"Barack Obama is not legally a US natural-born citizen"

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4375 ^

[dascallie]

Barack Obama is not legally a US natural-born citizen

Obama running in violation of US election law

By Steve Miller Saturday, August 9, 2008

"Barack Obama is not legally a US natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth; a law that was in effect between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, when the law was changed.

"...Therefore, Senator Obama may very well be disqualified as the Democratic candidate in the upcoming Presidential campaign.

Read entire article at http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4375

[Non-Sequitur]

That is the law as it is written today, not as it was written in 1961.

When was the law that was in effect in 1961 adopted?

[Non-Sequitur]

Remember, Scalia said the Constitution's meaning had to be looked at as What it meant at the time.

Justice Scalia also said that the Constitution means what it says. And nowhere in there does it place requirements on presidential parents.

[cynwoody]

This article brings up the question of whether Obama's Mama Stanley was old enough to qualify to confer citizenship on her child. She does not appear to have been, by the explicit criteria in the stated law. His place of birth is irrelevant.

The law can blather on as it wants. But the 14th Amendment trumps the law. If he was born in the US, he's a natural born citizen. Case closed. The citizenship of his parents doesn't matter. For example, Bobby Jindal's parents were grad students from India studying in Baton Rouge when he was born. And he's on McCain's list of possible VPs.

[usmcobra]

The same as the story mentioned, of course...

You are rehashing items that were discussed and proved months ago.

The only thing that still hasn’t been proved is that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii with an official legal document.

[Raycpa]

US Law very clearly stipulates: “If only one parent was a US citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”

If this is true, then every child born to an out of wedlock mother under the age of 21 (16+5) would not be a citizen at birth. ....Talk about straw grasping.

[Spunky]

"He was asked about Obama's qualifications, but instead of addressing Obama's experience and abilities, he gave the Constitutional answer."

I didn't hear him being asked about Obama's qualifications in this video.

The reporterette says; "It's been about 8 weeks and your friends say you are angry." Clinton says; "I'm not, and I never was mad at Senator Obama, I think everybody has a right to run for President who qualifies under the constitution."

I am not a racist video

[usmcobra]

Does the 14th Amendment trump Article II of the constitution?

[Raycpa]

A progressive/liberal/Democratic congress can trump any clear meaning of the Constitution.

Even if the law stated he was not a citizen, as long as there are liberals around to interpret documents the Constitution says exactly what they want it to say.

If the electors elect him and if Congress doesn’t object, he will be sworn in.

[Spunky]

"The state of Hawaii will issue one to any foreign born person adopted in the state of Hawaii."

Who adopted her. She was supposedly born in Indonesia and her father was Lolo Soetero and always has been. There is no evidence that she was ever adopted in Hawaii.

Now maybe she was born in Hawaii (not adopted) because a record of some sort, Not COLB shows her being born in 1971 while other claims are she was born in 1970. It is all very strange.

[usmcobra]

Actually they would not be Natural born but instead would be naturalized by birth.

Personally I have no problem with the fact that our founding fathers might have decided against giving the presidency to a bastard or the offspring of some immoral coupling, especially when one considers the effects some bastards had in European politics. They were men of Morality and faith by all accounts (even those that strayed).

[usmcobra]

I have no idea how she got one either but that is the only logical choice if we are to believe what we are told about where she was born.

[Spunky]

"My original BC is taped into a baby book somewhere in my mom's basement for the past 50+ years."

I doubt very much that is your original BC. Back in those days the hospitals issued Certificates of Birth. I have those for my children with their little foot print and all, but they are not official. You have to get a Certified Copy of the original which would be on file at the State records dept where you were born.

[SkyPilot]

Agreed. But there are whispers that he may have been born in Kenya, or may have been born in Canada. Although there is no direct evidence of this yet produced, there is also, to the best of my knowledge, no direct evedence that he was born in Hawaii (or anywhere else in the US for that matter). The "fact" that he was born in Hawaii has yet to be proven by a legitimate Hawaiian birth certificate. Attempts to produce such a Hawaiian birth certificate by Obama supporters have resulted in forgeries. One logically wonders why a person allegedly born in Hawaii in 1961 cannot produce a bona fide birth certificate to document that fact. I know that I can produce a birth certificate to document that I was born in the US, and I'm confident that most any American-born individual can do likewise. Why not Obama?

BUMP!

[cynwoody]

Does the 14th Amendment trump Article II of the constitution?

To the extent it conflicts with Article II, if it does, yes. That's what amend means.

[Raycpa]

You really truly buy into the absurd result that children born to an unwed mom under 21 are not citizens at birth?

Stop and look at what you are willing to accept just to hang onto this notion that O’Bama’s birth in Hawaii doesn’t make him a citizen.

Tell you what. At the risk of feeding you and other’s irrational conclusions on this matter, I will give you and them an argument that at least won’t be self contradicting and is arguable with the law and with logic.

Argue that Hawaii was never admitted properly as a state. The process is really messy and it requires acts by both governments and it should be easy to create doubt.

At least that argument can avoid creating pretzel logic like arguments that this author creates.

[Spunky]

Thanks for the ping.

[Raycpa]

She has both. I was the oldest and you know what baby books look like for the oldest.

[cynwoody]

Why does Bambi’s COLB read “DATE FILED”, whereas other samples read “DATE ACCEPTED”? Does use of the word “filed” imply a lower level of authentication of the facts the certificate represents?

[Spunky]

P.S. has texasdude ever put up a thread with the evidence he supposedly found of the female born in 1970 as the one used for BO COLB yet? Everyone keeps saying it is Maya, but so far I haven’t seen his evidence.

[usmcobra]

In as much that the 14th amendment is an amendment to the Bill of Rights, how can it trump the original articles of the constitution.