Congress bans incandescent bulbs

WorldNetDaily ^ | December 19, 2007` | WorldNetDaily

[kc8ukw]

In addition to raising auto fuel efficiency standards 40 percent, an energy bill passed by Congress yesterday bans the incandescent light bulb by 2014.

President Bush signed the 822-page measure into law today after it was sent up Pennsylvania Avenue in a Toyota Prius hybrid vehicle. The House passed the bill by a 314-100 vote after approval by the Senate last week.

[zeugma]

Exactly. This would not have passed a Republican Congress.

Another dreamer I see. 

[rb22982]

Bought 4 of these new bulbs on sale Sat. Wife put one in bathroom Monday morning. Monday night it was dead. Put another one in Monday night. So far, it is still working but it will need to work for 3 years to make up the difference in costs for 2 of these expensive bulbs.

#1 If you paid more than $1.25 for them, you paid too much. I wouldn't call that expensive
#2 Take it back and get an exchange if you really had one die that fast. I would still be willing to bet the # of duds you'd get from incandescents is far higher than CFLs.
#3 They really do save a ton of money. My electric bill is down on average 20% in the 4 months I've been using them and I've only replaced 2/3 of my bulbs so far. They paid for themselves in their first month.

[rb22982]

If you ever had an old thermometer, you would need 100 CFLs to equal the mercury in one of those. The new CFL lighting colors are not different than a normal bulb. CFL costs and technology has come a long way in the last 5 years. LEDs, once the price drops, will be far better.

[Darnright]

So just what are we supposed to put in chandeliers, for instance? How about closed light fixtures? Those energy savers aren’t supposed to be used in those applications.

Congress. Just when you think their ratings couldn’t possibly go lower...

[rb22982]

My evidence is anecdotal, but significant, and I have found the claims of CFL life to be greatly exaggerated. Upon further reading, I’ve learned that they only last if you turn them on and leave them on. Ons and offs significantly reduce their lifespan

I promise you the anecdotal evidence against dud incandescents is WORSE than CFLs. I work for a retail company with 77 current locations and I can tell you regular light bulbs frequently dud in a day probably 5% of the time, and we replace them all about once every 3 months on average. The on/off thing is true off all lighting including incandescents. A lot of 'truths' about CFLs a few years ago are no longer true of new ones (color is a lot better, the last longer, less mercury per bulb, no longer noisy)

[Kevmo]

California also “mandated” that 2% of the cars sold in that state would be zero emission by 2004 or so. Never happened. You can’t mandate innovation.

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts

[maine-iac7]

on the link

“”Physical entry of the home is the chief evil against which the wording of the Fourth Amendment is directed.” — Payton vs. New York (US Supreme Court), 445 U.S. 573, 585 (1980).”

[zeugma]

The republican party is the stupid party. The democrat party is the evil party.

Thanks. Between stupid and evil, I'm ready to nuke washington from orbit.

[rb22982]

The critics often cite the recent story of a resident of Ellsworth, Maine, who amassed a clean-up bill of more than 2,000 U.S. dollars by shattering a single CFL in her home. The story originally appeared in the Ellsworth American and quickly spread to other newspapers, such as Canada's National Post and the Washington Times.

But the enormous bill came about as a result of bad advice—a fact often omitted in follow-ups to the original article.

"There's a lot of misleading information out there," said Joel Hogue, president of Elemental Services and Consulting, an Ohio-based company specializing in the cleanup of sites contaminated with mercury. "But when people learn the facts, the level of hysteria dies down."

Like with many other household products, Hogue said, the use of CFLs requires some commonsense precautions. But if a bulb breaks, his company's clean-up services are not required.

In other words, the $2,000 clean up was not necessary but bad advice given by someone who didn't know better.

LINK

[LtKerst]

Note to self:

Buy more ammo
Buy lightbulbs

Kill a spotted owl and eat it
cut down a Huge Redwood tree
wear real Fur coats in winter
drive a Humvee even if the trip is 3 blocks
date only thin blond republicans
don’t recycle anything
smoke cigars where ever you want.
call all women ( except Mom) “babe”
tape long semi-automatic rifle magazines together,for quick changes

[maine-iac7]

I’m surprised we don’t have to pay a disposable fee.

What make you think you wont?

We have to pay a fee to dispose of other hazardous wastes - you don't think the individual states are going to absorb the costs/

[rmh47]

WOW!! Those EXPENSIVE GENERAL ELECTRIC light bulbs that have MERCURY in them and have to be DISPOSED of ONLY in a certain way!! GE must have DONATED MILLIONS to these LOSERS!

Everybody in the lighting business sells these. Sylvania is a big seller of them. There are others, as well.

As someone already pointed out on this thread, most, if not all, of them are made in China.

[packrat35]

Old bulbs cost 20 cents each and last 3-6 months. These new bulbs cost $1.50 each. Do the math and figure out which is cheaper.

[devere]

According to news stories, GE was the only big company who opposed the law, on grounds of consumer sovereignty. Maybe they’re smart enough to smell the backlash coming.

[maine-iac7]

start stocking up on 100W bulbs

That's what I'm doing - I can't afford to save this kind of money -

http://ellsworthmaine.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7446&Itemid=31

[maine-iac7]

http://ellsworthmaine.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7446&Itemid=31

[rb22982]

You can buy new bulbs for $1-$1.25. Anything more than that you just aren’t looking closely. Old bulbs were about 40 cents last time I was at Walmart. But even using your 20 cents at an average, at an average of 4.5 month per bulb (which would be generous in my house) would break even with a CFL in about 2 1/2 years. Average CFL will last 3-5 in most houses now. That also ignores the fact that you’ll save 75% on energy each and every month. I’ll save about $300-$350 this year on my electric bill due to CFLs (based on my last 4 months of use since I switched 2/3 of my bulbs (none of my CFLs have gone out, I had 4 incandecents die in that time out of my remaining 10).

[maine-iac7]

They state the bulbs last 5 years....had one in the bath that died at 6 months

This lady had one that 'died' while she was putting it in - gonna cost her $2,000

http://ellsworthmaine.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7446&Itemid=31

[rb22982]

This lady had one that 'died' while she was putting it in - gonna cost her $2,000

Sigh, see post 269

[dr_lew]

The new CFL lighting colors are not different than a normal bulb.

I dispute this. The CFL's emit a line spectrum, and this may be balanced to give an equivalent in some sort of scalar average, but the lines are bound to interact with the reflective properties of various materials in different ways than the continuous spectrum of an incandescent bulb.

BTW, I have a diffraction grating mounted in a "slide" frame ( remember them? ) and it's an easy matter to hold it up to my eye and make casual spectral observations of various sources.

( When I tell my wife, "I'm going up to the corner to look at the traffic lights," she becomes quite concerned that I'll absent-mindedly wander into traffic. )