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Unstamped certificate suggests Obama may not be "natural born" US citizen
Israel Insider ^ | June 24, 2008 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 06/28/2008 12:20:21 PM PDT by FocusNexus

The "birth certificate" claimed by the Barack Obama campaign is not certified as authentic and appears to be a photoshopped fake.

Embossed seal of the State of Hawaii absent from the purported "birth certificate" of Barack Obama

Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."

So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama -- because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a "Certification of Live Birth" -- must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.

The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; blankonline; certifigate; obama; obamatruthfile; oldstory; posteddozensoftimes; trysearch; whatisobamahiding; whereisoriginal
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To: SideoutFred; Beckwith
This is directed at me and so allow me to respond.

Im been investigating this since 2006 at my own expense - I never questioned the school documents when I first saw them with my own eyes - even though he was listed as an Indonesian citizen - maybe I overlooked it - I asked for a certified copy and at the time was politely refused.

No one has been able to dispute what I have posted on Obama so far and no one ever will - I will ensure that when I post them they will be certified by the relevant authorities. Case closed.

From what I understand, several copies have been made and that the "the US government" has copies already which according to my sources they paid for. Yes paid for!!

The two individuals involved claimed to be working for the US government to request the documents and one of the individuals is from what I have been told to be a congressman, the other from the State Department - the full details will be available soon along with the documentation.

41 posted on 06/28/2008 12:53:37 PM PDT by expatguy ("An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - New & Improved - Now with Search)
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To: JoanneSD
Don’t you know HIllary and Bill are hoping and praying that he is not eligible

You bet they are.

42 posted on 06/28/2008 12:54:45 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free
Look at this analysis: PIXEL distortion and JUN 6 2007 (negative , or reversed...)
43 posted on 06/28/2008 12:55:15 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: Eva

“Wouldn’t he have been considered a citizen even if he was born in another country, if his mother was a citizen.”

Yes, it appears so — but it gets a little iffy, since Obama’s Mother was 18 when he was born, so technically she didn’t meet the requirement of residing in the US for 5 years after age 14 — but, as I said, this could be just a technicality.

http://www.pengweber.com/citizenship/citizenbybirth.html

http://www.pengweber.com/citizenship/citizenbybirth.html#Chart%20to%20Determine%20Citizenship%20Rules

“If both parents are U.S. citizens, at least one resided in the U.S. before the child’s birth.

If one parent is a U.S. citizen, the U.S. citizen parent must have resided in the U.S. for 10 years, at least 5 of which were after age 14.”

But his Father was a citizen of Kenya at the time, would that make Obama also a citizen of Kenya with dual citizenship? I read somewhere that he has dual citizenship. Did he ever renounce his Kenyan citizenship?


44 posted on 06/28/2008 12:56:20 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
Because CNN, NYT, MSNBC and all the other lunatics in the media will not allow Americans to know about it.

Obama's fraudulent documents will never be on the TV or in the newspapers because the MSM wants him in the White House.

But why? I suspect part of the reason is they know he will attempt to shut down Talk Radio and online forums like Free Republic and Little Green Footballs.

That way, the media's distortions can continue unabated (The Reuters-Beirut false photo scandal immediately comes to mind).

In short, Obama will eliminate/bankrupt/imprison the folks who expose the MSM b@stards for what they truly are: Liars, manipulators, cheaters and deceivers.

45 posted on 06/28/2008 12:56:35 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: SideoutFred

Did you not read what the issuing department in Hawaii said? It is NOT what you would get if you got a copy of yours. We cannot know WHY his campaign is distributing a fake, but I think we can at this point reasonably conclude that is is indeed a fake.

As I’ve seen mentioned only briefly in other analyses of the image, take a close look at the sloppy way in which the borders line up in the bottom corners. Now take a look at any government-issued certificate you can find (especially from a long-established state-level agency) and tell me if you see a difference. In addition to the missing emboss and differences in font, etc., this is a fluorescent red flag with a spotlight shining on it.

Certificates like this are purchased blank from a printing company, and almost surely printed on an offset press; then the data is printed by the agency. It is unimaginable to me that any offset print vendor would turn out work like this to a customer as important as a U.S. state. Bottom line, it looks like Photoshop-101-level fakery.

Can we automatically infer that if his campaign is distributing a fake birth certificate, then he is not a natural-born citizen? Of course not. But it is most DEFINITELY a legitimate question that should be answered post-haste, especially in light of Obama’s demonstrated willingness to fudge the truth.

MM


46 posted on 06/28/2008 12:57:01 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: SideoutFred
What is so freekin difficult about finding your original birth certificate? Sheesh, he's running for POTUS. I have two birth certificates. The original with a gold embossed seal and a second smaller one with an embossed seal. If I were running for President of the United States of America, I'd make at least one of them available for inspection.

Ah, but demanding a simple birth certificate from a contender in the race to be President of the United States of America is stupid and foolish and undemocratic. We deserve the leaders we get. We set the standards. It is obvious that our standards are low.

47 posted on 06/28/2008 12:58:08 PM PDT by Chgogal (When you vote Democrat, you vote Al Qaeda! Ari Emanuel, Rahm's brother was agent to Moore's F9/11.)
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To: FocusNexus
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President" Just so we apply the right standard. Since he's not 219 years old, he must have been born here to be eligible. I know that actually following the Constitution is passe these days in Washington, but he should be required to prove this beyond any doubt.
48 posted on 06/28/2008 12:58:27 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: SideoutFred
That's exactly the way we lost to Clinton.

Draft dodger? Just move on? Womanizer? Just move on. Shady land deals? Just move on.

Except now you're asking us to “just move on” concerning a Constitutional mandate!

49 posted on 06/28/2008 12:58:36 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: willgolfforfood

...and he’s Barack Jr.?


50 posted on 06/28/2008 12:59:25 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: SideoutFred

Rules is rules. Folks born of American parents in the Canal zone are natural born citizens.

If Obama was born in Hawaii, he qualifies. If he was born before his mother flew to Hawaii, he doesn’t.

Since there is some question about the matter, documentation must be provided.

If you’re going to make exceptions to the rules, then how can we tell Awnold he can’t be President?


51 posted on 06/28/2008 1:00:46 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: Eva
I married a German girl while stationed at Hahn AFB in Germany, and my son was born at the base hospital, which is considered U.S. Territory...so he is a citizen of the U.S.

I'm not sure how that works...it seems that if you were overseas on vacation and had a pregnant wife who gave birth, the child would be a U.S. Citizen...because BOTH parents are citizens...but, I'm not sure how that works in those unusual cases.


52 posted on 06/28/2008 1:01:03 PM PDT by FrankR (OBAMA is the VAST WRIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY...)
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To: FocusNexus
Is the following quote true or not true.... does anyone know?

Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986″. Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. citizen for 10 years, the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship.

53 posted on 06/28/2008 1:01:56 PM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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To: Bahbah

I know. My theory- such as it is- has been the original or actual birth certificate has something on it that would be embarrassing- but not disqualifying. So rather than come clean with it- he’s let this one stand. Now- he’s in a pickle (IF it’s fake) because it’s been there for weeks. Now rather than simple embarrassment- it’s fraud.

My problems with it are- no seal, no signature, race as “African” and the cert # blacked out.

Other than that...


54 posted on 06/28/2008 1:02:06 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: FocusNexus

Out of curiosity I scanned both sides of an official copy of one of my grad school transcripts.

The embossed seal is clearly visible no matter which side you scan.


55 posted on 06/28/2008 1:02:55 PM PDT by freespirited (A Democrat is a person who lives in fear that someone, somewhere is proud to be an American.)
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To: FocusNexus

Gotta wonder how many more times this same article is going to be posted on FR.....


56 posted on 06/28/2008 1:04:37 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: SE Mom
I know. My theory- such as it is- has been the original or actual birth certificate has something on it that would be embarrassing- but not disqualifying

My theory (or hypothesis depending on your nomenclature) is that the box next to the word Legitimate is not checked. I think it unlikely that his parents were legally married.

57 posted on 06/28/2008 1:04:55 PM PDT by freespirited (A Democrat is a person who lives in fear that someone, somewhere is proud to be an American.)
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To: RaceBannon
This is the federal Government we're talking about here. It's big, it's clumsy, it's inefficient. But somewhere, somebody on the federal payroll works for the Department Of Verifying Presidential Qualifications, and that person should be filling out some offical government form certifying that Barack Obama does meet all the constitutional requirements to be President:

US Citizen

Born in the United States

35 or older

Has that official verdict been reached and announced yet?

58 posted on 06/28/2008 1:05:06 PM PDT by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: SE Mom

Talking about “embarrassing” — could it possibly be that on the birth certificate Barack’s Father is listed a “unknown”? WHY doesn’t Obama show his real birth certificate and put all speculations to rest immediately?


59 posted on 06/28/2008 1:05:39 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: SE Mom

I’m am pretty much where you are with this. Now they have made it an issue.

Now I think he has to prove he’s eligible to run for the presidency even though I highly doubt that is the problem.


60 posted on 06/28/2008 1:06:35 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person)
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