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1 posted on 02/23/2008 3:44:23 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
I'm not here to deny the offshoring of jobs, far from it. However, I must make the point that while American jobs are outsourced, somewhere from 2 to 3 times as many jobs are insourced by foreign companies. (If you choose to disagree with this FACT, how else will you explain the U.S. unemployment rate hanging around 5% or lower?) The MSM does not report this, as it doesn't fit their "bad news sells" template.

Be all that as it may, the most important thing is to break down trade barriers with foreign nations. All too often, "free trade" means that foreign companies are free to export their stuff to USA, while we aren't free to export our stuff to them. Just to name two, there are far too many market restrictions on US goods in China and Japan, while we allow their goods to flood our markets.

2 posted on 02/23/2008 3:56:29 PM PST by squidly
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To: Momaw Nadon

I agree.


3 posted on 02/23/2008 3:57:03 PM PST by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: Momaw Nadon

My job is safe.

This was one of Duncan Hunter’s pet issues. Did anyone else even mention it, let alone give it serious consideration? McCain?


4 posted on 02/23/2008 3:57:30 PM PST by upsdriver (This November, write in Duncan Hunter for president. Tell the GOPansy party to shove it.!)
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McCain will get everybody a “green” job....


5 posted on 02/23/2008 3:59:42 PM PST by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

My job is “Manufacturing Manager” which puts me in “Gone - Extreme Risk”...but somehow it is not gone but it sure has changed a lot in the last 15 years.


6 posted on 02/23/2008 4:01:59 PM PST by jrestrepo
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If all of the Going, Going, Gone jobs are outsourced, there won’t be enough people left able to pay those with Safe jobs - so they won’t be safe at all. Let’s all become comedians or filmmakers! Yes, that’s the ticket to prosperity!


8 posted on 02/23/2008 4:03:38 PM PST by informavoracious ("Help me, Obama-Wan Kenyabi, you're my only hope!" do I need to point out this tagline is sarcasm?)
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To: Momaw Nadon

I think the list of No Risk jobs is a little optimistic. I’m a technical writer, and while I don’t feel a lot of pressure in my current job, I can see it going offshore to places like India in cases where the workers may speak better English than many Americans. I guess we’ll see. Retirement is within 15 years for me.


10 posted on 02/23/2008 4:08:00 PM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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If you look at all the jobs which are Safe/No Risk, most of them also can be found in 3rd World Countries (although there may be fewer of them there, and the pay is lower). Those are not the jobs which made America a world power and the most prosperous nation in history. Even those “safe” jobs are well paid today only because there are enough of the other jobs to keep the economy booming—for the time being. You simply can’t be a world power if your only “safe” jobs are architect, actor, dentist, car mechanic, etc.


11 posted on 02/23/2008 4:08:35 PM PST by hellbender
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My reason for posting this is that my job was recently outsourced.

I am 34 and am contemplating a career in IT.

Are there any opinions on which Information Technology sector or jobs are least likely to be outsourced?

13 posted on 02/23/2008 4:10:17 PM PST by Momaw Nadon ("...with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.")
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To: Momaw Nadon

As the dimocrats start taxing high paying jobs to death for socialized projects, I would not be surprised at all of these type jobs leaving, as well as the people who work in them. I would not be surprised that many people who have money are not already moving their money off shore, and looking for another country to live in. Why work here and pay 50-60% of your $500,000 pay day?


14 posted on 02/23/2008 4:13:12 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Obama: NOT the next JFK. He is the NEXT STALIN!!!! Wake up America!!!)
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To: Momaw Nadon

The problem is we offshore the low skilled jobs leaving no path for people to become high skilled. Soon we have high skilled and no skilled.

Globalization is only a form of wealth redistribution. The amazing IT companies in India were funded by their government. Why does our government fund the movement of jobs offshore instead of building our economy?


18 posted on 02/23/2008 4:19:41 PM PST by driftdiver
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I’m a writer (technical), but have seen how vulnerable my job is to fluctuations in the fortunes of high tech. Still, as long as English is such a bizarre language, a shotgun wedding of germanic skeleton and romance flesh, it will be hard to find non-native supplanters.


23 posted on 02/23/2008 4:24:08 PM PST by RJR_fan (Lovers and winners shape the future. Losers and whiners TRY TO PREDICT it.)
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Wages and other costs in India have gotten a little high.

A programmer who works for me, and makes $95K in the US, told me he could get $50K in India.

The cost of office space in India is actaully higher than many US locations. We’re paying $14 a square foot in Mumbai compared to $8 in Columbus, Ohio.

As the costs go up, people are less willing to tolerate the inefficiencies and communications overhead.

Of course, they might try to find a cheaper country, but it doesn’t seem likely for tech jobs. The Chinese are not as well-educated as they claim, and their English is non-existent.


25 posted on 02/23/2008 4:26:44 PM PST by proxy_user
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No wonder they’re going elsewhere:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1975070/posts


30 posted on 02/23/2008 4:33:41 PM PST by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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I had a customer tell me recently that their Accounting Dept was outsourced to a company in India? Also we deal with trucking companies and Penske is located in India. They call and have American names such as Carol Smith. It is really annoying.
31 posted on 02/23/2008 4:34:43 PM PST by angcat (Indian name "She who yells too much")
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Eventually all the jobs that can be offshored will be, and the economy of the United States will be so efficient that only the "right jobs" will remain, all the people who were disemployed will simply evaporate (Poof!) and the prosperous and capable denizens of the glittering, efficient Centers of Wealth and Prosperity will go about their business in a self satisfied way, content with their lives and government.

The other 280 million people, you know -- the ones who went Poof! -- will of course never vote again, never collect a dime of welfare, and never complain or do anything to change their status. Like good little Proles, they will cluck to themselves "it is the way it must be" and of course, pull the Poof! switch on themselves and their families, never to be seen again.

Nice little fairy tale.

33 posted on 02/23/2008 4:36:13 PM PST by Regulator (And What Will America Look Like Under Chief Obama? Zimbabwe)
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Telephone Operator is a moderate risk? I thought those went out with the 70’s.


36 posted on 02/23/2008 4:39:07 PM PST by OCC
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There is some good reasoning behind that list. Everthing is related to the need for proximity to the customer. I see a lot of blue collar schadenfreude over this trend. So much for the ‘service’ economy!


39 posted on 02/23/2008 4:42:54 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Somewhat related... The movie Idiocracy takes current American social trends to extremes. Both funny and scary!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/


42 posted on 02/23/2008 4:52:46 PM PST by OCC
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Well, I'm a writer and I help support an agent (New York) and an accountant (Chicago). But while it's unlikely to go offshore, if I quit selling I'll have to find something else.

I wouldn't list author as a "safe" job by any means.

48 posted on 02/23/2008 5:27:19 PM PST by Snake65 (Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!)
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