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How is it that we find ourselves in this sorry predicament? (this will probably be controversial)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVodI85NLMQ ^ | 2/11/08 | lily

Posted on 02/11/2008 12:40:30 AM PST by incindiary

I know that many people are extremely frustrated with politics these days and the current state of the Republican party. Many people are sad that their first-choice candidate dropped out, then their second-choice, and they keep having to compromise more and more until we get to the point where we feel pressured to vote for a liberal, open-borders, unconstitutional insider politician who we ordinarily would never dream of voting for. But have you asked yourself: how is it that we find ourselves in this predicament? And is there anything more to it than meets the eye?

I know that anything that remotely resembles a conspiracy theory is not usually accepted on this site (by the owner and many freepers) but we're getting closer to the point of losing our republic, so I hope that in light of that, you will let this thread stay, and at least consider what is being said.

I wanted to share an excerpt from a speech, by G. Edward Griffin. In this portion of the speech, he talks about what is happening in our country today, and why it is that we find ourselves feeling forced to pick a candidate that is not much different than the opponent. And the point is, until people become aware of what is happening, it is just going to continue, and get worse - because we are being willing participants in this game which is destroying not only the GOP, but our country. We are being enablers, and I think that when more people realize that, they will not allow themselves to throw all principle out the window, they will take a stand and fight to restore our values and our beloved republic.

I put together a little intro in this video, and following that is the excerpt of the speech. Here's the link:

Do we have a one-party system masquerading as two?

It's about 5 minutes long total.

Thanks and God bless!!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: G.Mason
The bottom line is that McCain and his ilk be defeated, and the RHINO Republican Party be forced to realign towards the right, or conservatives hamper their very existance in any way we can.

I'll vote for "all of the above."

81 posted on 02/11/2008 3:34:39 PM PST by TigersEye (I'm a maverick. I'm sticking with conservatism.)
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To: Gator113
Reg post #21 -Thanks. I didn't mention that because the main point was not Ron Paul, it's the message of what Griffin was saying - that the two parties have been hijacked, which is why there is little difference between the two. In the video, I put his name at the end, to let anyone out there know (who's interested) that he is one of the only, if not THE only candidate who is not CFR. That's why he has been ignored/downplayed/smeared by the establishment and MSM.
82 posted on 02/11/2008 3:37:21 PM PST by incindiary
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To: TigersEye
I agree. It seems there are two factions of one bigger group, so there is 'competition', as you said. But the important point is that they both are selling us out and are taking us away from what this country is supposed to be, to something entirely different, and something that will be very bad news for everyone.
83 posted on 02/11/2008 3:42:44 PM PST by incindiary
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To: restornu
Do I think our choices as they are now worrisome yes I do but God has promise the opposition will NOT win in the scheme of things!

Yep, that is the one thing that gives peace (to believers, anyway) that we do know, ultimately, how the story ends. But I don't think God intended for us to throw in the towel and allow crooks to be elected, just because we know in the end He will prevail. IMO, I still think God wants us to stand up for truth and justice and not throw our principles out by supporting a "lesser evil."

84 posted on 02/11/2008 3:47:09 PM PST by incindiary
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To: MadameAxe

I don’t care to waste my time. His “views” and conspiracy theories are well known. He is a nutcase. When the GOP needs unity, we get a kook from my state to further divide the party.......

Yea...a liberal or a nutcase like Ron Paul. Great Choices.
SARCASM.


85 posted on 02/11/2008 4:03:02 PM PST by TexConfederate1861
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To: Dragonspirit
I'm sorry, I can't agree with you on Mitt. He's on their side, and for that reason alone I could never support him. (although I have numerous other reasons as well)



The co-chair of Romney's campaign in in New York is William Weld, who co-chaired the Independent Task Force on North America under the Council on Foreign Relations, which is studying the integration of the USA, Canada, and Mexico. Take a look.

86 posted on 02/11/2008 4:05:33 PM PST by incindiary
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To: Rum Tum Tugger; rollo tomasi
The question in the title was more of a rhetorical question. I didn't know what to title it, but I was hoping people would watch the video and give their thoughts on what is being said in the video. I don't know if you watched it or not.
87 posted on 02/11/2008 4:20:59 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: incindiary
Do we have a one-party system masquerading as two?

Ford competes with GM, Toyota, and Mercedes. In some ways it's going to differentiate itself from them, but in other ways it can't help making and selling a similar product (personal transportation).

So while the management has a good deal of freedom, it's constrained by consumer demand and the market. It has to pay attention to what people want and what they're willing to pay for it.

With both parties appealing to the consumer it may look like we have a "one party system," but that's because we have to work within existing constraints and appeal to what the voters want. They end up appealing more to the middle, rather than the edges.

If you want to figure things out, look at what voters want and what they're indignant about and look at the competititon of parties and factions to win over those voters. If you just say, "They don't want our wonderful product" or "We're not pounding the pavement enough to make sales" you may be missing something.

88 posted on 02/11/2008 4:35:31 PM PST by x
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To: TigersEye
If the Dems can win virtually every office unopposed they can start radically changing the law across the board.
They can try, but so did FDR and his NRA was eventually found to be unconstitutional. If that fails we call out the Marines.
89 posted on 02/11/2008 4:39:47 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: x

Agreed, but in this case, we have a bunch of lemmings being told to buy an AMC Gremlin, the best car ever built. They are being told the car can fly, swim, cook and clean house... and they are falling for it hook, line and sinker. None took the time to look at maintenance records or reliability reports, they just listen to the salesman, and none will admit to their mistake after they find out it can’t fly and strands them continuously while costing large dollars in maintenance and repairs. They will just keep buying them without realizing reality.


90 posted on 02/11/2008 4:44:33 PM PST by FunkyZero
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To: x
Did you watch the video?
91 posted on 02/11/2008 4:45:14 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: ovrtaxt
Reg post #41 - Thank you. I'm glad there are a few people here who agree with me. lol! Btw, I think Quigley was just one of many, there are others of his ilk who are just as harmful.

And yes, it's my video. (the speech in its entirety is on YouTube though, I just took a portion of it for this video)

92 posted on 02/11/2008 4:49:37 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: ThePythonicCow
Reg post #45 - Very good post, thanks. I don't know if I agree with you that it's impossible to put a stop to it now. Part of me agrees with you, but the other part of me doesn't want to just give up without doing everything possible to fight to save this country. lol
93 posted on 02/11/2008 4:54:46 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: incindiary
Excellent video.

Wake up and smell the new world order people.

94 posted on 02/11/2008 4:58:45 PM PST by murphE (I refuse to choose evil, even if it is the lesser of two.)
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To: ARridgerunner
Thank you, ARridgerunner. Great post (#64) I love this: "What Ron Paul stands for is anathema to them. It's like throwing holy water on Satan." lol... so true. heheh
95 posted on 02/11/2008 9:19:17 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: sushiman
Hi, thanks for the link. That word probably causes people to roll their eyes (sounds too conspiratorial, lol) but I'll take a look at that page.
96 posted on 02/11/2008 9:21:55 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: murphE
Thank you, murphE! Yep, I really feel that at this point even if we can't stop the traitors who have hijacked this country, we can at least bring awareness to those who still don't get it... It's when people are uninformed that bad things end up happening. (there's a famous quote that says the same thing, but I can't think of the exact words at the moment)
97 posted on 02/11/2008 9:28:29 PM PST by incindiary (James 1:25)
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To: incindiary
Even though I am pessimistic in the sense that I consider a return to tyranny to be inevitable, I do more, each passing day, to fight to save this country.

It's the same as with my personal health. Even though I am certain that my mortal existence will end within the next few decades, I still do more with each passing day to keep my mortal body alive and healthy.

In each case, it's not the destination, but the journey. In each case, it's about living our lives as free and vigorous men, to the best of our abilities, so long as we are able to act.

And in each case, we live on in our deeds and vision, long past our mortal demise.

I doubt that the Athenians of 2500 years ago could have envisioned how their ideas of liberty would still be alive, standing astride history like a Colossus, 2500 years later, in the hearts and dreams of billions of humans around the world.

Nor can we know now in what way, 2500 years hence, the Statue of Liberty will beacon future souls to liberty, across the oceans.

98 posted on 02/11/2008 9:56:18 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: incindiary
I've just started reading Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged". Somewhere, I don't recall where now, I read that (part of?) the movement that followed her became very isolationist, which was not part of her original objectivism.

Perhaps this gives us a key to understanding what is good in Ron Paul, and what is fatally flawed with him.

One of the negative points on Ron Paul that I hear from my favorite radio talk show hosts is that, while Ron himself has not endorsed the druggies or skin heads that are attracted to him, still he has not adequately denounced them.

Perhaps this gives us more keys to understanding.

Ron Paul seems to follow the ideas of Ayn Rand. But these ideas, and Ron Paul, have been discredited as kookie, because additional ideas, that are markers for kookiness, have attached themselves to Ayn Rand's original objectivism.

It resembles how the body attaches markers to hostile foreign proteins, so that other cells, the 'enforcers' know what to kill or isolate.

Whether it be the notion of "isolationism", which Ron Paul does endorse, or "free drugs" or "anti-Semitism" or "New World Order conspiracies", which I don't recall Ron Paul speaking to as much, in each case a "kooky" idea has attached itself to the philosophy of objectivism, marking it as alien, to be rejected.

It's just how the main stream body politic is protecting itself from ideas it finds too threatening.

The end result is that a minority find some, even most, of Ron Paul's ideas to be very attractive, while the majority rejects him as a kook, because of one or more of the kooky ideas which he endorses (isolationism) or with which his supporters are associated.

99 posted on 02/11/2008 10:29:46 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: incindiary
Did you watch the video?

I've seen some of it now (before it jammed up on my computer).

I used to think that the world was the way it is because of a conspiracy the politicians were all in cahoots about.

But people do disagree. They take all kinds of crazy positions and opinions. And they get together to promote what they believe. It only looks like a conspiracy when you disagree with them.

Politicians of the same era in the same country who deal with the same issues and problems and institutions (and the same contributors) are bound to look more similar than different if you look at them from far enough away.

So I doubt it's all Cecil Rhodes's fault. The man loved the British Empire. And now it's gone. If the conspiracy were that effective, how did Rhodesia become Zimbabwe or Mugabia or whatever it is today?

100 posted on 02/12/2008 1:48:44 PM PST by x
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