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Who Said Freddy's Dead? (Hope for Fredheads?)
Real Clear Politics ^ | January 24, 2008 | Kevin Stark

Posted on 01/24/2008 4:55:53 AM PST by Scarchin

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If McCain loses in Florida, the Republicans may well be headed to a deadlocked race and convention. And history teaches us that the likeliest candidate to emerge in that scenario is someone like Warren G. Harding: the prototypical, less-than-stellar candidate to which conventions turn when the going gets rough.

This year's Harding? Believe it or not (are you sitting down?), despite the fact that he's withdrawn from the race, is Fred Thompson.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


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To: Scarchin

Now they are tormenting us. Not nice.

I’m not gonna hold my breathe.


51 posted on 01/24/2008 6:41:18 AM PST by aj7360
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To: Scarchin
Who Said Freddy's Dead?

Curtis Mayfield?

52 posted on 01/24/2008 6:42:26 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: aj7360

I am going to vote for Fred, regardless of whether he is on the ballot.

Send the message.


53 posted on 01/24/2008 6:52:40 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (At kaki metumtam, Rudy McRomnabee)
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To: nuconvert

Would a two young guys ticket make you happy? Edwards & Obama? Age should be a non issue here.


54 posted on 01/24/2008 7:07:03 AM PST by toomuchcoffee
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To: Scarchin

Nice thought, but with the field narrowed down, I don’t think we’ll see a brokered convention unless Rudy can muster some enthusiasm and pick up some steam to compete with Rommey and McCain. Otherwise, it’ll be one of those two.


55 posted on 01/24/2008 7:25:14 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Geek Squad -- if you're desperate and don't need a PC for over a month, we'll get around to it.)
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To: toomuchcoffee

“Would a two young guys ticket make you happy?”

It isn’t what makes me happy that’s important. It’s what voters will vote for. People look for what they believe is a balanced ticket, and looks and age do come into play, whether you like it or not.
I’m just being realistic.


56 posted on 01/24/2008 7:33:57 AM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: nuconvert

2 old guys? Of the last ten presidents, only two were less than 54 when they were elected - JFK and Bill Clinton. Of course, Clinton’s second co-presidency would start when he is 61.5...oops. sorry, I forgot Carter who was a bit over 52. (G-d is great. He let me forget)

Less than one-third of our presidents were under 54 when first elected, and fewer than half were under 60 when they retired. It is not a young man’s job. The younger ones are not a really distinguished group (Clinton - 1st co-presidency, Kennedy, Garfield, Pierce, Polk) The one exception is the youngest - TR...but I don’t see a TR on the horizon, do you?

FRed is not older than the baby boomers, fellers. He just didn’t go the botox route.


57 posted on 01/24/2008 7:37:47 AM PST by womanvet (The lesser of two evils is still evil)
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To: EternalVigilance

Field?

Sorry - more like “out to pasture.”


58 posted on 01/24/2008 7:48:26 AM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: womanvet

The subject was McCain -who would be the oldest man elected, and Thompson, who would look like the oldest man elected. I’m sorry, but people vote with their eyes.
People like a balanced ticket, politically and physically.
I think A Romney/Thompson ticket would achieve that rather well (though I’m not a big fan of Romney)


59 posted on 01/24/2008 7:50:07 AM PST by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: MeanWestTexan

To whom?


60 posted on 01/24/2008 7:51:56 AM PST by Scarchin (Romney/Thompson 2008)
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To: Scarchin

For the least drastic step, in the primary, a 5 or 10% showing for Thompson (who has dropped out, mind you) would send a serious message to the machinery that we are pissed.

A more drastic measure (and one I will take) is a similar message against RINOs in general elections. Reasonable minds may disagree with the approach here, fearing DimRats — I, however, don’t care.


61 posted on 01/24/2008 7:54:56 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (At kaki metumtam, Rudy McRomnabee)
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To: nuconvert

I knew women vote with their eyes, but I thought men had brains.

Yes, when it comes to politics, I probably am a misogynist. How else do you explain the rise of JFK (hair), Carter (hair, Quayle (hair), Edwards (hair), Clinton (lip biting), Gore, Dukakis, Mondale (hair)?


62 posted on 01/24/2008 8:41:21 AM PST by womanvet (The lesser of two evils is still evil)
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To: Scarchin

Pride goes before destruction. Y’all might want to keep that in mind.


63 posted on 01/24/2008 8:47:08 AM PST by EternalVigilance (For America's Revival - Alan Keyes 2008 - "Alan, you stood tall." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Scarchin
All I can hope for is that idiot McVain gets his ass handed to him at the polls in Florida. (see new tagline)

Nam Vet

64 posted on 01/24/2008 9:07:23 AM PST by Nam Vet (I'd rather be waterboarded than vote for John McCain.)
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To: EternalVigilance
There’s only one conservative left in the GOP field: Dr. Alan Keyes.


65 posted on 01/24/2008 10:14:53 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: Scarchin

No. 1, I don’t think the establishment at the convention would select Fred.

No. 2, I don’t think Fred would accept. I don’t think he wanted it bad enough. No one who really is serious drops out after campaigning in only 2 primary states just because he came in 3rd. Look at Edwards and Huckabee. They are still trudging onward, even though their chances are slim. He should have stayed in for just 2 more weeks until Super Tuesday.

Hopefully, I’m totally wrong about all this, and I will be the first one to be glad if I am. I feel like there was a true conservative in the race, and then I woke up and found out that it was only a dream after all. I’m not taking this well at all.


66 posted on 01/24/2008 10:48:24 AM PST by murron
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To: Politicalmom; jellybean; Josh Painter; ejonesie22; papasmurf; Bobbisox; DesScorp; thefactor; ...
FRED PING!!
67 posted on 01/24/2008 11:21:58 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Since this has been a strange and unique political primary season, guess we shouldn’t rule out witness to a miracle. Hope springs eternal.
68 posted on 01/24/2008 11:33:30 AM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Scarchin

Fred winning the nomination in a brokered convention would be awesome.


69 posted on 01/24/2008 1:40:25 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: MeanWestTexan
For the least drastic step, in the primary, a 5 or 10% showing for Thompson (who has dropped out, mind you) would send a serious message to the machinery that we are pissed.

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I like that idea.

70 posted on 01/24/2008 1:43:48 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Michael has no idea what the base is thinking.

Too bad, cause he's been trying to be the party kingmaker by virtue of his name for some years now.

71 posted on 01/24/2008 1:46:12 PM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter
If he actually carried Reagan's DNA... he probably could. He has none of Reagan’s insight or political savvy.

LLS

72 posted on 01/24/2008 2:24:41 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote for?)
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To: romanesq
Who Said Freddy’s Dead? “Curtis Mayfield.”

Even to me, a Fred supporter, I have to admit; that’s funny.

We gotta laugh to keep from crying these days.

73 posted on 01/24/2008 2:28:21 PM PST by OB1kNOb (What a sad state of GOP affairs it has come to, picking a candidate as the lesser evil.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I feel that the most knowledgeable and patriotic people post here at FreeRepublic. How could we all be so wrong? This election season has been one of the most frustrating I have ever seen. Independents and Democrats voting in Republican primaries and pushing the most liberal candidates for the rest of the party to be stuck with.

I don’t blame FRED for getting out. FRED’s mother is ill and FRED knows what his priorities are. If it is meant to be that FRED is to be our President, it will be. GOD will see to it. I think the scenario described in this article are very plausible. I certainly cannot get excited about any of the rest left. Huckabee outlasted FRED, it does not seem possible. Duncan endorsed Huckabee?

WTFO?

74 posted on 01/24/2008 5:19:10 PM PST by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE FREEPER! [REPUBLICAN...don't know anymore?])
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To: Cincinatus

LMAO, you brought back memories there!


75 posted on 01/24/2008 5:20:15 PM PST by xsmommy
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To: Scarchin
But he has always been the establishment's choice.

I never got that idea. Seemed more like Giuliani at first, then John McCain. I never got the idea that Fred was a favorite of any one in the GOP leadership. That being said, I'd be THRILLED if Fred were chosen at a brokered convention!!

76 posted on 01/24/2008 5:23:40 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: romanesq

Freddy’s dead
That’s what I said....


77 posted on 01/24/2008 5:27:30 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: TomGuy
Michael Reagan was on FoxNews yesterday. He was sounding hopeful that Newt Gingrich would emerge as the dark horse candidate.

Why does Michael Reagan care? He left the Republican party years ago. I don't think many in the Republican party would be able to trust Newt to be conservative anymore. I know I won't.

78 posted on 01/24/2008 5:28:06 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Just mythoughts
Oh I think most of the fredheads are joining up on the ‘straight talk’ express bus.

I think you're wrong, but time will tell.

79 posted on 01/24/2008 5:42:17 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: womanvet
FRed is not older than the baby boomers, fellers. He just didn’t go the botox route.

Sadly, that's why many decided not to vote for him, because he wasn't a 'pretty boy'. They didn't care that he had the best message of ALL the candidates, he didn't fit their image of the ideal candidate, because he had a few miles on his face.

80 posted on 01/24/2008 8:01:59 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Clara Lou
I’m not holding my breath. However, his withdrawal statement was only 45 words and short on everything....

"short on everything" pretty much sums up Fred's vision for America along with any real plan of action.
81 posted on 01/24/2008 8:05:11 PM PST by Arcy
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To: Arcy

Says you. Your opinion on the matter isn’t worth zot.


82 posted on 01/25/2008 4:18:52 AM PST by Clara Lou (Bob Parks (FR's bocopar) for virtual POTUS '08)
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To: Bobbisox
I feel that the most knowledgeable and patriotic people post here at FreeRepublic. How could we all be so wrong? This election season has been one of the most frustrating I have ever seen. Independents and Democrats voting in Republican primaries and pushing the most liberal candidates for the rest of the party to be stuck with.

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I think you answered your own question. We weren't wrong in thinking that Fred was the best candidate in the race. Unfortunately for us and for our country, our primary system needs some work, for the very reason you stated.

83 posted on 01/25/2008 5:49:54 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Clara Lou
Says you. Your opinion on the matter isn’t worth zot.

Your vote for Fred is what turned out to be not worth "zot". Get over it. The man had NO vision, NO plan. It's time for a leader who isn't cut from the same old cloth as the status quo. It's time for the Huckster!!!
84 posted on 01/25/2008 6:40:56 AM PST by Arcy
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To: Scarchin

I just hope Fred’s channeling Sun Tzu :)


85 posted on 01/25/2008 6:41:53 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Arcy

Great. Cheer on your religious socialist. He’s not going anywhere.


86 posted on 01/25/2008 2:09:56 PM PST by Clara Lou (~sigh~ '08)
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To: Clara Lou

O, say can you see
by the dawn’s early light
what so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?

Fred’s gone and so’s my dawn.

“;^(


87 posted on 01/26/2008 6:51:44 AM PST by b9
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To: b9

Nicely said. I’m with you and in a political funk. There’s no candidate on the horizon. They all reek. It’s somewhat depressing to hear others trying to turn their sow’s-ear candidate into a silk purse. Can’t be done. Hence, my tagline.


88 posted on 01/26/2008 6:57:12 AM PST by Clara Lou (~sigh~ '08)
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To: mathluv
I agree with you, no McCain or Huckabee for me.
89 posted on 01/26/2008 7:01:16 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Clara Lou

If only chocolate would bring Fred back.

Your tagline says it all.
(~sigh~’08)


90 posted on 01/26/2008 7:04:11 AM PST by b9
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To: Scarchin

We need to be preparing for 2012.

What kind of young, articulate conservatives do we have playing on the farm teams that we can call up?


91 posted on 01/26/2008 7:09:22 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: Scarchin
I don't want to bust your bubble or Freddle, but conventions are filled with Republican delegate's who are pledged, legally and morally pledged to a particular candidate. They don't float around very easily and the convention will vote ballots until there is a clear winner through horse trading.

Once a candidate drops out with virtually no delegates, there is nothing to bargain with.

In the past, names have changed as to the VP, but the president must have something going in. At least a national following of some sort.

Fred does not had any of this to any large degree and was late to the party. In fact, the only Fred heads I have seen are here on this forum.

A losing candidate like Huckabee would be far more likely to broker for delegates then Fred, and he has little to no chance.

Fred is out. Unless there is someone in the wings who can mount a sudden following and swoon delegates, the candidate will come from the 4 who are left and they will have delegates to horse trade with. But I'm not sure about Rudy, so there may only be three, and probably only two.

92 posted on 01/26/2008 7:23:26 AM PST by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Tom McClintock


93 posted on 01/26/2008 7:23:29 AM PST by egginanest ( We don't know what we want, but we are ready to bite somebody to get it. -Will Rogers-)
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To: egginanest

He endorsed someone - mccainniac or the huckster - which took him off the conservative agenda.


94 posted on 01/26/2008 7:26:34 AM PST by mathluv
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To: HereInTheHeartland
We need to be preparing for 2012.

Yeah, but It's more likely the 2014 midterms will be the first possible election where the base has returned to sanity. There is a huge battle to be fought between now and then and it will take some time to air the room out.

95 posted on 01/26/2008 7:26:52 AM PST by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: Clara Lou

Jimmuh Carter II.


96 posted on 01/26/2008 7:28:19 AM PST by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: mathluv
No, it's worse than that.

He likes Ron Paul.

97 posted on 01/26/2008 7:33:58 AM PST by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: mathluv

wrong- He had endorsed Fred and is ‘said’ to be considering Paul but that hasn’t been confirmed by him.

He’s so conservative most of the Republican base couldn’t recognize the fact it it crawled up their noses.


98 posted on 01/26/2008 7:35:45 AM PST by egginanest ( We don't know what we want, but we are ready to bite somebody to get it. -Will Rogers-)
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To: Cold Heat

I hate to break it to you but the truth is that Ron Paul IS IN FACT the only true conservative left in this three ring circus.....and that’s coming at ya from a die hard FreadHead who is using a space heater to attempt warming toward Romney.


99 posted on 01/26/2008 7:39:10 AM PST by egginanest ( We don't know what we want, but we are ready to bite somebody to get it. -Will Rogers-)
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To: egginanest
That sort of conservatism died after WWII.

RP is trying to bring it back into the mainstream, but it's dead.

Pat Buchanan tried as well, but he failed miserably.

I don't give it a minutes worth of attention, nor should anyone.

The Democrats have their Dixiecrats, and we have RP, and PB.

100 posted on 01/26/2008 7:46:03 AM PST by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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