Posted on 05/26/2008 3:14:56 PM PDT by abt87
This isn't about a Down's Syndrome child, there's quite a difference.
When you are five "different enough" can mean a lot of things. I was "different enough", I wore skirts in a time when most little girls wore pants.
My cousin was a red head, that was "different enough".
Kids are pack animals. It is the role of the adult to teach the little savages that you do not tear apart any of your peers that does not fit into your narrow little concept of what should be.
The teacher here initiated and encouraged the tearing apart. She did emotional damage to the child that was voted out but worse she did moral damage to all but two of the other children in this class.
She has no place in a class room.
I hadn’t read of that. Thanks for the information.
I agree with you 110%!
I agree that the whole notion of special ed needs to be re-examined. I think there's an unfunded mandate in here somewhere, and a sense that it's better for all of us to die from inadequate health care than for any of us (who can afford it) to get good health care.
But currently, this is the way the law is. The government has assured all parents of kids such as that one that they have a right to "the least restrictive environment" and all the rest.
Ever since my special ed. teacher wife came home from school with perfect upper and lower dental arches imprinted in her arm, I have thought that maybe we are a tad too slow to charge minors with felony A&B.
There's no question that the principle that we must provide an "appropriate" education in the least restrictive environment for all children is costing us plenty, probably more than we can afford.
If it were up to me I’d get the government (federal and state) out of the education business altogether. I pay for my kids, you pay for yours if any. Cut everyone’s taxes in the process. If education is capitalist, then I get to choose the best value for me, and so does everyone else.
I wouldn’t call her an adult. Anyone of adult age that would hold an election to kick a student out of a kindergarten class has serious emotional issues. Definitely not fit to be in charge of children.
You obviously haven't heard of the latest scam involving so called "autism spectrum disorders" where there is no evidence of language problems or developmental delay - only antisocial behavior that could probably be corrected with a paddle.
And, to return the insult, your comments show a decided lack of discernment.
It may be irrelevant whether or not the child is actually on the autism spectrum, many many parents want the autism LABEL so that they qualify for an IEP, extra time on SAT's and the cache of a very fashionable disability. Not to mention, often times the label 'autism' can be chosen as opposed to another less desirable label.
I've taught over 10 years in special education and sat in on hundreds of meetings, yes, parents do often push for an autistic label for a variety of reasons
Children on the autism spectrum rarely go into institutions. That is more commonly reserved for the emotionally disturbed, conduct disorders, or severely retarded.
If you've read what I posted, you'll know I quite agree.
I'm surprised the parent didn't then take the opportunity to sue your wife for free orthodontia work.
In 20 years, these empowered little kiddies will be wandering through the geriatric wards voting on whom to kick off the island.
My husband used to be a special ed teacher. I don’t think that I am wrong.
No teacher should ever hold an election to vote a child out of a class under any circumstance. I don’t care how frustrated the teacher was. There are plenty of alternatives, such as requesting the parent to help out in school, or asking one of the other parents to help. When my kids were in kindergarten there were plenty of parents available every day.
The child was in the process of being classified. Both, the school and the parents were trying to get the situation under control, but the stupid teacher could not wait. Basically, she went nuts.
I know someone who had their kid duct taped to his seat in second or third grade. I don’t think that the teacher got fired. WA state pays their teachers about the lowest in the country, not quite, but almost the lowest pay. They get what they pay for sometimes.
“Teachers just don’t want to “deal with it” they want these kids back in the institutions.”
ah, try more like in a classroom suited for their needs. Ever try to deal with a special needs kids along with 35 other students?
I am currently a teacher. I have kids in my classroom who are mainstreamed and should not be. Maybe it's an inner-city thing, but the fact is, it happens. And there's no aide. You have no business assuming that any teacher who resists having special ed kids put in her class is a lazy non-working nogoodnik. I say again, you do not know what it is like. Particularly once these kids are 12, 13, and 14.
Sure but these kids are 5. That’s ridiculous. If a grown woman can’t control a rowdy kindergartener without giving up and asking the other children to do it for her she’s got no business teaching.
I hope no one will think too badly of me for pointing this out but did anyone else notice that the teacher is black and the little boy is white? I wonder if this had anything to do with the teacher wanting to get the other children to call him “disgusting” and “stupid.” It’s possible this teacher has her own sick issues. Maybe the kid really did misbehave all the time and was driving her nuts, or maybe she just thought the retarded kid would be an easy target for her to get out her anger on and didn’t bet on him being capable enough to tell his parents what happened.
But regardless she should still be able to discipline a 5-year-old child herself not just let him do whatever he wants all year long and egg the other kids to pick on him instead of doing her JOB, ugh.
All I’m saying is: I’d want to know more about this specific situation before I used it as proof that all teachers who resist having special ed kids in their class are simply rotten teachers.
My idiot SIL pushed hard for the Asperger’s label for my nephew, and so he is labeled. There wasn’t/isn’t a thing wrong with him that better discipline and better parenting wouldn’t have fixed, but thankfully my normally can’t-be-bothered brother did put his foot down when she wanted to drug the boy several years ago. In her case, the Asperger’s label is a convenient cover for her poor parenting. She never wanted to expend the time and energy needed to handle a feisty boy, and neither did his father.
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