Was Obama's "Certificate of Birth" manufactured?

Blogtownhall ^ | 6/20/08 | Polark

[AmericaUnited]

Why would the Certificate No. on the alleged "Certificate of Live Birth" be blacked out? The guess here is that the creator of this bogus document didn't have the real document at all, and thought that putting a phony certificate number on it might give the forgery away - if that number could be checked against the state birth registry.

Bingo! We have a winner. If the real number was posted, ANYONE could request a Letter of Verification from HI conforming all specific information on this document. They won't tell you info you don't know, but they will CONFIRM info you do know.

"Please confiorm that birth certificate #123456 was issued in the name of XXXXX"

"Please confiorm that birth certificate #123456 contains a race of "African"

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[BossLady]

All I can say about this is......if I have in my possession a very plain original birth certificate from the military with a notary stamp impression...probably typewritten on a 1941 Royal Aristocrat by the looks of it.....then why doesn't this retard have an original to show Americans he is for real?

I would think that it would be a requirement for those running for the highest office in the land to show he/she was born here with an original of his birth certificate.

I'm just sayin...... ;)

[ExGeeEye]

By that standard, I am ineligible to run for president.

The BC I use was produced at my request in 1993, when I was 29, so I could get a passport. My mother doesn't know where the original is.

[BossLady]

Your point is noted. Although getting a passport and running for president are two different things. ;)

[spatso]

The only copy of a birth certificate that I can get is a wallet sized plastic laminated card that looks nothing like the original. I am hopelessly lost trying to understand what the core issue of discussion on this issue has become.

Are we trying to say that the Obama document is a fraudulent production that misrepresents facts? Or, are we merely saying that a different document is available from the official keeper of birth records?

[Beckwith]

It is a Certificate of Birth — not a Birth Certificate.

The former is the document one is issued by the State of Hawaii, on request, and it is a “true copy.”

The later is the original document and certifies a birth.

If one went to the record-keeping agency for Hawaii for a birth certificate for the purpose of obtaining a passport, you would be issued a Certificate of Birth -- reason -- they can't give you the Birth Certificate, because there is only one of them.

Now, whether Obama’s Certificate of Birth is real or unaltered — that's another issue.

[Beckwith]

... and not a foreign country which Hawaii was in 1958 or sometime in 1959.

Go read a history book, will you?

The U. S. Territory of Hawaii was established on July 7, 1898 and dissolved on August 21, 1959 when Hawaii became a state. The U.S. Congress passed the Newlands Resolution which annexed the former Kingdom of Hawaii and later Republic of Hawaii to the United States.

Foreign country -- LOL!

[Always Right]

A photocopy of my own BC, made decades ago, was embossed with a stamp from the County Clerk, but they may not do that any more.

All states emboss and sign their birth certificates, otherwise the document would not be accepted by the state department for the issuance of a passport. This however is a certificate of live birth, which is not a birth certificate and certainly not certified in any way.

[melissa_in_ga]

My son was born in Hawaii. I have his certificate here somewhere; I’ll try to find it and compare.

[RetSignman]

(breaking out book and defraging brain)

[JTR1888]

Does anybody have a real Hawaii birth certificate from this period to compare the document with?

[Always Right]

My son was born in Hawaii. I have his certificate here somewhere; I’ll try to find it and compare.

This is not a certificate. This is a certification of live birth. You would have to request one and probably pay $10 to get a certification of live birth printed on the identical form.

[Always Right]

Does anybody have a real Hawaii birth certificate from this period to compare the document with?

This is not a birth certificate. This is not from that era, it is a newly printed document. Anyone born in Hawaii from any period would have to request a certification of live birth to compare this with.

[ExGeeEye]

The same BC— or a 2008 copy, should I lose the one I still have from ‘93— should suffice for both applications.

[Brilliant]

You’re assuming that if it were authentic, it would be done in a first class manner. Not necessarily the case, though. This is government.

I don’t have any problem with the idea of investigating the authenticity of the certificate, but I don’t think this is really the way to do it. You need to compare it to an unquestionably authentic Hawaii certificate of the same era.

And actually, the thing that is the most damning to the theory that it is authentic is the fact that it did not originate from the Obama campaign, but rather from Daily Kos, if I understand correctly.

[muawiyah]

Where did he "lie"? Sure enough Sharia law as applied in Indonesia might require that he be identified as "Moslem" (since both his father and stepfather were, technically, Moslems, albeit not good ones, the stepfather actually having the reputation of being an Atheist) but he left that place before the age of reasoning.

He would not yet have been eligible for a Bar Mitzvah in fact, nor baptism in an Antipedobaptist church, or even service as a monk in Thailand.

I'd suggest that if you can't yet be a Jew, or a Christian or a Buddhist, you're most likely not ready to make an informed decision to be a Moslem.

[muawiyah]

Again, several days ago such questions were definitively answered.

The term "African race" as well as the term "Hebrew race" were regularly used in legal documents in the United States at the time of Obama's birth.

In FR you are expected to know such things.

[MortMan]

They are freshly generated - but on preprinted form paper. The printed form would not have the flaws discussed above.

I have no idea what this all means, but I do not at this point believe that the document profferred by Obama is a genuine document. Why that is may be the $64,000 question.

[muawiyah]

Nonsense. In 1961 "African" and "Hebrew" were frequently used in official documents. We didn't get into the standard "black", "white other than Hispanic", etc. stuff until later.

As late as 1977 the county clerk in Suffolk was using "Korean" as suitible for indicating "race". She had available to her "black", "white" and "Korean". God help you if you didn't fit her pattern 'cause then you couldn't get married!

[muawiyah]

Nonsense. In 1961 "African" and "Hebrew" were frequently used in official documents. We didn't get into the standard "black", "white other than Hispanic", etc. stuff until later.

As late as 1977 the county clerk in Suffolk was using "Korean" as suitible for indicating "race". She had available to her "black", "white" and "Korean". God help you if you didn't fit her pattern 'cause then you couldn't get married!