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Mom threatened with jail for teaching kids at home
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | December 16, 2007 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 12/16/2007 5:12:57 AM PST by Man50D

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To: RetiredArmy; metmom; Amelia; Wallace T.; PeteB570
Yes, and as the Marxist’s consolidate power after the 2008 elections, Hillary or Obama appoint more Marxist judges, the Congress passes more hate laws and anti-whatever laws, the government will take over every aspect of your life. This nation will simply cease to be as founded and we will simply become the Soviet States of Amerika. ( Retired Army)

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WINNER! Give this man a prize!

Marxism is our nation’s MOST serious threat. And,,,our government K-12 schools and our nation’s universities and colleges are the Marxists’ MOST important weapon! We can survive a nuclear suitcase bomb but we will not survive if Marxist educators succeed in indoctrinating the voters who go to the polls to vote for Marxists who will appoint Marxist judges.

Government school defenders would like us to think of government schools as warm and fuzzy places. In reality, though, government schools are like the movie “Gremlins”. They looked sooooo cute in the beginning, didn’t they?

Retired Army is completely and totally right, as Marxists consolidate power we can expect to see more of this, and we can expect the Marxist government schools to get even more aggressive in their pressure on parents and in the content of their indoctrination.

Why are the American people sooooo asleep on this??? Why aren’t Rush and Hannity hammering on this EVERY DAY??? ( yes! I am shouting. It is an emergency!)

“Compulsory government schooling” means that government employees have the power to send out armed police, court orders, and foster care workers. If the parent or child refuses to cooperate, armed police will arrest and imprison them. If they were foolish enough to seriously resist, the police will kill them. ( Real bullets in those guns on the hip!)

Hm...When thought about in this what the image of polished apples on the teacher’s desk changes a bit, doesn’t it? More like the apple offered by the wicked witch to Snow White.

The parents do have an out though! They can **ransom** their kids from the government school gremlins by paying private school and homeschooling expenses. It seems though that in this woman’s case it would have been better to send the “ransom” notice by registered mail, or in person with a demand for a written receipt.

It is too bad. the status of the dad is unclear in this article. My friends in Utah say that judges in that state are very hard on single moms. When that mom says, “lose custody”, I suspect that it means the dad will take over.

21 posted on 12/16/2007 8:19:27 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Man50D
Heck, this is nuthin. In Utah, we usually like to execute our home schoolers.
22 posted on 12/16/2007 8:48:15 AM PST by frankenMonkey (101st Army Dad)
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To: TWohlford; Amelia
"This is all because the school district says they never received my 2006-2007 homeschool affidavit. I have a copy of the signed affidavit. I have already received my exemption for the 2007-2008 school year," she said.
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She said she had received a confirmation the fax to the school was received when she sent it, but likes to clean out her paperwork before the start of a new school year, and apparently had disposed of it.

Let's see, she kept the affidavit that she signed and threw away the confirmation that makes her case. Then she says that she has received an exemption this year. It sounds like more than a fax confirmation. Obviously she didn't get one last year and never followed up as to why. She's been homeschooling for ten years,. Homeschooling is not being attacked, her actions are.

There is a good chance that this woman is in over her head. Four or five kids and probably not much of a support system, until now. Hopefully she can get the help she needs to pull it together.

23 posted on 12/16/2007 8:56:33 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: PeteB570

A paper trail to bureaucrats is like garlic to vampires.

I’d like so read something much more in depth on this, WND is proficient at leaving out select details.


24 posted on 12/16/2007 9:03:53 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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PS You know their is a problem with the facts when WND invokes the “Nazi logic” argument to incite emotion.


25 posted on 12/16/2007 9:16:31 AM PST by RGSpincich
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there=their=they’re....whatever


26 posted on 12/16/2007 9:23:54 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: metmom

While your idea of getting the school system’s secretarial stamp on the documents and getting yourself a copy of the stamped documents seems a better idea, if you were ever pressed in court, and the school system held that they never received the documents, your photocopy wouldn’t necessarily hold up as evidence or even be accepted as evidence by the court.

Sending documentation through certified insured return receipt is probably the safest way possible to make sure you have a solid paper trail for your documentation. I’ve never heard of such not being accepted as evidence in a court of law.

I’m talking through experience with HIPAA insurance compliance, and the guidelines that the insurance companies and the states Insurance Departments/Commissions send out to people dealing with HIPAA paperwork.


27 posted on 12/16/2007 10:01:45 AM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: metmom
Whether he was in trouble with the law or not is irrelevant to the school’s losing the paperwork.

She says the school lost the paperwork, but she's apparently not able to show that she actually turned it in either.

Now I don't know. Maybe she did turn it in as she said she did, and maybe the school did lose it.

What it sounds like to me - and we're only getting her side here - is that at least one child had too little supervision, and thus got the attention of the police, who began to wonder why he was unsupervised.

I will admit that it's speculation, based on an article which has only one side, and too little information.

29 posted on 12/16/2007 2:09:45 PM PST by Amelia
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To: SIDENET

Perfect picture!


30 posted on 12/16/2007 2:17:21 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

The HSLDA will frag these people, no worries.
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Unfortunately, she is not a member.


31 posted on 12/16/2007 2:18:37 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: PeteB570

I hand deliver my home school forms also every year. I also ask for copies and for them to be notarized. Never had any problems. I keep our papers in the glove compartment of the car in case we are every questioned for being out during traditional school hours.


32 posted on 12/16/2007 2:19:18 PM PST by imjustme
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To: Wallace T.
the woman is foolish not to have joined HSLDA or another group with prepaid legal counsel available

There are those of us who do not join the HSLDA - I am one of them. I disagree with some of the things that they are proponents of, and I also have read enough horror stories about how the HSLDA uses cases for the "greater good of all homeschoolers" rather than necessarily for the good of the family involved. Generally, those things may be the same, but not always. And if you sign their paperwork, you agree to allow them to represent you as they see fit, not according to what you believe is best for your family.

33 posted on 12/16/2007 2:19:48 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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To: JerseyHighlander; metmom

My method was to hand-deliver the paperwork, and have a separate paper with the words “Received on behalf of [school district] home-schooling affidavit for [child’s name]”, then asked the school’s secretary put signature, title, and date on the receipt. Also had them sign a receipt for the work portfolio we’re supposed to hand in at end of year


34 posted on 12/16/2007 2:25:14 PM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: StarCMC
I am not a member of HSLDA either.
A couple of years ago someone reported that my daughter had not been to school in a couple of years.
I informed DHS that my daughter had not been in public school for 8 years and that she is being home schooled legally under our state law. I also went down to the DHS office to show them my papers.
The whole thing was dropped that day.

As long as state laws are followed there should not be any problems.
35 posted on 12/16/2007 2:25:55 PM PST by imjustme
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To: Amelia
What it sounds like to me - and we’re only getting her side here - is that at least one child had too little supervision, and thus got the attention of the police, who began to wonder why he was unsupervised.

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If this is the case, sending him to government school will make his social situation much worse.

In **every** case of child who has had problems with drugs, delinquency, unmarried teen pregnancy, drugs,,,etc., when I have spoken to the parents, the parents say, “It was the friends they met in school!” Without a single exception!

This is true even in large families when all the other children are sterling, but one isn’t. (Same parents, but different results.) The one thing that **is** different are the friends met in government school.

The youngest sister of my son-in-law is heading in that direction now. It’s like watch a train wreck in slow motion. My son-in-law has done everything possible to convince his parents that homeschooling would lead to better results. The problem is that she is a good student, and has a good possibility of getting a scholarship ( like her 3 other siblings). Geeze! What some parents would do for a puny scholarship!

36 posted on 12/16/2007 2:28:12 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: StarCMC

I disagree with some of the things that they are proponents of,

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What are some of those things? (Just curious)


37 posted on 12/16/2007 2:33:29 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: PeteB570
My wife has learned. She now makes a copy of everything and gets the person she hands it to to date and sign our copy.

Your wife is doing what I do. There is no need to be rude or nasty, but there is every reason to treat homeschooling like a business. A business in which you keep good records. If it is an important piece of information, request a receipt. Cheerfully, politely request a receipt. I have never been denied and have never had a subsequent problem.

38 posted on 12/16/2007 2:43:56 PM PST by mountainbunny
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To: Amelia

But she has this year’s paperwork. Just not last year’s. How many years’ worth of paperwork should she keep?

I hope the HSLDA hears about this and goes to help her even if she’s not a member.


39 posted on 12/16/2007 2:51:12 PM PST by JenB
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To: imjustme; StarCMC

Do you have any other organizations you prefer or would recommend for legal representation instead of HSLDA?


40 posted on 12/16/2007 3:33:08 PM PST by ZGuy (Everyone who goes to public school is a victim.)
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