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Supporters: 'Bhutto was targeted using laser beam'
-Economic Times, India ^ | January 2, 2008 | -Economic Times, India

Posted on 01/05/2008 11:21:01 AM PST by captain anode

ISLAMABAD: The controversy over former premier Benazir Bhutto's assassination has taken another turn with a section of her Pakistan People's Party (PPP) claiming she was targeted with sophisticated "laser beam technology".

Bhutto's wounds were caused not by bullets but by some sort of laser weapon, 'The Nation' newspaper said quoting sources in the PPP.

When Bhutto was admitted to Rawalpindi General Hospital shortly after the fatal attack on her on December 27, doctor Musaddiq Khan, who treated her, told a PPP leader that he had seen "such a case for the first time in his life", sources said.

Bhutto's wounds were not caused by bullets and she had died before reaching the hospital. A part of her brain and blood had spilled out from her head, they quoted the doctor as saying.

The sources also claimed both the gunshots and the bomb blast in the attack on Bhutto "were a decoy to hide the real shooters".

The paper further quoted the sources as saying that the militant leader Baitullah Mehsud and the Taliban, blamed for her assassination by the government, did not have such technology.

Mehsud had sent two messages to Bhutto after the suicide bombing of her motorcade in Karachi on October 19 in which he said that he had no hostility against her and would not make any attempt to kill her, they said.

The PPP sources said after the suicide attack, the "ambulance also picked up a dead body behind the stage of Liaquat Bagh", the venue of an election rally that Bhutto had addressed.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bhutto; laser; targeted
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To: Jeff Chandler

Yeah, they’re not like us modern, sophisticated, enlightened populations.

We only believe that the earth god is displeased with all of our exhaling.


Only a small percentage of Americans really believe Al Gore’s BS. And the number is shrinking daily.


61 posted on 01/05/2008 2:48:30 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: dfwgator

Silly hoax story.


62 posted on 01/05/2008 2:57:22 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: redpoll

The history of the world is, after all, the history of conspiracy. The amazing thing is that “conspiracy theorist” has become a code used to discredit investigators. The word conspiracy only means that at least two people were involved, which is quite common in assassinations.


63 posted on 01/05/2008 3:19:19 PM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Sender

60W?! Crap...you could probably burn your fingernails off with that! :-)


65 posted on 01/05/2008 4:56:12 PM PST by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Only a small percentage of Americans really believe Al Gore’s BS.

It is official dogma in every school in America. It is what we are teaching our young people.

66 posted on 01/05/2008 5:03:24 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
It is what we are teaching our young people.

I attended a “Detroit Publik Skewl.” I could tell when they tried to feed me BS. Don’t be surprised when these kids push back.

67 posted on 01/05/2008 5:14:49 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: RipSawyer

>>>The history of the world is, after all, the history of conspiracy. The amazing thing is that “conspiracy theorist” has become a code used to discredit investigators. The word conspiracy only means that at least two people were involved, which is quite common in assassinations.<<<

Your point is well taken. However, the idea that there is a widespread secret cabal with plans of worldwide domination is another thing completely. My experience is that once any conspiracy gets beyond one person, it’s public knowledge.

Which reminds me of an interview I saw of Alfred Hitchcock on Merv Griffin, back in the early 1980s. Merv asked Hitchcock if he knew about the perfect murder.

Hitchcock waited a long time, and then said in a long slow voice, “Yes.”

Merv said, “Well, tell me about it.”

Hitchcock replied, “If I told you, it would no longer be perfect.”


68 posted on 01/05/2008 5:59:17 PM PST by redpoll
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To: F15Eagle
You are not getting it. There isn't the slightest evidence of any kind that anything laser-ee has anything to do with any of it in any fashion. But the paranoids want the evil Mushie and evil furreners to be behind it all, so they make up utter star wars fantasies of evil empire assasins, out of whole cloth. The only underlying shred is that no bullet was found in the wound - no doubt because it blew a piece of her head off and kept going.
69 posted on 01/06/2008 1:37:44 AM PST by JasonC
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To: RipSawyer
No, it really is not in that narrow sense that it is used or meant.

Ideological explanations simplify the world and put the white hats and the black hats in definite places. They do so on purpose, to orient bodies of men politically, to make certain definite others their primary enemies and set them against those others. Ideologies weave great webs of prediction and explanation around these taught causes.

Then any event in reality itself occurs. Since the ideology was not embraced for its truth but for its political effects - and even if it hadn't been, error, shortsightedness, etc would crop up anyway - the truth of the event and the prior ideological prediction or expectations set for events like that, do not match. To any objective, outside observor, the ideology was flat wrong about some particular. Often a trivial one, occasionally a crucial one.

Three responses are then possible. The healthy one is to acknowledge that the whole thing was only a partial perspective to start with, that reality and history and human life are always messier than presented, and to accept the truth about each incident. A second, less healthy reaction is to strive for consistency and coverage by modifying the ideology or its prediction. This at least maintains contact between reality and what is taught. It can be seen as learning - though it tends toward the epicyclic (inventing numerous fresh and ad hoc explanations to save older, unsound ones).

The third reaction is borderline psychotic - change the accepted reality. Instead of accepting the new fact and keeping the old theory but not taking it too seriously, or accepting the new fact and updating the theory, the subject denies the fact to save the theory. A new replacement fact must be constructed to mask the upsetting one. Since the reason for the whole procedure was to save an ideological theory in the first place - to keep the hat colors unchanged - the new replacement fact will be perfectly compatible with the old theory.

We say, the theory has been immunized against reality. We say, the cognative process has been suspended. We say, the subject is no longer willing to live in the real world, and prefers a more consistent fiction, to avoid having to modify prior opinions.

In the present case, the PPP was fighting Mushie politically. It had dressed Mushie up as the big bad, and presented the whole struggle as one of the glorious heroic common people against the evil undemocratic dictator. In fact, their champion was killed by violent men who have previously tried to kill that dictator on multiple occasions, and against whom that dictator is fighting. But to admit this, the PPP would have to admit that there are good things about Mushie or at least others who are worse.

And it flat doesn't want to.

Just as Dems in the US never want to believe anything good about George Bush, because doing so would put at risk the justice of their own past venom toward him, the PPP is unwilling to admit the existence of any evil in Pakistani political life that is not Mushie's fault.

So they pretend, and it is sheer "let's pretend", that Mushie is behind the death of their heroine. Once that has been decided, numerous other points of contact with reality have to be moved to accomodate it. Mushie cannot long remain what he clearly is, a beseiged general with vanishing political support, trying to do what he thinks his country needs. Oh no, that is the wrong hat color. It can't be true in the slightest particular, about anything.

Well, then instead he will become some superhuman malevolent force. Once the attributes being ascribed to him (or any boogie man) transcend reality and defy normal experience, it will become more consistent to ascribe fantastic powers to him, than realistic failings. As all evil is traced to an enemy, that enemy takes on the dimensions of the source of all evil, and becomes as supernatural as any medieval devil.

This can be seen in country after country, century after century. It is a standing possibility of human insanity, prompted not by any biographical silliness of this or that individual, but by the consistency needs of ideologies that were too far from reality at the outset. That is why they collided with it violently. To react to the evident failure of an ideology with the third psychotic response remains optional, but some will take the option. You can bank on it. What varies is how many rank and file follow the leading nutjobs off into fantasy-consistency land.

70 posted on 01/06/2008 2:05:40 AM PST by JasonC
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To: hiredhand
60W would burn through a piece of wood, although not instantly. The kind of "laser bullet" wound they are claiming on Bhutto wouldn't happen.

The one I was using was a surgical laser, and an industrial laser would no doubt be better at cutting things. I just don't think any believable laser would spill someone's brains from a distance. Maybe in Star Wars.

Jack*ss disclaimer: All powerful lasers will definitely blind you if you aren't careful. You can't see the beam on a CO2 laser, so you'd better wear the goggles and not do anything stupid.

71 posted on 01/06/2008 4:55:04 AM PST by Sender (Feel like, I feel like a poke chop san'wich)
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To: rwgal

Interesting you should mention Cindy. Haven’t seen or heard much from her lately, and that is fine by me.


72 posted on 01/06/2008 4:58:40 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: do the dhue

supporting a smooth talking, snot nosed politicians because he would be the first African American to be President.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The part that really galls me is that he wouldn’t even be that! He is at least half caucasian, he could as easily call himself a white man as an “African American”. If he were only ten percent white he would still call himself “African American”. It is sickening.


73 posted on 01/06/2008 6:16:06 AM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: redpoll

“However, the idea that there is a widespread secret cabal with plans of worldwide domination is another thing completely.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You doubt that?


74 posted on 01/06/2008 6:20:01 AM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: JasonC

“No, it really is not in that narrow sense that it is used or meant.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Later on we’ll conspire
as we dream by the fire
to face unafraid
the plans that we made
walkin’ in a winter wonderland


75 posted on 01/06/2008 6:27:10 AM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: RipSawyer
How about this one?

listening to the demoratic debate is like listening to a fingernail and a chalkboard mating.

How about that?

76 posted on 01/06/2008 7:40:22 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: Sender
Good info...thanks! This leaves me wondering....WHY would they even report such unmittigated B.S.? This rates right up there with the crap that the MSM pushes down the throats of the the sheeple about the "deadly effectiveness of the AK-47 and how its bullet can kill a man up to five miles away!"

Except this is worse! I'm just wondering why they would even say something like this. There's three reasons really -

1. They're just way off track and grasping at straws.
2. They really DO believe this B.S. and have therefore reported it as such.
3. It's a ruse to distract from the truth of the matter.

...but they should have come up with something a little more believeable. Too many people know too much about lasers. I'm not one of them, but I do know perfectly well that there's nothing out there that will do what they said it did....burn a hole through a human head from a "safe" (couple of hundred yards perhaps?) distance.
77 posted on 01/06/2008 11:36:07 AM PST by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: hiredhand
The US military probably has experimental lasers that could fry someone from a distance. They have the MIRACL ground-based laser that can fry missiles and aircraft from a distance. They have the airborne laser in a 747 that can fry missiles and aircraft from a distance. I'm sure the Russians have capable laser weapons too. But all these things are huge, complex, billion-dollar monsters that would not be found on the 50cc motorbike of an assasin in Pakistan.

Bhutto either got shot or hit by shrapnel. It's that simple. She's dead, Jim.

79 posted on 01/06/2008 1:45:15 PM PST by Sender (Feel like, I feel like a poke chop san'wich)
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To: Sender

I agree...she died from projectile trauma, or from the force of the blast. They sure did try to run a lot of rabbit trails with their stories about her hitting her head on the latch, and how there were no bullet holes, and then there were bullet holes. ...seems like somebody trying to confuse, or cover up. Either way, she’s dead....and we’re not likely to find out “who-dunnit”.


80 posted on 01/06/2008 2:21:57 PM PST by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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