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Last of kids separated: All FLDS children in Texas now off to foster care
Deseret News ^ | April 26, 2008 | Ben Winslow

Posted on 04/26/2008 10:47:03 PM PDT by ricks_place

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To: napscoordinator
No it happens everywhere, but only democracies takes care of the abuse like Texas is THANK GOD!!!

You must be referring back to Waco.

121 posted on 04/27/2008 4:57:55 PM PDT by taxesareforever (We'll never forget Matt Maupin and his service to our country.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

No, I mean how Texas pulls off this stunt due to an anonymous phone call. If that is all it takes to get the officials in Texas to raid a place, I surmise that many will use this modus operandi to get Texas raids going day and night.


122 posted on 04/27/2008 5:02:24 PM PDT by taxesareforever (We'll never forget Matt Maupin and his service to our country.)
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To: ricks_place
...It’s sort of like passing the death-penalty for driving 1 mph over 55mph...

"Disagree. Firstly, Grooming daughters for polygamy rape is reason enough to remove the children and possibly criminally indict the parents. Secondly, until the DNA tests are returned the parents are unconfirmed, absent state birth certificates." - ricks_place

That's not disagreeing. What you are doing is explaining why the police went in...a different topic altogether.

What I'm doing is pointing out that parents are going to start thinking that they've got nothing left to lose...just like all drivers would feel if there was the death penalty for 1 mph over a 55 mph speed limit; you'd *never* stop for a highway patrolman if the penalty was death.

Same goes for losing your children.

123 posted on 04/27/2008 7:17:16 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: taxesareforever
"No, I mean how Texas pulls off this stunt due to an anonymous phone call. If that is all it takes to get the officials in Texas to raid a place, I surmise that many will use this modus operandi to get Texas raids going day and night."

That logic would only hold true if the authorities were consistent such that their interpretation of the rule of law was applied equally to all...

...won't happen. The first thousand anonymous calls tipping authorities off to an abusive school teacher will *never* get all schoolchildren removed from a school.

Abusive authorities will never apply their same standard for enforcement to other government entities.

124 posted on 04/27/2008 7:20:02 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Sorta puts the lie to “there are no boys” and “there was no SWAT,” eh?


125 posted on 04/27/2008 9:21:35 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: RC51

The majority here are cheering them on too.


126 posted on 04/27/2008 9:25:08 PM PDT by Doohickey ("We cannot insure victory, but we can deserve it" - Joseph Addison)
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To: Gondring
I heard that there were "few" boys, where did you hear that there were "no" boys? Since it's a rural area, I assume they brought in all available local law enforcement, even game wardens. They had no idea what they were going to face, better safe than sorry.
127 posted on 04/27/2008 11:45:49 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-hshootingsports.org)
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To: taxesareforever; napscoordinator
You must be referring back to Waco.

Surely not referring to the public schools or urban areas!

128 posted on 04/28/2008 2:41:18 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: RC51; Eva; for-q-clinton; UCANSEE2; Southack; television is just wrong; Nowhere Man; DoughtyOne; ...
State sponsored child abduction via Class Action. Our government is truly broke when checks & balances on any single branch (in this case judicial) fails.

We should get signs made up for all ports of entry...

Welcome to America!
Home of the Strawman Warrant
Over ____ Served

(I don't even want to guess how many.) :-(

129 posted on 04/28/2008 2:50:11 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Alice in Wonderland
They had no idea what they were going to face, better safe than sorry.

Sorta puts the lie to "they had an informant so they knew what was going on in there," doesn't it?


Sorry, but you Clintonista types can't have it both ways. In the rush to promote the anti-American angemda (fought with such winner slogans as "The Ends Justify the Means," "It's for the Children," and "If You're Not in Favor of Crushing Rights, You Must Support Polygamy!"), it seems that the pro-raid crowd is sometimes stumbling onto facts--but can't keep them straight from the previous claims that have been made!

130 posted on 04/28/2008 2:55:03 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Doohickey

Launch APC...

131 posted on 04/28/2008 2:55:53 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Why the name calling? What is your problem? What should they have done when they received the Sarah call? Ignore it?

LEO went to YFZ. They were told by the men at the gate there was no Sarah. Yet when they interviewed some of the young women, they were told there were several teenaged Sarahs with children. What would you have done?

BTW, Warren Jeffs FBI poster stated he could be armed and dangerous. Is there a reason to believe his followers wouldn’t be? My father, my late husband, and several other of my family members are/were LEOs. I would have wanted them armed to the teeth in that or any other situation.


132 posted on 04/28/2008 5:46:25 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-hshootingsports.org)
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To: Gondring

Why, instead of answering my question, did you attack me? Again I’ll ask: Where did you hear there were “no” boys at YFZ?

The sheriff stated that he had an informant within the compound. Are you calling him a liar too? Why has Merrill Jessop retained a criminal lawyer if everything was so above board and peachie-dorie at YFZ? Would you send your children there for spiritual guidance?


133 posted on 04/28/2008 6:03:08 AM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-hshootingsports.org)
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To: Gondring

Inspires a new tagline


134 posted on 04/28/2008 9:02:44 AM PDT by Doohickey (I'd rather be free than have the government keep me "safe".)
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To: Gondring

Agreed. Oh well, those who live by the sword generally die by it. Wait until their turn, or their kid’s turn comes.


135 posted on 04/28/2008 11:23:11 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain is a poison pill. Accept it! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2006492/posts)
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To: Alice in Wonderland
BTW, Warren Jeffs FBI poster stated he could be armed and dangerous

The FIB always does this. Putting "considered mostly harmless" on one of your 10 Most Wanted posters is not good marketing. And marketing is what they do best.

136 posted on 04/28/2008 7:47:09 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Holy State or Holy King - Or Holy People's Will - Have no truck with the senseless thing.)
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To: Southack

You are so right.


137 posted on 04/28/2008 8:54:04 PM PDT by taxesareforever (We'll never forget Matt Maupin and his service to our country.)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Would your father or late husband go and raid someone’s residence based upon someone telling them they had received a call—without first investigating? Are we to believe they would get a warrant for a man who was last known to be in another state, all on the basis of being told that a mysterious caller made accusations against him? Would they pull out into an intersection without looking themselves, based on someone telling them that an unknown person had said it was clear? If they made it through, would they then claim that it proved that there was probably cause that the road was clear?

I doubt they were such poor law enforcement personnel as that. They were probably like my brother—a fine officer who respects peoples’ rights while being aggressive in nabbing bad guys, and certainly not relying on unsubstantiated hoaxes to initiate major operations.


138 posted on 04/30/2008 12:37:09 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Alice in Wonderland
Where did you hear there were “no” boys at YFZ?

Tough to cite threads when they get yanked so often, but let's go to the contention that there were no mature boys. Then there was the contention that there were only "24 minor boys." Etc.

Now there's the tasty crow being served when it's reported that nearly half of the children are boys...and they aren't all "little boys" as was claimed.

Why, instead of answering my question, did you attack me?

Actually, I did try to make it all more generic than personal toward you, but I see that perhaps it was still a bit direct. The point stands, though, that the supporters of raiding-based-on-lies tend to be using using very Clintonian reasoning and excuses for abuses. Add to that the changing stories.

The sheriff stated that he had an informant within the compound. Are you calling him a liar too?

The informant or the Sheriff? The sheriff might be dishonest or a fool, but I can't say. If his informant's word was good enough, then they could have gone in years ago. If not, then a hoax phone call to a third party--something any informant could have arranged--is not anything that adds to the infomant's information. Otherwise, a third-party hoax call could be used as supposedly independent corroboration in any case where an informant holds a grudge.

Why has Merrill Jessop retained a criminal lawyer if everything was so above board and peachie-dorie at YFZ?

Because he's smart.

But I suppose the correct answer was "only the guilty defend themselves," or "there's no need to protect our rights--the government would never abuse its power," eh?

Would you send your children there for spiritual guidance?

The fact that I wouldn't send them to you doesn't make you guilty, nor does it mean your house should be raided if someone calls in a hoax against you. And I wouldn't send my children to the Sheriff for spiritual guidance, so the same applies there.

139 posted on 04/30/2008 12:51:38 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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