Oh, great! Now, in addition to the systematic detainment and removal of the children and the separation from their mothers and family, legal warrants issued without probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized [Fourth Amendment], and total disregard for "due process" [Fifth Amendment: nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law], you want all of these people- who have not yet been charged with any crime, to be subjected, under force of government power and duress, to give samples of their DNA to assist the government in prosecuting any case against them. [Fifth Amendment again: nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself]. Yeah, that's exactly what we need to have done. NOT!! Have you ever even read the US Constitution?
I am convinced such evidence would demonstrate multi-generational, systemitized incest which is illegal and abusive.
Fortunately for those of us in the United States, we don't have to either live by or give a rat's ass what you are "convinced" of. We have the Constitution to give us a bit more substantive, reasoned and logical guidance. What ever religion you belong to (or none), you should be very happy that that old musty document is still at least supposed to be followed, otherwise somebody else like you could be "convinced" that your religion or religious beliefs are nothing but a "cult" and break down the doors to your house, remove your family, separate them by hundreds of miles and cost you tens of thousands of dollars to try to regain what little bit of your previous life you could-- which you never would.
Since you don't/didn't understand the Fourth and Fifth Amendments, maybe you should try to comprehend the First: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble..."
Then after you read and understand those, maybe the Sixth would be good information: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
In case you might wonder, there are still even more Amendments that might apply- the Eighth: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. While I'm no legal scholar, might not even you consider the forcible removal of your children or family to be a "cruel and unusual punishment", especially since NO CRIME nor TRIAL has yet been established or even charged?
While you are reading that old musty document, maybe you'll run across another amendment that applies here- The Fourteenth: No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. That's just in case you don't think that the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Amendments weren't lucidly written nor understandable to be followed by government bureaucrats- state, local, federal or even people like you.
I must say that your ignorance of the most basic, supreme law of the land, the US Constitution, is encyclopedic. It doesn't matter how much you care, or are convinced, or feeeeeeeeeel about something as basic and crucial as our individual and collective liberties, if you or the "authorities" can't follow our own laws and common, logical legal practices based upon the supreme law of the land guaranteeing our God-given, unalienable rights, then those "authorities" are the ones who should be removed from their families and society, their property confiscated and them incarcerated away from the rest of rational society.
If you want to think like a liberal, that's fine. Just don't try to make all the rest of us "conform" to what you are "convinced" of. It might come as a surprise to you, but maybe we all don't think the same way and believe the same way, or are not as "convinced" as you are after reading fairy tales published as fact by the snooze media, who have their own agendas.
Sorry, but it will take a LOT more to "convince" me to make anyone give up their Constitutional rights just because someone, somewhere doesn't like what they "think" or "are convinced of" or "assume" they are/are not doing.
Don't get me wrong on this. I'm upholding the legal, unalienable rights of people, guaranteed by our Constitution, not any specific "religious" practices by any group. I just have a bit of an understanding of the Constitution and actual laws and I don't really care what you are "convinced" of if that is in violation of those laws and Constitution. If the authorities want to do something about what are legal violations, then they follow the rules and do "due diligence" and proper investigations, obtain factually and procedurally correct warrants, and provide the innocent until proven guilty citizens every legal right they are entitled to.
If these perversions of rights are allowed to stand, then YOU may be next:
"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."
--Protestant minister Martin Neimoller, regarding Germany's fall to the Nazis
Remember who you are getting your "facts" from: That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditchdigging and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse."
--Mark Twain, License of the Press, A Talk Before the Monday Evening Club, Hartford, 1873.
"...religion and government will exist in greater purity, without (rather) than with the aid of government."
--James Madison in a letter to Livingston, 1822
Regarding your being "convinced": "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
--Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782
whoa! Good schooling!
I’m going to bookmark your post for future reference, if you don’t mind (or even if you do). ;-)
Only thing is, you thoroughly covered a lot of ground in a detailed way. I’m not sure the “Mary Mapes” crowd here on FR has the brains or patience to pay attention to it. They’re too busy with their own unshakeable agenda to get the point.
If there are several little girls walking around pregnant, not going to high school, in a gated commune, it's suspicious enough to investigate. If you have an open container in a car, they can investigate.
This is a farm for sex slaves, not the Shakers.