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Should The Public Be Able To Get The Types Of Guns We Use In Iraq?
Brady Campaign ^ | December 14, 2007 | Paul Helmke

Posted on 12/14/2007 5:07:40 PM PST by holymoly

I asked this question last week of the candidates for President now campaigning in Iowa, and I think that for most of the American people [pdf] the answer is clearly “no.”

In the last ten days, two states in the heart of the country have sustained mass shootings by people armed with military-style assault rifles – two attacks with assault weapons in less than a week. One shooter attacked a mall full of employees and Christmas shoppers in Omaha. The other attacked a church in Colorado.

Together, they left twelve people dead.

Yet today assault weapons remain perfectly legal to buy in gun stores and gun shows across the country, in unlimited quantities. Perhaps even more shocking, the type of bullet many assault weapons fire (7.62mm full metal jacket) can penetrate four categories of police body armor [pdf]. There is no legitimate reason the public should have this kind of access to military-style assault weapons.

It’s also frustrating that when a UPS employee raised concerns on September 13 about the “multiple boxes” of ammunition the Colorado shooter had delivered to his postal box, police officers said there was nothing illegal. No limits on the number of guns; no limits on ammunition; very minimal limits on the type of guns – no wonder we have problems.

Since the terrible shootings last week, leading newspapers are joining the call. Here is a sample of what they’re saying.

The New York Times: “Until recently, the nation did have a law designed to protect the public from assault rifles and other high-tech infantry weapons. In 1994, enough politicians felt the public’s fear to respond with a 10-year ban on assault-weapons that was not perfect but dented the free-marketeering of Rambo mayhem. Most Americans rejected the gun lobby’s absurd claim that assault rifles are “sporting” weapons. But when it came up for renewal in 2004, President Bush and Congress caved to the gun lobby and allowed the law to lapse.”

The Philadelphia Inquirer: “The troubled 19-year-old in Omaha used his stepfather’s AK-47-type assault weapon to unleash 30 rounds of gunfire on innocent victims, and then killed himself. Who needs a gun like that around the house?”

The Washington Post: “The AK-47 assault rifle that an Omaha teenager pilfered from his stepfather was among the guns outlawed under the ban on assault weapons that Congress and President Bush unwisely allowed to lapse. Why that kind of gun should be so easily available to someone as troubled as that 19-year-old is unfathomable. Eight people shopping or working at a mall died as a result.”

To protect ourselves and our police [pdf], these weapons of war should be kept out of the hands of civilians.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; bradybunch; bradycampaign; bradywatch; hci; helmke
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To: 353FMG
Media Coverage of Mall Shooting Fails to Reveal Mall's Gun-Free-Zone Status
21 posted on 12/14/2007 5:21:05 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: billorites

Spooky bump.....


22 posted on 12/14/2007 5:22:05 PM PST by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built)
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To: holymoly

“Helmke attended Yale at the same time that former President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Clinton [sic] and was an acquaintance of each.” Per Wikipedia.


23 posted on 12/14/2007 5:23:14 PM PST by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: holymoly

Yet again these newspapers ask the wrong questions. You don’t need an AK-47 to go hunting or to protect your house. But you do need one to protect yourself from your government. When people CAN own AK-47s and the like, the government will be nice and pacified. When that right is taken away we will see more Ruby Ridges and Wacos.

The government that fears that its people could get ticked off and decide to violently overthrow the government (perhaps with heads on pikes) is a government that is going to tread lightly. A government that doesn’t fear that can do anything it wants.


24 posted on 12/14/2007 5:23:37 PM PST by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: holymoly
"Should The Public Be Able To Get The Types Of Guns We Use In Iraq?"

This question has a simple answer; which is based upon the very reason that We The People have been endowed by God with the individual Right To keep and Bear Arms.

The Public should have ready access to the use of the same level and quality of Firearms that the various Agencies of the Federal and State Governments have potential contingencies and intent for use against said individual members of the Public.

25 posted on 12/14/2007 5:23:39 PM PST by Nova
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"The Mall was a GUN FREE zone, no concealed Carry even with a permit, and a massacre happened."

You must be mistaken. That cant be right. The killer took a gun in the mall and murdered 8 people. Everyone knows murderers will not violate gun free zone laws, otherwise those gun laws would be pointless dribble.

26 posted on 12/14/2007 5:24:02 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: doc1019

I was in Nam, (not a grunt) what are the Stoner 63 & MK 23?

Loved shooting the M203, over-under!!


27 posted on 12/14/2007 5:25:25 PM PST by PROCON (Merry CHRISTmas!!)
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To: Billthedrill

What’s the range on that rifle? If you are within four miles of town you could hole about forty buildings with one shot if you miss the gopher.


28 posted on 12/14/2007 5:25:49 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: Nova

The concept is known as a balance of power.


29 posted on 12/14/2007 5:26:50 PM PST by Nova
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To: vpintheak

You stole my thunder, and are correct but left some thing out...the Constitution says that we have the right to keep and bear arms...it does not say however, how many or what type of arms...the purpose of which was in the event the “guvmint” needed an attitude adjustment


30 posted on 12/14/2007 5:29:22 PM PST by StnCldTruth (A gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone !!!!)
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To: Billthedrill
rumpus room ...

Now there's a name I haven't heard in a while...
Makes me think of Hellarys back side...((((full body twitch))))

31 posted on 12/14/2007 5:29:45 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()... Cevapi & Slivovitz for everyone....()
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To: PROCON
I sure did see a lot of these Mossbergs at Balad/Anaconda:


32 posted on 12/14/2007 5:30:17 PM PST by angkor ("There! half man, half bear, and half pig! Do you see it?!." Al Gore, South Park 11.12)
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To: RightWhale

I think it’s about 2000 meters. I don’t actually live close to town but I could sure trash a couple of my neighbor’s houses all right...if I got the elevation juuuuust right... ;-)


33 posted on 12/14/2007 5:30:57 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: holymoly

What is interesting is when the Brady Campaign was still doing business as Hangun Control Inc.(1981), they put out a statement that they had no interest in controling long guns, only handguns.

At that time you could get new full auto registered firearms, imported AK-47s and a whole slew of semi-auto military style rifles not abailable today.


34 posted on 12/14/2007 5:32:49 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: PROCON

Check out Wikipedia under Stoner.


35 posted on 12/14/2007 5:32:54 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: holymoly

You have my nomination for the most informative homepage of any current or past FReeper.........Nice job!

I’ve bookkmarked it for future references...........


36 posted on 12/14/2007 5:34:05 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Visions of sugarplums dancing in your head are probably caused by bad drugs.....)
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To: StnCldTruth
"the purpose of which was in the event the “guvmint” needed an attitude adjustment"

Ah, and therein lies the answer. We obviously need the use of the same caliber of weapon that our "guvmint" plans to use against us. The Right would otherwise be meaningless...

37 posted on 12/14/2007 5:36:15 PM PST by Nova
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To: doc1019

Wonder if I could get a fully loaded Abrams ???
Sure would clear the traffic outta the way...= )


38 posted on 12/14/2007 5:36:32 PM PST by StnCldTruth (A gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone !!!!)
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To: holymoly
I always kind of wanted one of these...
39 posted on 12/14/2007 5:37:13 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Billthedrill

Oooooh - dot's nice.

40 posted on 12/14/2007 5:40:33 PM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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