Posted on 02/15/2008 12:18:31 AM PST by KMAJ2
Other than the socialist Mike Huckabee and isolationist Ron Paul, John McCain was at the bottom of my list for a preferred candidate. On the other side of the equation, it is looking like Barack Hussein Obama may overrun the ice queen Hitlery Clinton. What makes that scary is Obama is to the left of the ice queen.
I have read posts from both sides of the McCain debate, the 'if you don't vote for McCain it is a vote for the democrat' gang and the 'I will not subjugate my conservative principles and vote for McCain' crowd. Personally, I support the rights (read freedom) of everyone to make such choices.
For me, my vote will be guided by my own priorities. What do I value most ? What is most important ? The scale weighed on one side love of country and on the other love of ideology. My country always comes first. So as distasteful as it will be to vote for McCain, to allow either Marxist, Hitlery or Obama, to win is to sell out my country.
Is your ideology more important then your country ? Do you only love your country if the elected leaders are those who mirror your ideological beliefs ? If one is willing to hand your country over to leaders who are clearly worse than the alternative, then one clearly loves their country, but they love their ideology more. But that is the unique trait of a free people, they have the freedom to place that order on their priorities.
That depends on your perspective.
If you view the two platforms in the context of the crusty dusty old outdated Constitution, there’s no difference.
Why bother spying on them, they can just walk across the border. HELLO! The whole WOT is BS.
The chief problem of American political life...has been how to make the two Congressional parties more national and international. The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy.”
~Carroll Quigley, ‘Tragedy and Hope’
The post says that long-time FReepers are either thoughtful and insightful (like JR - who I assume to be the founder of this forum, Jim Robinson) or are kinda nuts (like all other pre-2000 FReepers).
I don’t see that as a compliment. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Well, put me in the NUTS column.
Jefferson, Madison, Adams, they were a little nuts too. Tea Party, anyone?
I’ll take the tea, but I’d prefer no “lumps”. ;-P
You are clueless. If you think McCain’s nominees would be the same as Hillary’s or Obama’s, you are deluding yourself.
You just summed up youself in one sentence. You do not think we are at war. Tell that to the thousands of dead Americans friend.
He didn’t say ALL others. And even the ‘kinda nuts’ is a compliment, because its implication is dead on: we may be crazy, but we ain’t stupid.
No, I don't, BUT
#1, that's a rhetorical overstatement of what the (unconstitutional) McCain-Feingold law actually does, and,
#2, McCain's opponents are going to bring you an America where the first through tenth amendments, as well as Articles I-VII, do not exist AT ALL.
You have a defensible position that you wouldn't vote for McCain, because of his CFR legislation.
But to say you don't want America AS SHE IS TODAY, RIGHT NOW, and that you are willing to see her turned over to communists for destruction because you value her present condition so little is indefensible, IMO.
You shouldn't be on a discussion board - you should be at the range, practicing, for what you would call down on our heads.
I do not disagree with that. I will vote for who I think is the best candidate. Party does not matter to me except that right now the democrats are a bunch of communists who take the side of terrorists over our own people.
I did not say we were not at war, I said it is all BS. You don’t fight people on the other side of the world but leave your back door open so they can just walk in. Unless you are just stupid or it is just BS.
We’ll have to agree to disagree here. I think McCain’s picks would be quite similar to Hillary’s or Obama’s, people who would be just fine having a government a gargantuan behemoth that knows not the bounds of its charter, and who will read into the law their own personal preferences.
Thank you.
What you will see happen if Obama wins is the mass movement of funds out of the US. I don’t know what will happen if McCain wins. He’s indebted to Soros, too. As a matter of fact, Soros has supported all three of these candidates.
What do you do when all three candidates—McCain, Obama, and Hillary—all support a policy that will destroy this country, i.e., amnesty? Should you as a voter be complicit in the destruction of your own country by voting for one of them? For me, the answer is clear, I will not vote for any of them. I will vote, just not for the Office of the President.
If you think McCain would nominate a strict-constructionist who would be bound to overturn McCain-Feingold, you are the deluded one, FRiend.
The border will be closed unless Obama wins. Bush has even been pursuing the fence and McCain has stated he will also.
Yeah Right!
It is being closed right now. The fence is going up. Go get a newspaper.
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