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Battling Gun Violence
Newsday ^ | 4/23/08 | Newsday Op-ed

Posted on 04/23/2008 6:52:47 AM PDT by dashing doofus

In the battle against gun violence, every little bit helps. Microstamping, for instance. Last week, the Assembly passed legislation requiring gun makers to stamp codes on the firing pins of semiautomatic handguns delivered to New York dealers starting in 2010. The Senate should sign on, too.

It's no crime-fighting panacea, but microstamping would enable police to identify guns by marks imprinted on the shell casings found at crime scenes. Authorities would be able to trace a gun back to its last legal owner, a lead that could help point the way to the perpetrator.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; newyork; ny; secondamendment
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To: resistance
Wow! What a great idea! And I bet not one criminal has thought of replacing the firing pin...or just stealing the gun...or...

...or simply using a revolver.

Too many lawmakers watching CSI and similar shows, where they solve crimes by dropping evidence into a machine and it spits out a receipt with the perps' name a la the Batcomputer.

21 posted on 04/23/2008 7:18:30 AM PDT by Hazwaste (Vote! Vote for the conservative local, state, and national candidates of your choice, but VOTE!)
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To: Hazwaste

Yeah. I think these people get their ideas from watching re-runs of Law and Order, the show that reinforces the ridiculous notion that only police and criminals own guns.


22 posted on 04/23/2008 7:22:04 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: dashing doofus

You shoot at a pistol range with a microstamp pistol. A premed murderer goes to range and picks up some of your spent cartridges, reloads them and uses the reload ammo in an old semi auto pistol to shoot his wife. At the crime scene the cops pick up the spent cartridge and traces the gun to you. The NRA needs to challenge the law on these grounds in court if the law passes. Potentially a number of innocent shooters are going to be sucked into a legal nightmare. I can see a black market of ammo made from other people’s spent cartridges sold to criminal gun owners to throw the cops off track at a crime scene.


23 posted on 04/23/2008 7:35:29 AM PDT by Fee
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; dashing doofus
It’s not the GUNS, Stupid. It’s the CRIMINALS!!

They understand that, and well. It is not "criminals" that the anti-gun forces fear and wish to control: it is their fellow citizens. People who own and use guns tend to share markedly different values from the Urban Elite: they are conservative, more religious, and self-reliant. They like football, country music and beer better than tennis, opera, and chablis. They hunt and fish, and live in rural towns or distant suburbs. By any historical standard, they are educated; although not in the privileged Harvard/Yale/Princeton/Oxford/Rhodes Scholarly-manner that many in the Washington-New York corridor regard as the sine qua non of intellectual achievement.

As such, the denizens of fly-over country are viewed as culturally, socially, and intellectually inferior. Criminals are viewed as the result of not enough money, too much prejudice, or too few social workers. That, they can deal with. But there's nothing they can do about the rest of us Yahoos except try to silence our voices on the airwaves, take our guns aways, and tax the living bejeezus out of us.

And that's exactly what they intend to do.

24 posted on 04/23/2008 7:35:38 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: RWB Patriot

Number one, I realize that the Left in this country would love to disarm American citizens and leave them defenseless both against criminals and possibly the American gov’t, but on the other hand we need some regulation in regard to the sale of guns. Maybe you can educate me some in this department. I watched a news-program in regard to Mexican drug cartels coming into Texas and buying very sophisticated weapons practically wholesale (AK-47 included) and using them against Mexican police who are trying (however feeble) to fight the drug war. Would some kind of ID check, or waiting period be that much of an infringement on civil liberties, specially when the buyers are not American citizens?


25 posted on 04/23/2008 7:38:59 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (Proud to be an Infidel)
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To: resistance

don’t forget the possibility of picking up spent casings at a gun range and scattering them at the crime scene.


26 posted on 04/23/2008 7:42:16 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: dashing doofus

I just saw a crook on the show The First 48 defeat microstamping. He had his gun hand inside a plastic grocery bag, which caught all his empties.

He didn’t do this, but then you’d just need to leave a few empties from another gun at the scene.

That way some innocent fellow who was recently at the range can have his door busted in and his dog shot...


27 posted on 04/23/2008 7:45:34 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Nope won’t work. Those people kill for those shoes. Give the cops the authority they use to have back in the 40’s & 50’s. AND.......profiling may not be needed........it the whole city in some places.


28 posted on 04/23/2008 7:48:28 AM PDT by RC2
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To: dashing doofus

How long will it take for a criminal to grind off the serial number AND the micro markings?


29 posted on 04/23/2008 7:53:16 AM PDT by mountainlion (Concerned Conservative.)
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To: Fee

Uhm, you replace the spent primer when you reload...that’s where a microstamp from a firing pin would be.


30 posted on 04/23/2008 7:53:50 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: brooklyn dave

My understanding is that you have to be a citizen of a state to purchase a gun there. If so that would prohibit mexicans from buying to transport into mexico. Even if this isn’t the case transporting guns or ammo into mexico is itself a crime. Keep in mind that criminals live outside the law making these laws ineffective. Regardless I refuse to have my purchases infringed on because of a drug cartel problem in another country.


31 posted on 04/23/2008 7:58:46 AM PDT by jjones9853
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To: Fee

Yeah. That’s another issue. Criminals could have a bunch of used brass on hand as a decoy.

What a joke this legislation is. And, of course, Newsday immmediately hopped on board.

I’m happy Newsday is about to be sold. Dinosaur left wing propaganda rag that it is.


32 posted on 04/23/2008 8:02:56 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: brooklyn dave
I watched a news-program in regard to Mexican drug cartels...

First mistake. You WILL NOT get that straight story from MSM sources.

For example, you absolutely can not buy an ak-47 as you describe in your post.

33 posted on 04/23/2008 8:04:00 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: andy58-in-nh

Bingo Andy. I moved from NY to get away from these obnoxious elitist ignoramuses.

Now, I have to only occassionally deal with those from South of the Border - Massachusetts. ;-)


34 posted on 04/23/2008 8:05:03 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: ltc8k6

Easier still, as others have posted, is to just use a revolver. I’m sure the banners are formulating plans to eliminate the “revolver loophole.”


35 posted on 04/23/2008 8:07:53 AM PDT by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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To: dashing doofus

And what to do about revolvers (that don’t dispense shell casings)????

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm


36 posted on 04/23/2008 8:09:18 AM PDT by tonysamm ('")
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To: dashing doofus

Yeah, like a criminal will pay $600 for a pistol.


37 posted on 04/23/2008 8:10:26 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: dashing doofus

Microstamping is nonsense. Liberal policies created crime and liberal policies won’t stop crime.


38 posted on 04/23/2008 8:10:47 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: dashing doofus

What station? Is the person heard in CT?


39 posted on 04/23/2008 8:13:34 AM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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To: Fee

Not to rain on your rant too much,——

The cap where the firing pin strikes has to be replaced with a new one when the cartrige is reloaded.


40 posted on 04/23/2008 8:16:26 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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