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If there's no FRed and no Hunter and we're left with the four headless RINOs, then what?
January 10, 2008 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 01/10/2008 3:40:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson

The question was posed to me last night, if the only two conservatives in the race were to drop out, leaving the hapless RINOs Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee and McCain to ward off the Evil Witch of the East then, Jim, what do we do?

Well, I think four issues that most of us conservatives will agree on that are at the top or near the top of our priority lists are National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life should be considered. We can argue all day long on whether or not these guys are constitutionally minded, small government fiscal conservatives, and I don't believe any of them are, but we'll leave that for another day. Let's concentrate on National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life.

Well, I can see right off that that rules out Rudy, the draft dodging, gun grabbing, sanctuary city abortionist. At least the other three claim to be pro-life, although Romney has been a pro-choice abortionist for all of his elected history until he decided to run for president. I think Romney's pro choice, big government nanny state (RomneyCare) record gives him two big black eyes and should knock him out of any further consideration. That leaves Huckabee and McCain.

Now, all four of these guys are terrible on border security even though they're all claiming now to be border hawks. McCain led the charge for amnesty and the rest fell in line like dutiful RINO troopers. Can't really make a distinction among these guys on the border issue. All fail, though I think most conservatives would rank McCain at or near the bottom.

Guns. Rudy's definitely out. McCain's out. Romney's not much better. Guess Huckabee the big duck hunter outshoots the others in this category.

Rudy fails in all categories, McCain and Romney fail on guns, and all fail on borders. So I guess Huckabee has more to offer over the others at this point as he is at least pro-life and pro-gun.

Now comes national defense. Sorry, but I can't see the draft dodging, gun grabbing, gay loving, cross-dressing, illegal alien pandering abortion activist Rudy Giuliani as a very appealing or effective guy to head up our military, even if he did make some rousing anti-terrorist speeches on 9/11. The "gays should be allowed to serve openly in the military" Romney (no military or national security experience that I know of) doesn't give me goosebumps either.

So, again, we're down to Huckabee and McCain. Now you all know that I like Huckabee as he is a likable fellow, and I hate McCain, but wait. If the whole shebang is going to be decided on which of the still standing Republican wannabes should defend America from the terrorists and the surrendering Democrats, I think I'll have to go with McCain over Huckabee. At least McCain served in the military and has a whole lot more military and national security experience while serving on various committees in the senate than does Huckabee. Huckabee has none. And I doubt Huckabee can defeat Hillary. But then, McCain probably won't either, so guess that leaves plan B. Squat down, tuck your head down between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.

Here's praying that the only two all around consistently reliable conservatives hang in there and one of them gets the nod.

Go Hunter!! Go, FRed, GO!!


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To: mtbopfuyn
We ban together and take over Mexico for ourselves?

Dude!!! That's not a bad idea! It's warm there, no winters. Half of them are here and the military's corrupt. We could bribe them out of fighting back with just pocket change. It's not illegal for us as US citizens to plot to overthrow their government, so we can discuss it openly and plan thoroughly.

Brilliant!

41 posted on 01/10/2008 3:52:02 PM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: JOE6PAK

I’ll FRink to that.


42 posted on 01/10/2008 3:52:17 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson
By the way, for our moonbat friends, sorry the anti-war surrender monkey Ron Paul is totally unqualified to be Commander-in-chief. He's out

NEVER!

43 posted on 01/10/2008 3:52:45 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Seahawks should have went South for the winter - instead they're coming to Lambeau!)
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To: Jim Robinson
If McCain succeeds in getting amnesty, it is game, set, and match for the United States. Unfortunately, people don't understand what the impact of amnesty will mean for this country. It is a national security issue and our survival as a nation.

AMNESTY IS FOREVER

The Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CIR) bill [S. 2611] that passed in the Senate in 2006 with the support of Presidential candidates Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain contained provisions that would have legalized the status of the overwhelming majority of the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country, i.e., amnesty, and provided them with a path to citizenship. The House never voted on the bill and it died.

Undaunted, in 2007 Senators McCain and Kennedy together with a small group of other senators circumvented the normal committee debate process and introduced directly into the Senate for a vote another CIR bill [S. 1348] that actually expanded the number of illegal aliens who would be rewarded with amnesty beyond the 2006 bill. They would be allowed to stay and work here after meeting certain conditions, e.g., pay fines, learn to speak English, understand American civics, etc., that mirrored similar provisions contained in the 1986 amnesty bill. And, as was the case in 1986, the illegal aliens would be offered a path to citizenship. The major difference is that President Reagan called the 1986 bill what it was, a one-time amnesty. The proponents of the proposed 2007 McCain-Kennedy CIR bill denied, and continue to deny, that their bill is amnesty.

The American people were not fooled by the Orwellian use of language to disguise what was being proposed. Despite strong-arm tactics to limit debate and amendments and to force a hurried vote, the 2007 CIR bill was defeated procedurally due to an unprecedented [and huge] public outcry that clearly had an effect on Senators’ votes. The American people have spoken, but Presidential candidates Clinton, Obama, Edwards, McCain, Giuliani, and Huckabee still call for legalizing the status of most of the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens, i.e., amnesty, which would be an unmitigated disaster for this country.

The irrevocable decision to legalize the status of the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens would have direct and immediate consequences on the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who will be authorized entry as a result of this change of status. Robert Rector of The Heritage Foundation estimated that the 2006 CIR bill would have resulted in an additional 66 million legal immigrants over the next 20 years due to existing chain migration policies that allow legal permanent residents to sponsor family members for entry as part of family reunification. And the figure of 66 million is based on the conservative Census Bureau estimate of 11.9 million illegal aliens. and does not include the current annual intake of over a million legal immigrants. The numbers are staggering.

In analyzing the 2007 CIR bill, Rector stated, “ The main fiscal impact of S. 1348 will occur through two mechanisms: (1) the grant of amnesty, with accompanying access to Social Security, Medicare and welfare benefits, to 12 million illegal immigrants who are overwhelmingly low skilled; and (2) a dramatic increase in chain immigration, which will also be predominantly low skilled.”

“The bottom line is that high school dropouts are extremely expensive to U.S. taxpayers. It does not matter whether the dropout comes from Ohio, Tennessee, or Mexico. It does matter that the Senate immigration bill would increase the future flow of poorly educated immigrants into the U.S. and grant amnesty and access to government benefits to millions of poorly educated illegal aliens already here. Such legislation would inevitably impose huge costs on U.S. taxpayers.” Heritage research has concluded that the cost of amnesty alone will be $2.6 trillion once the amnesty recipients reach retirement age.

In 1986 the U. S. Government estimated that one million people would apply for amnesty. The number turned out to be 2.7 million. If the current number of illegal aliens is closer to the 2005 Bear-Stearns report estimate of 20 million, the demographic and economic impact of amnesty will be exponentially greater than that estimated for an illegal alien population of 12 million. Without having reliable data on how many illegal aliens are in the country, it would be totally irresponsible to pass legislation that would grant legal status to untold millions regardless of the numbers. It is not the way to make good public policy.

President Reagan’s Attorney General, Ed Meese, stated, “The lesson from the 1986 experience is that such an amnesty did not solve the problem. There was extensive document fraud, and the number of people applying for amnesty far exceeded projections. And there was a failure of political will to enforce new laws against employers. After a brief slowdown, illegal immigration returned to high levels and continued unabated, forming the nucleus of today’s large population of illegal aliens. So here we are, 20 years later, having much the same debate and being offered much the same deal.”

Amnesty has a corrosive effect on the rule of law and is grossly unfair to the millions who have followed the rules and are waiting their turn overseas to enter legally. What kind of message does amnesty send to them and the many millions more who would like to enter the United States? Rewarding those who have entered our country illegally and broken our laws in multiple ways e.g., ID theft, tax evasion, misuse of social security numbers, etc., will just encourage more people to enter our country illegally so they can take advantage of the next amnesty.

In addition to the huge costs associated with amnesty, there are national security concerns. An amnesty will make it easier for alien terrorists to operate in the United States by allowing them to fraudulently create “secure” ID’s with ease. We would be conferring blanket legal status to millions of unknown and unknowable persons, thereby facilitating the movement and access of terrorists who entered the country illegally.

With a stroke of a pen, the legalization of the status of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens— plus the tens of millions more who will join them later legally—will have a profound and negative impact on this country for many generations to come. The efforts of state and local governments to control and limit the costs associated with illegal immigration would be undone overnight. And the burden on the taxpayer will increase. Amnesty is not an action that can be taken lightly or be reversed. Amnesty is forever.

44 posted on 01/10/2008 3:52:56 PM PST by kabar
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To: Jim Robinson

Sorry, but I don’t “settle” And although I’m willing to compromise, not with my principles thank you!. I intend to cast my vote for Fred, even if I have to write it in...


45 posted on 01/10/2008 3:52:58 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: Jim Robinson

In that scenario, I’m an undervote on the POTUS line.


46 posted on 01/10/2008 3:53:00 PM PST by Petronski (Slick Willard LOVES government mandates. He said so himself.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

We ban together and take over Mexico for ourselves?

Maybe make our last stand in Montana


47 posted on 01/10/2008 3:53:19 PM PST by lookout88 (proud special forces dad.)
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To: mnehrling

You’ll all take notice that the PARTY itself (The RNC) seems to be sitting this one out??

Other than a few attacks on “Democrats” in general, they really are not supporting any one candidate as a whole, while on the Democrat side, they seem to be doing EVERYTHING to make sure Hillary gets the nomination...

In 200, GW was the “Chosen” of the Party elites, while this time, it seems they have no favorite.

THIS IS A GOOD THING...


48 posted on 01/10/2008 3:53:55 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You'll look great in a Burka!)
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To: llevrok; Jim Robinson

“Vote third party and split the ticket. Hitlery wins.
Vote RINO and split our principles.”

I just cannot split my principles anymore.
If a RINO wins, the dims win, also.


49 posted on 01/10/2008 3:54:10 PM PST by dynachrome (Immigration without assimilation means the death of this nation~Captainpaintball)
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To: Jim Robinson
IMHO, there is an unholy alliance between Huckabee and McPain. Huck’s mission is to knock Fred and Mitt out and in return he probably gets VP from McPain.
50 posted on 01/10/2008 3:54:29 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Jim Robinson

Huckabee takes away anything Hillary can talk about, about Arkansas.

I hopet hey ALL stay in the race and the convention gets brokered.

Fred becomes quite attractive.


51 posted on 01/10/2008 3:54:57 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: Jim Robinson

I could probably hold my nose and vote for Mitt. I won’t vote for Huckabee or Rudy, and probably not McCain either.


52 posted on 01/10/2008 3:55:30 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: rockrr

I can’t think of anyone being there but Fred! I believe it will be Fred VS Hillary! GO FRED!


53 posted on 01/10/2008 3:55:35 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: Jim Robinson
I was actually just addressing this on another thread. What I posted was:

"Out of the choices YOU have left me, unfortunately, the only two that have demonstrated the knowledge and character to perform duties as commander-in-chief of our armed forces are McCain and Guiliani. Mitt in particular has shown a very alarming lack of knowledge concerning the proper application of military power to achieve political and military objectives. Of course even Huckabee and Romney would be unquestionably better suited than any Demoncrat candidate.

It is my great desire not to have to choose one of those liberal Republicans but if I had to vote for one of them, for the sake of those who serve our nation, I would support McCain."



U.S. Army Retired


54 posted on 01/10/2008 3:55:37 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (ROMNEY: "I LOVE MANDATES.")
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To: SolidWood
McCain is unstable, pushed CFR down our throats, opposed tax cuts, personal scandals, etc. His stand on amnesty and perks for illegal aliens proves that he has no love for this country and is willing to surrender it. I find him creepy and will drive too many voters to 3rd party or to stay at home. He will never win against Hillary. Fred has a much better chance.
55 posted on 01/10/2008 3:55:47 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Jim Robinson

When a conservative commits acts of socialism, he’s a centrist. When a liberal does it, he is overreaching, and the reason for this is the coalition of diametrically opposed interests that make up the D party.

Pelosi’s getting nothing done because all of the special interests want their cut NOW.

In the case of Unions and Greens, Unions want to build buildings, and Greens want the opposite. There are many examples of this on the Left.

I’m more willing to write in Thompson, knowing my vote isn’t going to ‘count’.

If I’m getting a liberal no matter what, better to get the real thing since the interests on the left are going to have their effects.

If OUR liberal gets in, there is no such pressure. In fact, when a RINO passes portions of the liberal agenda, they celebrate the fact that they did it, and THEN THEY USE IT AGAINST HIM IN THE NEXT ELECTION.

If I can’t get Thompson, I won’t vote for a Democrat, but I won’t vote for OUR Democrat either. Last thing I want is a RINO with a mandate to be a Centrist.

I’m happy to have the flaws in this contrarian line of thought full exposed. I welcome it, since its the only acceptible course I can find at this point.


56 posted on 01/10/2008 3:56:20 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: Jim Robinson
I go with the only candidate I would trust to nominate judges to courts and the only one that can be considered socially conservative and a strong support of the 2nd amendment -- Mike Huckabee.

I do believe that Huckabee has some conservative streaks on issues like taxes and national security and can be persuaded to be more conservative on those issues.

Giuliani splits the party and is unacceptable. The only difference between Giuliani and Romney is that Romney lies more.

And, we all know what a backstabber John McCain has been.

57 posted on 01/10/2008 3:56:20 PM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: kabar

McCain, Romney, Rudy and Huckabee are ALL pro-amnesty. Guess it’s plan B then.


58 posted on 01/10/2008 3:56:45 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The fight is not yet over.


59 posted on 01/10/2008 3:56:48 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: Jim Robinson
I have read that about half of all Federal Judges are on our side. We need to lock in 1/3 of the entire federal power structure, the Supreme Court. We are two justices away.

If the Dems get in, we get set back for a decade, maybe two.
If we( Conservatives ) get the Justices, we can undo a lot of the damage the Marxists have done for the past hundred years.

We can really reap in a few years.
I’ll support who ever is the Republican is, for the promise of the supremes.

60 posted on 01/10/2008 3:56:54 PM PST by Leisler
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