Skip to comments.Michigan House Passes Ban On Smoking In Bars, Restaurants
Posted on 12/06/2007 5:29:42 AM PST by ShadowDancer
Michigan House Passes Ban On Smoking In Bars, Restaurants
POSTED: 7:47 am EST December 6, 2007
UPDATED: 8:10 am EST December 6, 2007
Smoking in Michigan workplaces, including bars and restaurants, would be banned under legislation passed by the Democratic-led state House.
The vote is a victory for supporters, who have been pushing the measure for a decade.
But it may not get very far in the Senate because majority Republicans oppose it.
Backers say a majority of state residents want a broad workplace smoking ban, and point to the harmful effects of secondhand smoke on employees and patrons.
Opponents say smoking is legal and government shouldn't interfere with the rights of private property owners.
Casinos, horse tracks, bingo halls, cigar bars and smoke shops would be exempt from the smoking ban.
I've opted to bypass the college student liberalism and be realistic.
You are giving the nanny staters more amunition - smokers are forcing them to be subjected to dangerous chemicals because they must purge themselves of the nasty smoking smell.
ATC: You misread my response. It was intended to be for College Repub.
Or maybe ATC I misread your response which was only intended to be a comment. LOL
Your sweat don’t stink?
It was for general comment only. I’m an 80 year old wrapped in an 18 year old body.
...and I write that as I listen to Glenn Miller’s WWII-Big Band Swing.
Lol! Actually, I’m remarkably unstinky under my arms, but I make up for it by smoking. :)
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Our legislature at work.
Do you have the History Channel's 2-CD set called "Til Then". Excellent. This is not the music of my era but it is my favorite. My mother's era but I loved it so much I claim it too. Many years ago we attended a New Year's Eve dance affair and had the privilege to dance to the Glenn Miller Band under the direction of Buddy Morrow. A night I will never forget and the dance steps we love to dance to learned through Fred Astaire studio. See your Private messages.
I also remember visiting my husband, before we were married, while he was at work at Radio Shack. We'd hang out on the salesfloor, smoking. That was back in 1990.
No idea, but I bet it's quite a few. Our state budget is nothing more than smoke and mirrors...a magic trick which adeptly makes money from our pockets disappear.
Funny, isn't it? The House dims have the time to vote on legislation which is sure to be killed in the Senate, and they still haven't wrapped up the budget...
You are soooooo on the wrong forum, dear! Thanks for the chuckle
The economy in Michigan is the worst in the nations. Employers are leaving in droves. Lansing is in chaos and THIS is what the democrats are wasting their time on???
Yup, thank goodness they’re finally taking steps to strengthen our languishing economy, crippling unemployment, and bloated government.
Just Damn—gave myself away. LOL
yeah, its really, REALLY irritating, especially to me. i have a job offer that’s dependant on one of the budget bills being passed.
and in the mean time, they’re passing around bills about helmet laws and smoking bans.
If the dims had put any thought into it, they'd have realized that this is a money-making opportunity. What does a store, restaurant, bar etc do if they want to sell alcohol? They apply for a license ($$$). Let's imagine our state gubmint goes that route: How else, besides licensing fees, can they make money off of establishments friendly to smokers? Why not require--as a condition of licensing--special ventilation systems? ($$$ KA-CHING $$$--unionized mechanical contractors making money, permit department raking in the fees, code compliance heavies finding faults everywhere, assessing all kinds of violation fees...)
I'm astounded that the dims would go for an outright ban, when a golden calf, chewing on tobacco leaves, is just a-sittin in yonder pasture!
Kinda scary, just how easily I can slip into the mind of a dim...
Apparently not, connsidering they are not considering such an option..
Here in Ohio we have one fo the most restrictive no smoking laws in the country.
However, tha law is an ass and my favorite bar ignores the ban.
Whatever the effect on the business, the government has no right to do this, and you have no right to a smoke-free environment in someone else’s property. If a bar owner wants a smoke-filled bar, it’s his right. If he want’s a smoke-free bar, that’s also his right. If you don’t like the air, find another bar, or buy your own.
So, if a business wanted to serve beer to teenagers they should be allowed to?
Look at these whiners in Ohio:
If they are with their parents and not driving, why not?
This state resident thinks it’s a busy-body, Big Sister Jenny-bot, idea and I don’t even smoke.
Hope it fails.
Go ahead, change the subject. That’s what big government types always do when your logic overwhelms them in a argument. The question at hand is, do you have the right to tell a bar or restaurant owner that he may not permit his customers to smoke on his premises?
The problem with you Ron Paulites is where do you draw the line?
If government can regulate business about controlling behaviors which negatively influence other people, can then government tell gays they can’t get married? What about abortion?
It’s all part of the same thread.
What a curiously confused person you are. Please, go on. It’s quite fascinating.
You are doing your best to change the subject. I thought it was about the smoking laws.
Well, I’m looking at this from a philosophical mode, should the community make the laws or should businesses?
Yes or No?
Well, if you ever had fun you’d realize that
2 drinks + 90 minutes of second hand smoke = icky next morning
4 drinks + 120 minutes of non-smoky air = fresh as a flower, clothes don’t stink, hair smells clean.
As a conservative, I think the community can make rules through government, but let’s not confuse the community with the government. The government can be an instrument of the will of the community, but it usually is an expression of the will of the politically savvy members of the community, rather than of the community as a whole.
A community can get more done by voluntary taboos. It has been far more effective at reducing public smoking than government has been. If a bar permits smoking, and nobody patronizes the place, the owner will get the message. If he does not lose business, perhaps the will of a significant part of the community is not the same as yours.
btw, I am not a Ron Paul supporter.
Most of the huge chains are probably ok, though I see with my own eyes here in NW oHeilOthat even those have lost about 15-20 per cent. The small, locally-owned bars and restaurants are dying, and closing in droves.
I tried to go to Sam’s Coney Island for some take-out last night (I am a lover of hot dogs). It had been in business for 5-6 years, and had allowed smoking before the ban. I’d noticed last time I got take-out I was the only one there. It is now GONE. Closed and dark.
I have no sympathy for any of the chains, they are major supporters of the smking bans. They can tolerate a 15-20% drop-off in business until all the little guys go under and they are the only games in town.
That is their goal. It is their reason for supporting the bans.
Yep, 100% dead on. Never told you, but Ruby Tuesday and a few other nationwide chains waited until just before the election (the one with the ban) to build here. We’d never had them here before.
The nationwide chains OWNED the Delaware Restaurant Association and forced their support of the ban there.
"Two drink minimum.
"Two drink maximum."
I had an ashtray (and used it copiously) in the delivery room where my two kids were born (1982 and 1984).
God, I miss that.
The somebody else being governmental bodies treading on age-old custom with rumor and innuendo as a basis and excuse.
Then those people should start their own bars and restaurants, rather than using the guns of government to enforce their will on the rest of us.
Now leave me one bar I can go to and smoke.
Now if we could only get rid of fat people and people who talk on their cell phones while driving and people who do anything else we don't do.
The idea and strategy to begin this country started in taverns.
I would just bet there might have been drinking and smoking going on.
How much of a delight will it be when they go red-meat, potato, desert, coffee and butter free?