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Texas Polygamy Case Based on a Lie
LiveScience.com ^ | Thu May 22, 5:50 PM ET | Benjamin Radford

Posted on 05/23/2008 10:12:33 AM PDT by LeGrande

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To: FastCoyote; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Virginia Ridgerunner; Mamzelle; DannyTN; muawiyah; ...
LeGrande is making an extremely tenuous legalistic argument that Joe Smith was a serial adulterer, just not a polygamist. Given that Smith gave sermons and was the rootsource of the polygamy doctrine as well as a philanderer, this would be similar in form to arguing Hitler was not a mas murderer because no one ever saw him gassing a Jew.

If you would have made the analogy of Marx to communism I would have agreed. The Hitler anology primarily fails because it was the use of the State and Law that caused the Jews to be gassed.

This is a very important point, because running dog is advocating using the very same principles that the Nazi's used against the Jews, and hundreds of thousands of other undesirables, against the FLDS. The technique is identical, vilify and then deny their fundamental rights. After that is accomplished, the State has total control and can do anything it pleases.

We are not immune and it amazes me that you 'Christians' don't recognize the danger that you are in. Religions make very good targets.

341 posted on 05/25/2008 10:37:59 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande
No, I am simply trying to support the Constitution.

And in so doing you support a sex-crime fake-gospel cult.

It sucks that has to happen, but it is so.

Me, I find it sweet that this cult that bleeds welfare money
from "the beast" and preaches that the modern world is evil is
being busted up and taken down by the very thing they preach against.

I'm SO pleased to be on the good side of the lynch mob.

342 posted on 05/25/2008 10:38:52 AM PDT by humblegunner (Che is Gay)
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To: MHGinTN
best to avoid this one when you see what it can get away with posting on an open thread.

You prefer closed threads where no dissent is allowed?

That smells pretty cowardly to me.

343 posted on 05/25/2008 10:40:36 AM PDT by humblegunner (Che is Gay)
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To: humblegunner
Me, I find it sweet that this cult that bleeds welfare money

Didn't the Texas Commissioner of Human Services already say there's no evidence that these people are taking any sort of public assistance whatsoever?

I'm SO pleased to be on the good side of the lynch mob

There's no such thing. You either support and defend Constitutional rights for all, or you don't support them for anyone.

There is no middle ground.

L

344 posted on 05/25/2008 10:42:09 AM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Joseph Smith was "practicing" polygamy long before the 1844 Revelation.

You keep saying it but saying it doesn't make it true. Do you have a single contemporaneous record or DNA result to back up your statement? You don't.

"You do know that many of the revelations were aimed at placating Emma.... Emma knew where all of the skeletons were."

Are you speaking of Blood Atonement?

Of course not, lol but skeletons might elicit that thought : ) JS had no secrets from Emma and Emma was the driving force behind the creation of the Church. Emma knew all the behind the scenes dirt.

I think it is clear to everyone that you lost that argument.

Maybe to the mentally challenged.

345 posted on 05/25/2008 10:52:36 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: Lurker
There's no such thing. You either support and defend Constitutional rights for all, or you don't support them for anyone.

Sure there is.

These are kid-shagging, no-job freaks who preach that I am evil.

Sorry that I can't scrape up a lot of sympathy for them.

346 posted on 05/25/2008 10:59:44 AM PDT by humblegunner (Che is Gay)
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To: LeGrande

Let me help.

There are no “fundamental rights” for pederasts and poygamists or wife burners in this country. Whatever their religion might allow.

But some strange folks around here this there are. Show where it says in the US Constitution that men can legally marry multiple wives and father kids with underage minors. Show where Jefferson or Washington or Scalia says they can.

You are knee deep in legalistic sh*t there.


347 posted on 05/25/2008 11:01:44 AM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: humblegunner
You prefer closed threads where no dissent is allowed?

If you had seen MhginTN's posting history, you would not have made that comment.

I believe Mhg was pointing out the obvious flouting of FR posting rules, AND the fact that there has been no consequence to the poster for the viciousness he spews....we have protected "species" here, or hadn't you noticed?

Most of us prefer not to provide attention for the drama queen's ego.

348 posted on 05/25/2008 11:02:21 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Protected species legislation enacted May 2008.)
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To: LeGrande

[This is a very important point, because running dog is advocating using the very same principles that the Nazi’s used against the Jews, and hundreds of thousands of other undesirables, against the FLDS. The technique is identical, vilify and then deny their fundamental rights. After that is accomplished, the State has total control and can do anything it pleases. ]

Yikes, yikes, yikes. So now I am Hitler as well. Who has advocated denying the FLDS ANY Constitutional rights? There are lawyers and appeals courts swarming all over the Texas situation. And heck yes I am going to speak out against bizarre practices that injur children - but please LeGrande, provide a post of mine where I “vilify” the run of the mill FLDS member, I just think they are sooo sad (even Jeffs is pathetic).

So, there ya go again. Imply I’m Hitler, then provide absolutely zero proof of your allegation that I vilify the FLDS, much less want them exterminated or even deprived of Constitutional rights. They should however be held to account for the laws they have broken and the harm they are causing.

Your posts become more bizarre with each utterance.


349 posted on 05/25/2008 11:07:13 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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No, I am simply trying to support the Constitution.

And in so doing you support a sex-crime fake-gospel cult.

It sucks that has to happen, but it is so.

At its heart, when a defense attorney defends an accused person, he isn't defending the accused person as much as he is defending your rights and freedoms. I am sorry if you don't see that. Do you view the defense attorneys as supporters of what ever Crime the defendant is accused of?

Me, I find it sweet that this cult that bleeds welfare money from "the beast" and preaches that the modern world is evil is being busted up and taken down by the very thing they preach against.

You missed the part where they aren't on welfare? How are you going to feel if the State has to offer up millions in compensation, for malicious prosecution. Be careful what you wish for.

I'm SO pleased to be on the good side of the lynch mob.

The Constitution means nothing to you? I don't think that there is anything that I could say, that would change your mind is there?

350 posted on 05/25/2008 11:13:14 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: greyfoxx39

Who you talkin’ about, Willis?


351 posted on 05/25/2008 11:13:17 AM PDT by humblegunner (Che is Gay)
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To: LeGrande
Do you view the defense attorneys as supporters of what ever Crime the defendant is accused of?

Yes. Lawyers are scum.

You missed the part where they aren't on welfare?

What do they do for money? Pray for it?

The Constitution means nothing to you?

They gave up those rights when they started marrying off little girls to drooling holy-joe perverts.

352 posted on 05/25/2008 11:16:47 AM PDT by humblegunner (Che is Gay)
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To: humblegunner

Most of us prefer not to provide attention for the drama queen’s ego.


353 posted on 05/25/2008 11:28:27 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Protected species legislation enacted May 2008.)
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There are no “fundamental rights” for pederasts and poygamists or wife burners in this country. Whatever their religion might allow.

Everyone, absolutely everyone, has rights, even convicted criminals have rights. I am simply amazed at the level of your ignorance and conceit.

But some strange folks around here this there are. Show where it says in the US Constitution that men can legally marry multiple wives and father kids with underage minors. Show where Jefferson or Washington or Scalia says they can.

The Constitution doesn't grant us rights, the Constitution places limits on how the Government can take those rights away.

You are knee deep in legalistic sh*t there.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I think I will laugh, but I fear I may have nightmares.

354 posted on 05/25/2008 11:41:08 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande

[By suggesting that I have Turet’s syndrome, running dog, you are implying that when I call you a liar and a sexual deviant that I am not in control of my actions. I can assure you that I do not have Turet’s. ]

Sad, like a drunk swearing they have no addiction to alcohol while holding a bottle in a bag. If calling me a sexual deviant and liar is allowed to stand by the Mods, I suspect it is because they understand you sleep with your mother and are a poster boy of the bizarre.

Legrande, you has been allowed to run ragged over this forum as a protected member of a bizarre cult.

But, Fair is fair, if this post should be deleted, then so should all of Legrande’s where he calls people various names (there’s an Augean Stall to clean)

If this is personal, then Legrande should certainly be pilloried for calling numerous people including myself everything from 1) a lynch mob, 2) a cabal, 3) sexual perverts, 4) running dog, 5) reprobate, 6) sexual deviant, etc. etc.

We will see whether all rules have been thrown to the wind and whether LeGrande now runs this place.


355 posted on 05/25/2008 11:41:22 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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"Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!"
"How do you know she is a witch?"
"She looks like one."
356 posted on 05/25/2008 11:45:23 AM PDT by abb (Organized Journalism: Marxist-style collectivism applied to information sharing)
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To: FastCoyote
I have come to the conclusion that many here are hoping and praying the allegations are true. And as each individual allegation has facts applied to it, we find the rumors and accusations unfounded. To some this makes them unhappy and they continue to claim that all these horrors occurred. I don't know how else to categorize the behavior myself. If you aren't hoping they are true and fighting for them to be true then why aren't you happy when things like:

The number of potentially abuses dwindles
There was never a 14 year old pregnant
The children were in fact adults that had babies in captivity.

You should be praising those things and condemning the CPS for screwing up so bad. Yet, you praise CPS’s efforts and condemn the situations. I feel like I entered bizarro world.

Then one of the mob keeps taking looks at the pictures from years ago that almost reflect child porn in some bizarre titillating fetish behavior. Sickening.

I can't believe people hope and pray this stuff is true. Are they turned on? Are you? This stuff arouse you?

I am personally happy when each piece of evidence and each claim falls flat on its face. It is one more child that was NOT abused.

357 posted on 05/25/2008 11:50:40 AM PDT by commonguymd (Using the mob torch and pitchfork government lover's method of debate against them in kind.)
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To: commonguymd

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21231/flds-polygamy-6

You ought to be proud of your brainwashing friends.


358 posted on 05/25/2008 12:00:34 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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Yikes, yikes, yikes. So now I am Hitler as well. Who has advocated denying the FLDS ANY Constitutional rights?

You started the Hitler comparison, I just finished it.

You have repeatedly stated that LEO's should arrest people before they commit a crime, and you have excoriated me for saying that you are wrong. You clearly advocate unconstitutional measures that are identical to those used by the Nazi's.

So, there ya go again. Imply I’m Hitler, then provide absolutely zero proof of your allegation that I vilify the FLDS, much less want them exterminated or even deprived of Constitutional rights. They should however be held to account for the laws they have broken and the harm they are causing.

You have the audacity to claim that you don't vilify the FLDS? Hmm, that is so over the top that maybe I need to check and see if all of your posts haven't been deleted.

Your posts become more bizarre with each utterance.

That just cuts me to the quick. LOL

359 posted on 05/25/2008 12:01:42 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande

LeGrande Advocatuer de les Cultistes
Supporting Cultists since Apr 1, 2001

view home page, enter name:
Contact me if you want to marry off your daughter!
Libertarian who thinks what we need is more shaggin teenage girls in the name of a fake prophet!

360 posted on 05/25/2008 12:11:27 PM PDT by humblegunner (Che is Gay)
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