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Four People Shot Outside Colorado Springs New Life Church
Fox News ^ | 09 DEC 07 | Fox News

Posted on 12/09/2007 12:49:26 PM PST by aomagrat

Edited on 12/09/2007 12:59:09 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

[I waited 45 seconds and actually posted something substantial--Ed.]

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — At least four people were shot outside of a Colorado Springs church on Sunday, but it was not immediately known whether the shootings were related to an earlier shooting about 70 miles away, authorities said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: antichristian; assam; banglist; bombs; christian; christianpersecution; church; churchshooting; colorado; coloradosprings; enemedia; goldencompasskiller; hatecrime; hometown; ieds; newlifechurch; persecution; tedhaggard; thegoldencompass; wonderwoman
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To: nicmarlo

and if one of the bullets flying were his, nothing else changes ;’)


1,721 posted on 12/10/2007 5:03:29 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Ann Archy

I’ve seen articles that say that yes, his parents are devout Christians.


1,722 posted on 12/10/2007 5:03:47 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: nicmarlo
Larry Bourbonnais, a combat-tested Vietnam veteran, said
it was "The Bravest Thing I've Ever Seen"

1,723 posted on 12/10/2007 5:03:54 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: CindyDawg

exactly right


1,724 posted on 12/10/2007 5:04:11 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: LibertyRocks

A lot can happen in three minutes. (the length of time the police said it took for the first officer to get to the church after they got the call)


1,725 posted on 12/10/2007 5:07:01 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: XeniaSt
Thanks for the link. Did you read this part?

Although FDA has not concluded that these drugs cause worsening depression or suicidality, health care providers should be aware that worsening of symptoms could be due to the underlying disease or might be a result of drug therapy.

It's been known for decades that bad things can happen if a bipolar patient is misdiagnosed as depressive, even before SSRI's were heard of.

And, like I said before, I had EXCELLENT results from the two SSRI's I mentioned. It was just what was needed at the time, and produced the desired results...and I never thought about killing myself or anyone else.

1,726 posted on 12/10/2007 5:07:19 PM PST by wimpycat (Hyperbole is the opiate of the activist wacko.)
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To: CindyDawg; Cindy; yorkie; Quix; rabidralph; All
the church had the foresight to go on the alert because [ASSAM] heard of the YWAM shooting and recommended that extra security be posted at the church. Yes, DHS could learn something from her about proactive security.

178 posted on 12/10/2007 8:04:49 PM EST by rabidralph

1,727 posted on 12/10/2007 5:08:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

looks like maybe there are a few lessons here


1,728 posted on 12/10/2007 5:09:05 PM PST by RDTF (Remember Pearl Harbor)
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To: Palladin

Interesting story here:http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_7683781


1,729 posted on 12/10/2007 5:09:50 PM PST by rawhide
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To: RDTF

I think so, RD.


1,730 posted on 12/10/2007 5:10:10 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: r9etb

*snicker*


1,731 posted on 12/10/2007 5:10:49 PM PST by RDTF (Remember Pearl Harbor)
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After the gunman went down, Bourbonnais asked the Assam, a volunteer security guard with the church, how she remained so calm and focused. Bourbonnais said she replied: “I was asking the Holy Spirit to guide me the entire time.”

Now that's the type of Holy Spirit I like.

Some members of the congregation reacted with compassion and forgiveness, in keeping with their faith.

Ashley Gibbs was getting into a car with David Harris when they heard the gunshots — a sound like someone kicking ice from the side of a car, she said. Harris said he saw the gunman. "I was in the military for about three years, and the way he was holding the rifle looked just like the way we were taught to when I was in the military," he told NBC's "Today" show. They stayed in the vehicle and prayed for the gunman. "It was obvious that he was in some sort of pain and going through a lot," Gibbs told "Today." "I just prayed God would bring him peace."

This is the type of nonsense that just give makes me ill.

1,732 posted on 12/10/2007 5:11:46 PM PST by evad
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To: nicmarlo

Adding on to your post:

I do believe that ALL Christian Churches and Synagogues should have adequate security and be prepared for any emergency.

It’s the world we live in.
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http://www.christianemergencynetwork.com

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I also believe we should be prepared in our personal lives, too.

http://www.truthusa.com/2ndAmendment.html


1,733 posted on 12/10/2007 5:12:53 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

I agree; will be buying a glock or S&W pretty soon. Can’t yet make up my mind. I do like the S&W pistol....


1,734 posted on 12/10/2007 5:13:44 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Strategerist
“Actually police aren’t sure if she shot him or if he shot himself.”

“She returned fire and just kept walking toward the gunman pressing off round after round.”

This doesn’t seem really debatable.

It seems pretty obvious that a brave American took out a terrorist. Thank God for her.

She is a “Let’s Roll”, version 2.

1,735 posted on 12/10/2007 5:14:44 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: evad

You think so? The praying may have been why so many were spared. As wicked as the shooter was...as horrible as the things he did were, I pray that he had a few second to cry to Jesus for forgiveness before he died.


1,736 posted on 12/10/2007 5:15:46 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: evad

yea, not a lot of common sense there


1,737 posted on 12/10/2007 5:16:09 PM PST by RDTF (Remember Pearl Harbor)
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To: Cindy

I’ve also been looking at the S&W revolver....that one I like the best.


1,738 posted on 12/10/2007 5:16:27 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: HereInTheHeartland
She is a “Let’s Roll”, version 2.

Well said!

1,739 posted on 12/10/2007 5:17:03 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: wimpycat

I used to be very firmly against all sort of depression meds, etc... I still have concerns over people being misdiagnosed, over zealous precribing by doctors who do NOT follow-up or even suggest counseling, etc.. etc... However, I now realize that these medications are good when prescribed and taken properly within a network of good doctors and support people.

After I was sexually assaulted (not raped), a few years ago, and then moved I found that I was still experiencing what has now been diagnosed as PTSD (I thought by moving out of the area it happened would help, but it didn’t).

It was a very hard thing to deal with as I pride myself on being a very “strong” person who has dealt with a lot in my relatively short life (I’m 35 years old). Asking for help was probably the hardest thing I’ve ever had to do in my life — even counting all the horrible things I’ve been through. I am currently taking Zoloft (a relatively small dosage), and it was literally a godsend to me.

Hence, I find it very hard to be patient with people who want to blame these medications for acts of this sort. It offends me personally. The vast majority of us who take these medications would NEVER even contemplate committing these evil acts...

I truly think that some of these people would still commit acts of this kind even if they were NOT on medications etc... I think it has more to do with what is in a person’s heart frankly.

For instance, you can have two people grow up in the same abusive home experiencing the exact same type of physical and mental/emotional abuse — and one person who realizes how horrendous the actions of the abuser are and would NEVER consider abusing someone else, but the other person in the same home continues the cycle of abuse when they grow up. Why is that? How can it be that two people have such different reactions to the exact same abuse? I think it’s how some people are “wired” frankly... I don’t pretend to understand it all, but it happens and the only thing I can explain it by is understanding that there are those people who don’t “get it” and others that “do”...

(Sorry if this was sort of hard to understand. I understandably get a little emotional when talking about these issues and sometimes it affects the clarity of my explanations. :) )


1,740 posted on 12/10/2007 5:17:33 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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