted on 12/06/2007 3:56:19 PM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("To Live Outside The Law, You must Be Honest"-Robert Zimmerman song lyric)
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney

I have no sympathy for any of the chains, they are major supporters of the smking bans. They can tolerate a 15-20% drop-off in business until all the little guys go under and they are the only games in town.

That is their goal. It is their reason for supporting the bans.


140 posted on 12/06/2007 4:15:47 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz

Yep, 100% dead on. Never told you, but Ruby Tuesday and a few other nationwide chains waited until just before the election (the one with the ban) to build here. We’d never had them here before.


141 posted on 12/06/2007 4:25:31 PM PST by The Ghost of Rudy McRomney ("To Live Outside The Law, You must Be Honest"-Robert Zimmerman song lyric)
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney

The nationwide chains OWNED the Delaware Restaurant Association and forced their support of the ban there.


142 posted on 12/06/2007 4:34:42 PM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Elyse
Just imagine the surprise of the Smoke Nazis when their favorite bar posts this sign:

"Two drink minimum.
"Two drink maximum."

143 posted on 12/06/2007 4:52:27 PM PST by HoosierHawk
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To: cripplecreek; PBRSTREETGANG
Where have you two been?

I had an ashtray (and used it copiously) in the delivery room where my two kids were born (1982 and 1984).

God, I miss that.

144 posted on 12/06/2007 7:34:28 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Philly Nomad
Your friends were bad businessmen and just want to put the blame on somebody else.

The somebody else being governmental bodies treading on age-old custom with rumor and innuendo as a basis and excuse.

145 posted on 12/06/2007 7:36:24 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: JamesA
I suppose the fact of the matter is, people don’t like to smell cigerette smoke.

Then those people should start their own bars and restaurants, rather than using the guns of government to enforce their will on the rest of us.

146 posted on 12/06/2007 7:38:59 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: gracesdad
The ONLY bar I ever go to has done so. They’re going strong.

Fabulous.

Now leave me one bar I can go to and smoke.

147 posted on 12/06/2007 7:43:16 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: College Repub
Good. Good riddance to smokers!

Now if we could only get rid of fat people and people who talk on their cell phones while driving and people who do anything else we don't do.

148 posted on 12/06/2007 7:46:00 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: ichabod1
Well, it really doesn’t make sense to HAVE bars does it? I don’t care what they say, somebody had to drive to get to that bar, and I think we all know there aren’t that many designated drivers out there.

The idea and strategy to begin this country started in taverns.

I would just bet there might have been drinking and smoking going on.

149 posted on 12/06/2007 7:54:13 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Rita Hayworth
Almost all the restaurants in my town have gone smoke free and have noticed an increase in business. It’s a delight.

How much of a delight will it be when they go red-meat, potato, desert, coffee and butter free?

150 posted on 12/06/2007 7:56:19 PM PST by elkfersupper
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