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Sunspots and a possible new ice age (updated)
American Thinker ^ | April 22, 2008 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 04/23/2008 8:44:43 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: agere_contra; xcamel
I agree that we are headed for 800 years of cooler weather

Then we got jipped. Only a century of warming, where in the past they got several centuries of warm temps between cooling periods

But it doesn't really matter, even during the Little Ice age there were still El Ninos & heatwaves, the AGW crowd will just highlight those and no matter how cold the actual temps get they will just continue to "Hansenize" the data to show it getting warmer & warmer. Just look at last month, even with a massive La Nina sitting out there in the pacific they claim March 2008 was globally the 2nd warmest month ever.

21 posted on 04/23/2008 9:09:53 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: JBR34

In the article above, the model used to predict a sun-spot cycle in early 2008 is being made fun of.

Is that correct or did I misunderstand? This is a serious question.


22 posted on 04/23/2008 9:10:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: neverdem

I guess Gore will have to find another line of work.


23 posted on 04/23/2008 9:13:02 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: neverdem

Earth first.
We’ll log the other planets later.


24 posted on 04/23/2008 9:21:25 AM PDT by SkyShot (Jesus is coming.....Look busy!)
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To: neverdem

Where have all of the sunspots gone? They’re not coming...


25 posted on 04/23/2008 9:25:29 AM PDT by jpl ("Don't tell me words don't matter." - Barack Obama, via Deval Patrick)
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To: neverdem

What say you, Newt?


26 posted on 04/23/2008 9:36:23 AM PDT by OESY
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To: neverdem

Good! My lawn has really taken a hit the last two summers. It should look really nice this year.


27 posted on 04/23/2008 9:38:52 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: neverdem

We’ve been in an ice age for the last 4 million years.

We’re about to enter another glacial epoch.


28 posted on 04/23/2008 9:41:06 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: agere_contra
I read this guy's entire article, and I felt that his hype was just as catastrophe-oriented as the global warming hype. The reason humans are still around is because we adapt to our changing environment. That being said, I have read similar articles on the effect of the sun (sunspots) on our climate (without the hyperbole), from several different sources, so I am tending toward agreeing that we are probably cooling.

What I am much more worried about is how quickly the ethanol boondoggle has affected our food supply and distribution. Will anyone have the guts to stand up and say "whoah!, we missed something here and we need to take a step back"?

29 posted on 04/23/2008 9:41:28 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: neverdem

I don’t know. It wasn’t that long ago Earth emerged from the Little Ice Age. It seems soon to go back into a cold cycle. But, the last decade has seen slight cooling and if the sunspot fits . . . .


30 posted on 04/23/2008 9:43:43 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: neverdem

I’ve been telling people about this since the sunspots stopped on (or about) June 13th of 2007. I had been tracking the decline in sunspots knowing it was cyclical and about to decrease.

The amazing thing was that for the next couple of months I noted that there was not the gradual increase in new sun spots which I knew was rare.

Months passed and sunspot activity did not return as was normal.

At this point I want to say that I am by any deffination - an amature yet “I knew this was dramatic” (with extra emphysis on the word DRAMATIC.)

My question is - Why did nobody mention this on the news?

The professionals said nothing, to my knowledge. It may be that the press just refused to report this fact because it reputiated Al Gores talking points, or they had no idea, or interest, in anything science based. Since the fact has finally been reported “That fact” telles me more about the press than anything they can say about themselves - They are just not interested in facts (Science) as they claim. They have an agenda and the Science be Damned.

Well they may freeze in hell but they will resist to the bitter end the fact that “man” has less effect on the earth’s weather than factors outside our human capabilities and perview.


31 posted on 04/23/2008 9:43:58 AM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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To: JBR34

The officiail start of cycle 24 occurs when the number of cycle 24 spots exceed the number of 23 spots over a couple month average. It is possible and happens that cycle 23 and 24 spots are on the sun at the same time. For those interested a great site can be found at.......

http://solarcycle24.com/


32 posted on 04/23/2008 9:44:04 AM PDT by milwguy (........)
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To: neverdem

ping


33 posted on 04/23/2008 10:01:23 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

You should win a prize, since you are quite correct that we are still in an Ice Age. The media and many scientists never mention the fact that we are currently in an interglacial warm period, which directly infers that one-day the warm period will be over. I just hope it’s after my life time.


34 posted on 04/23/2008 10:01:49 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Domandred

You shouldn’t have posted that, somebody’s going to go blind staring at it.........


35 posted on 04/23/2008 10:02:03 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My company's union supported Granholm...we all lost our jobs.)
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To: milwguy

Bring on the cooling WHEW! Summer’s coming!


36 posted on 04/23/2008 10:04:26 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (FT. LAUDERDALE FLORIDA)
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To: ohioman

I know I’ll miss it.

I’m too old for the glaciers to get here before my time is up.


37 posted on 04/23/2008 10:04:26 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: jongaltsr

“Well they may freeze in hell but they will resist to the bitter end the fact that “man” has less effect on the earth’s weather than factors outside our human capabilities and perview.”

The sixties generation latched on to terms like “make a difference” and a few even speak of “saving the world.” Feeling they are important and making a difference, or even saving the world (like Algore), gives almost religious meaning to the lives of many of that generation and the younger people who’ve bought into it.

Global warming and almost worshiping the environment is the religion for many of these people. They need it and they won’t give it up, no matter the evidence that refutes their religious beliefs. Man just has to be responsible for global warming (which is gradually being replaced by “climate change”).


38 posted on 04/23/2008 10:27:38 AM PDT by Will88
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To: rock_lobsta

“Toto, I’ve a feeling we’re not in Kansas anymore!”


39 posted on 04/23/2008 10:29:18 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Red Badger
Actually, this is what the sun looks like without sunspots - your picture is literally covered with them. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/images/solarminimum/midi512_blank.gif Nicepost
40 posted on 04/23/2008 10:29:44 AM PDT by PeterFinn (Charlton Heston & Ronald Reagan - my two favorite Presidents.)
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