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Feral cats, endangered birds each have defenders [Animal rights activists battle each other]
New York Newsday ^ | April 7, 2008 | PATRICK WHITTLE

Posted on 04/07/2008 6:05:51 AM PDT by Aristotelian

Every spring, as birds flock back to Long Island [N.Y.] in droves, Eileen Schwinn wonders whether this will be the season the cats get the last remaining pair of piping plover at Mount Sinai's Cedar Beach.

Schwinn, president of the Eastern Long Island Audubon Society, is racked with emotion over what she says is a "dramatic decrease" in species such as plover, bobwhites and ovenbirds threatened by the claws of stray cats.

But Cedar Beach's 30 or so feral cats have a powerful ally in a smorgasbord of animal rights groups, some of whom say Long Island's strays - estimated to be in the tens of thousands Islandwide, according to one rescue group - have as much right to the beach as birds.

The controversy in Mount Sinai reflects a battle playing out from Atlantic Beach in western Nassau County to Sammy's Beach on the South Fork - birders and cat lovers at loggerheads over what to do about feral cats believed to be preying on bird species as common as the tern and as rare as the ground-nesting piping plover.

Local government agencies charged with resolving the disputes often find themselves caught between flying fur and feathers.

"It's a very sensitive issue; it's a nationwide problem,"

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find themselves caught between flying fur and feathers.

Bickering environmentalists. What a lovely sight.

1 posted on 04/07/2008 6:05:52 AM PDT by Aristotelian
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To: Aristotelian

2 posted on 04/07/2008 6:07:54 AM PDT by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Aristotelian
"It's a very sensitive issue; it's a nationwide problem,"

Call me insensitive, but I don't see it as a problem. It's Nature.

3 posted on 04/07/2008 6:08:22 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Aristotelian

They need to release a mating pair of coyotes to go after the feral cats. Here in Johnson County, in fact, in the richest township, Leawood, KS, the coyotes are snatching fluffy from his back yard as a tasty appetizer.


4 posted on 04/07/2008 6:10:03 AM PDT by Mercat (I am! I stand at the door and knock.)
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To: theDentist

I know a 3 year old who understands nature better than these idiots and she loves cats and birds.


5 posted on 04/07/2008 6:11:59 AM PDT by Soothesayer (I'm breaking out of this hand basket!)
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To: Aristotelian

The birds are a native species.
The cats are not.

Seems like a no-brainer to me. Target practice, anyone?


6 posted on 04/07/2008 6:12:37 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Aristotelian
"[Animal rights activists battle each other]"

Call me when they start eating each other. I'd pay good $$$ to see that.
7 posted on 04/07/2008 6:18:52 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: Aristotelian; Slings and Arrows; Glenn; republicangel; Bahbah; Beaker; BADROTOFINGER; etabeta; ...

8 posted on 04/07/2008 6:19:19 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: LIConFem

9 posted on 04/07/2008 6:20:53 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Constitution Day

Yeah, but why are “native” species entitled to permanently inhabit an environment? Change is a reality in nature; if the cats are able to survive by eating fowl, then what does it matter if they kill off the birds?

By the way, I have no real problem with what you said—I’m just being argumentative.


10 posted on 04/07/2008 6:21:31 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Constitution Day

“No-brainer”, indeed.
The birds are a native species.
The cats are not.
The cats are evil.
The birds are not.

We’ve bred dogs to all sizes, teacup to titanic, but we never tried to produce Doberman-sized housecats. That’s because Doberman-sized housecats would try to kill us.


11 posted on 04/07/2008 6:22:55 AM PDT by flowerplough (Sticker on the front of this Pennsylvanian's '89 Ford F-250: Better run, Hillary!)
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To: theDentist
In our part of Texas fire ants attack ground nesting birds. Where did the fire ants come from? They washed in on rising flood waters. Can’t get anymore natural than that.
12 posted on 04/07/2008 6:23:29 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Constitution Day

Populated area. Too much potential for collateral damage. I suggest a crossbow or a high tech slingshot. My black lab will chase down the cripples.


13 posted on 04/07/2008 6:24:08 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Gonna make those posts that offend the senses, gonna pop my Geritol from a Pez dispenser.")
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To: CholeraJoe

Oh, c’mon, what’s your lab going to do? Lick ‘em to death? LOL


14 posted on 04/07/2008 6:25:57 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: flowerplough
That’s because Doberman-sized housecats would try to kill us.

Ain't that that truth!

15 posted on 04/07/2008 6:26:34 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Arkansas Toothpick; CholeraJoe
Oh, c’mon, what’s your lab going to do? Lick ‘em to death? LOL

LOL! My cats romp all over my lab like she's a piece of furniture.

16 posted on 04/07/2008 6:30:51 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Constitution Day
"The birds are a native species. The cats are not. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Target practice, anyone?"

Careful there. Humans aren't native species to that area either. You might want to re-think that.

17 posted on 04/07/2008 6:31:27 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: Aristotelian

They have half of Fire Island fenced off for the dang piping plover nests.

18 posted on 04/07/2008 6:31:49 AM PDT by murphE (I refuse to choose evil, even if it is the lesser of two)
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To: LIConFem

Bumper sticker: So many cats, so few recipes.


19 posted on 04/07/2008 6:31:58 AM PDT by Aristotelian ("I have a million ideas. The country can't afford them all." Hillary Clinton)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

No, man. He is a steely-eyed cat killer. He’s killed at least 5 that have strayed into the fenced yard from the crazy cat lady’s next door. She’s been warned.


20 posted on 04/07/2008 6:32:04 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Gonna make those posts that offend the senses, gonna pop my Geritol from a Pez dispenser.")
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To: Aristotelian
I don't see the problem.

The birds poop on the beach and leave it.
The cats bury theirs - ergo, let kitty kill the filthy birds.

21 posted on 04/07/2008 6:34:40 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: MizSterious
Careful there. Humans aren't native species to that area either. You might want to re-think that.

Come now, what do you want, consistency? These are cat haters, the non-native argument is just an excuse.

22 posted on 04/07/2008 6:34:57 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: MizSterious
*** The birds are a native species. The cats are not. ****

If the birds are a 'native species', why do they go away every year? The cats don't leave.

And maybe the filthy birds are getting offed where they go in the winter.

23 posted on 04/07/2008 6:42:03 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Aristotelian
"But Cedar Beach's 30 or so feral cats..."
There's no such thing as a 'Feral Cat'.
They're 'Homeless Cats', or 'Undocumented Kitties'.
24 posted on 04/07/2008 6:44:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Mercat
“They need to release a mating pair of coyotes to go after the feral cats. Here in Johnson County, in fact, in the richest township, Leawood, KS, the coyotes are snatching fluffy from his back yard as a tasty appetizer.”

What works in KS and the plains states doesn’t work in states with lots of trees. The Yotes wont catch many feral cats.

25 posted on 04/07/2008 6:45:43 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: flowerplough
We’ve bred dogs to all sizes, teacup to titanic, but we never tried to produce Doberman-sized housecats. That’s because Doberman-sized housecats would try to kill us.

Yes, but if we could get them to go after the non-migrating Canadian Geese that are infesting New Jersey, it might just be worth it.

26 posted on 04/07/2008 6:47:32 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: MizSterious; Constitution Day

I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to respond to you. It was for #6.

#6 (Constitution Day), please see my post 23


27 posted on 04/07/2008 6:48:28 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Mercat
They need to release a mating pair of coyotes to go after the feral cats. Here in Johnson County, in fact, in the richest township, Leawood, KS, the coyotes are snatching fluffy from his back yard as a tasty appetizer.

They sure are around me, in Massachusetts. It disgusts me to see those sad "Missing Cat" posters on telephone poles. They aren't missing, they are EATEN, dimbulbs.

We try to put up coyote warning posters for all the good it does. One dumb relative of mine keeps adopting them from shelters, then watches "Born Free" and feeds the coyotes. I wish the shelters would shut her off.

28 posted on 04/07/2008 6:56:05 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: Aristotelian; Constitution Day; Slings and Arrows; AnAmericanMother

But seriesly, the thing I remember about L.I. beaches was the sheer amount of signs everywhere.

"Do this!" "Don't do that!" Everywhere.

29 posted on 04/07/2008 6:56:27 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Signs. Signs. Talk about the scenery breakin' my mind.)
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To: Condor51

You cat people are so predictable. LOL!


30 posted on 04/07/2008 6:57:36 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day

The birds are a native species.
The cats are not.

This cannot be repeated loud enough or often enough.

Cats are aliens birds are not. Now if stray cats only ate the offspring of escaped parrots then I guess that would be fair.


31 posted on 04/07/2008 7:02:54 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE (Still old, still crabby and still resisting CHANGE.)
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To: Aristotelian

Any cat off it’s owner’s lot is feral.


33 posted on 04/07/2008 7:09:19 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Never say never (there'll be a VP you'll like))
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To: Aristotelian

Cat fight!


34 posted on 04/07/2008 7:11:46 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Gorzaloon
They aren't missing, they are EATEN, dimbulbs.
Too true. About the eaten, and about the dimbulbs.
35 posted on 04/07/2008 7:13:19 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Constitution Day
You cat people are so predictable. LOL!

Mr tiddles can do no wrong /s

And I'm all for shooting feral cats

36 posted on 04/07/2008 7:13:23 AM PDT by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: Aristotelian

When the birds start feeding on the mice in my garages and barns, I’ll defend them against the feral cats that inhabit this west Texas property. Also the cats keep the obnoxious European Starlings away. Right now, my vote is for the cats.


37 posted on 04/07/2008 7:14:14 AM PDT by Muleteam1
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"The cats bury theirs - ergo, let kitty kill the filthy birds."

Hehehe, kind of funny considering your screen name...

38 posted on 04/07/2008 7:18:38 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Bookmarked to my cats only folder for latter reading. Thank-you. =^..^=


39 posted on 04/07/2008 7:21:06 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Aristotelian

Sounds like time for the bird lovers to import some infected cats, then let nature take its course.


40 posted on 04/07/2008 7:21:29 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Aristotelian

Thanks for the posting. =^..^=


41 posted on 04/07/2008 7:21:45 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

You’re welcome.


42 posted on 04/07/2008 7:21:54 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: Constitution Day
*** You cat people are so predictable. LOL! ***

:-) yep we are.

But now we have a dog. A 10mo Yellow Lab 65# 'puppy'. Our college Sr daughter (Student Teaching now) surprised us one Saturday morning with it. After an hour with the cute little thing, that was it, 'we' now had a dog. But we still like cats.

Birds are something else. I've been pooped on by pigeons so many times growing up in Chi ... and now with goose cr*p all over our parks ... well - some birds just need killin'.

(Morning doves (fancy pigeons) are invading our neighborhood now and my pellet rifle is getting itchy again. It sits in its case and shakes when that frickin cooing starts)

43 posted on 04/07/2008 7:24:32 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Aristotelian

Are “homeless people” considered feral humans?


44 posted on 04/07/2008 7:27:22 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Aristotelian; Constitution Day

....our family has a beach house at Sunset Beach, NC and there’s a stray cat controversy there also....the cat lovers have set up feeding stations on the island to the dismay of some...they feel the hand outs just make the problem worse....we’ve adopted three cats off the island ourselves but can’t handle any more....they are breeding faster than they can be placed with families....they also get trap wise pretty quick so they’re hard to catch.


45 posted on 04/07/2008 7:34:50 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: Ditter

Nope, the rising flood waters are from global warming, caused by man, you see.

Completely unnatural, naturally.

:-)


46 posted on 04/07/2008 7:38:03 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Aristotelian

People who like cats need to keep the bloody things inside, since you can’t fence them like dogs. Cat owners need to pay for licenses, just like dog owners. The strays need to be trapped and sent to the pound. If they are adopted, great. If not, so be it.

I’ve got a cat. She stays inside, where she can’t destroy the native bird population. She’s spayed, so she’s not spitting out unwanted kittens. When we first moved here, there were bobwhite quail, and turkeys. Then imbeciles built below us, and dragged in 3 cats that ran loose. Flippin’ things reproduced and eliminated all of the grounddwelling game birds in the area within 5 years. Cats target the baby birds that follow their mothers. It’s been 4 plus years since I’ve seen a turkey and 9 years since I’ve even heard a bobwhite. Years ago, I opened my door and there was a flock of 12 or more turkeys in my front yard.

I like cats, but they have their place. We have laws controlling dogs, and we need similar laws to keep cats from decimating game species, not to mention songbirds.


47 posted on 04/07/2008 7:40:13 AM PDT by Darnright
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To: Fresh Wind

They will be now....


48 posted on 04/07/2008 7:42:59 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: Fresh Wind

They will be now....


49 posted on 04/07/2008 7:43:01 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: Biggirl

You’re welcome ~o.o~


50 posted on 04/07/2008 7:53:09 AM PDT by Aristotelian ("I have a million ideas. The country can't afford them all." Hillary Clinton)
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