Posted on 05/22/2008 10:46:31 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan
SAN ANGELO, Texas - A state appellate court has ruled that child welfare officials had no right to seize more than 400 children living at a polygamist sect's ranch.
The Third Court of Appeals in Austin ruled that the grounds for removing the children were "legally and factually insufficient" under Texas law. They did not immediately order the return of the children.
Child welfare officials removed the children on the grounds that the sect pushed underage girls into marriage and sex and trained boys to become future perpetrators.
The appellate court ruled the chaotic hearing held last month did not demonstrate the children were in any immediate danger, the only measure of taking children from their homes without court proceedings.
>Yes, all pregnant girls under 18 in greater society who are pregnant due to their parents forcing them into relationships with much older men should be taken away from their parents immediately. Yes.<
Are you saying Muslim Sharia law is invalid? I think the Koran specifically authorizes marriages as young as 9 years old for Muslims.
What I’m getting at is it won’t be long before CAIR demands we permit Sharia Law for the Muslim community residing in the US.
What else is there to discover about the FLDS that Texas hasn't already got? They seized documents, computers, files, birth certificates, everything.
They're going to pass on a judgment for millions at the expense of having their greasy secrets smeared across the news? That's already happened.
thats probly less a percentage than the 'sisas in the hood' that suck up social sevices...
Don't put us all in that boat.
Some of us that are capable of critical thinking, could see where this was all going from the very beginning.
This quickly became a, "My religion is better than their religion" thing, and for others, "The government is good for you and can do no wrong".
People with this mind set are very difficult to deal with and in many case are just simply ignorant, or pro-intrusive government.
Thank you for the refresher course.
I do not know why I thought it was in the northwest somewhere.
We easterners are sometimes geographically challenged when it comes to the left coast.
I certainly agree that this is harmful to children. However, are we going to go after the children every time mom throws dad out and moves a boyfriend in?
While I agree with your inference, I would also ask:
“What is the solution to forced sex education of 6 year old children by the government?
“What is the solution to the forced immunizations for STDs of 12 year old girls? - By the government.
“What is the solution to the forced curriculum of the homosexual agenda that is thinly masqueraded as “diversity?”
“What is the solution to government control without parental say whatsoever over their own teenage children having abortions?”
Again, while I see your point, it is rather appropriate for us to demand that the government stop the forced sexual indoctrination of our children and stop aiding and abetting 35 million abortions, while at the same time making a big show about these rare circumstances.
The powers that be are leading us right into the rat-hole of history with all of this. - Straight to the gutter.
Thank you for your post and this opportunity to add my 2 cents. - bill
McMartin was only one case.
In Washington State there were what came to be known as the “Wenatchee Witch Trials”. In Mass. there were the Amirault cases. There were also several others in other states that were ultimately shown to be entirely fraudulent, but which took long enough to be exposed for the frauds they were that it allowed that “RoseMary’s Baby” of social work known as “CPS” to be born.
What a horrible situation for your friend and her baby to be forced to endure. I assume this was the paternal grandmother...? This wasn’t your friend’s mother taking a grandchild away from her daughter, was it? I hope she was able to cut off contact between that grandmother and her child.
I believe that an appellate court ruling is premature given the nature of the investigation and the fact that their are issues concerning children not belonging to the people they are with. The feds should step in and start investigating possible kidnappings. This would be on the allegation that children are moved around different states to use them as leverage. The DNA tests will blow the appellate court ruling out of the water because the ruling should have no effect. Again...I amazed that the court makes a ruling on an incomplete investigation involving child abuse.
Well, that may be (first ammendment) but I still think that the YFZ is a cult, but I have never thought that the gov’t had the legal right to seize those kids and examine them for evidence of abuse.
The charges that they claim that the Rangers saw evidence that they were forcing young girls into sex and training young boys to participate, was nothing short of thought police.
I do find it interesting that all of a sudden so many find a court ruling to be the final word on a subject, because it agrees with their own beliefs. I just finished reading comments on a case decided by the 9th “Circus” court where everyone was excoriating the ruling. I’m certain this decision will be appealed, and I won’t be surprised if it’s overturned. Perhaps not. We’ll see.
I felt the same way about those who went on and on about the MHMR workers’ comments re: CPS, and how this somehow proved the notion that CPS was bad, bad, BAD! If you’d asked these same folks a few months ago what they thought about mental health social workers, you’d have probably seen them labeled as busybody liberal do-gooders. What a difference a day makes, eh?
I do understand concerns about due process. But I do not understand those who believe nothing abusive was going on here. That opinion betrays an ignorance of this group’s history and practices.
And the pedophile priests of the Catholic Church!.
Wrong. The investigation was still pending. The DNA tests would have proved the sexual abuse of minors. Are you forgetting that a girl believed to be only 14 had a baby that is now in state custody. The father won’t come forward and the mother won’t divulge the bio-father.
It was the paternal grandmother. They “played nice” until they got the kid back then fled the state.
No they don’t. They can get an injunction from a higher court to keep things status quo until they can find out who these kids really belong to and how many of them are victims of child rape.
Most of you on this thread approve what they were doing out there. How many of you live in Texas?
“giving parents the fundamental right to the care, custody, and control of their children.”
So you say that parents have the right to send their little girls to be raped and have kids when they are only 13 or 14? No, they don’t. It’s called child abuse.
Then they prosecute *those individual cases*.
We’ll have to wait and see then.
For a start, proving that it happened? Instead of assuming that it happened because the govt said it happened!
If found to have happened, then there are plenty of laws on the books to deal with it. But uprooting 500 people because a few might have engaged in it, is NOT the way to go. That's guilt by association and one reason our constitution exists, to get away from that kind of thing.
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