Posted on 08/13/2008 9:44:45 AM PDT by Sopater
A federal judge has ruled the University of California can deny course credit to Christian high school graduates who have been taught with textbooks that reject evolution and declare the Bible infallible, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
U.S. District Judge James Otero of Los Angeles ruled Friday that the school's review committees did not discriminate against Christians because of religious viewpoints when it denied credit to those taught with certain religious textbooks, but instead made a legitimate claim that the texts failed to teach critical thinking and omitted important science and history topics.
Charles Robinson, the university's vice president for legal affairs, told the Chronicle that the ruling "confirms that UC may apply the same admissions standards to all students and to all high schools without regard to their religious affiliations."
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If species die because of natural selection who are we to protect certain “endangered species”? It goes against nature.The "natural" thing for us to do would be to wipe ourselves out. if enough keystone species(i.e. bees) die off then we become "collateral damage". Check out "6th great extinction" for some historical context.
One interesting footnote, do you know why the earth has so much oxygen comparatively? It was originally a toxic waste product, precipitating a apocolyptic die-off of the original species. Assuming humans succeed in killing themselves off, human pollution may very well form a fertile breading ground for new and unheard of kinds of life.
This is clearly an overreach. Universities have typically accepted transcripts and SAT/ACT scores as the basis for admission. This is the first instance, that I know of, that a University has refused an accredited transcript based on the content of the course. If the state has already accredited the content of these courses, why does UC have the right to discredit them? Do you mean to tell me that I may be denied entrance to a university because of something my high school math teacher might have taught? If that is your position, then you are primed for the Brave New World.Colleges already do this. You're just not aware of it. For instance if you take all remedial classes, even a 4.0 won't get you into Harvard.
It’s apples and oranges. Clearly if someone is taking remedial courses their ability to score well on the SAT/ACT is going to be limited. I can guarantee you that if a remedial student scores well on those entrance exams they will be admited not matter what remedial courses they may have taken. You’re talking out of your hat.
You can state your uninformed opinion, but that is all it is.
Actually you are the one with the uninformed opinion. Claiming that all layers are the same age is one of the most ill-informed opinions I have ever heard. There are mountains of evidence (literally and figuratively) that show you are incorrect.
I don't even want to hear what kooky justification you have for that nonsense. You should be ashamed to show your face back here after such a comment.
To take that on that belief I would have to accept that evolution is a religion; it is not. It is an accepted scientific theory that has been pretty much proven in part and still tentative for other tenants. Religious beliefs have no place in a scientific area of study. There are plenty of religious beliefs such as the great flood and the exodus from Egypt that have a firm basis in historical and geological fact although the bible may not portray the events as they actually occurred. Creationism is not a science any more than scientology is a science. This does not mean that scientists are anti-christian or non-believers. I and many I know are firm believers, but do not take the bible story of creation as anything more than a way to convey a concept of God and creation to ancient peoples who could never grasp the concept of time spanning several billion years. I see God’s hand in the big bang theory, evolution, that God gave one of our ancestors, maybe descended from a near-ape, the spark of soul, free-will and conscience which man could use to learn from and discern the many miracles that God created over unfathomable time. God is not so limited and has no need to limit creation to 7 days. Gods will and meaning is not knowable by man but he gave us the ability to discover the greatness of his works. The bible as written and rewritten by man is a limited view that offers good lessons and admonitions for how we live our lives but not necessarily a literal view of God and his masterwork. The new testament tells us how to find peace in God outside of the old testament, but even those books written by people who knew Christ differ on the same stories and were selected, translated and rewritten by man. Worship God and his great works and not a book compiled by man. Discovering new miracles in the great works of God’s universe makes most scientists more fervent believers because we can see that the universe is not random but is ordered and planned by a greater hand than ours.
I’m always weary of anything in California. I’m kind of hoping my kids opt to go to my alma mater, Texas A&M. It was ranked the most conservative public university in the country.
It’s apples and oranges. Clearly if someone is taking remedial courses their ability to score well on the SAT/ACT is going to be limited. I can guarantee you that if a remedial student scores well on those entrance exams they will be admited not matter what remedial courses they may have taken. You’re talking out of your hat.lol... you have *no* idea how college admissions work.
Tax credits to parents, tax credits to those sponsoring a child, and tax credits to those donating to private voucher foundations would ease the transition.
Eventually, parents would pay for their own child's education. Charity would take care of the poor.
The only children who would likely need government welfare would be the catastrophically handicapped child,...but,..even those expenses could and should be covered with private insurance for this very sad event.
Can American's afford it? Yes, they can. We spend more on government K-12 education (state,federal, and local) each year than we do on the military, and we are a war in Iraq. This does not include what we are spending on government welfare for college.
If government were to get completely out of the education business, those add up to **significant** tax credits to parents and others that are more than enough to ease the transition.
Personally, I am in your corner...BUT...I am sensitive enough to other people's religious beliefs to understand that teaching about the origins of life and man has deeply religious consequences and content for all children and youth.
I do not wish to bully others with my worldview regarding the scientific process. I absolutely do not want to use the power of government to force my worldview about the scientific process on my neighbor.
What is government power?
Government power means the power to use police force to collect the taxes to pay for it. It means using the threat of police force to herd unwilling children into government K-12 buildings.
Education can never be religiously neutral. It is impossible. Evolution is merely one of thousands of topics which profoundly influence a child's religious worldview.
We can be bullies or we can allow freedom of conscience.
There is a solution: Begin the process of privatizing education.
Please remember that any government with enough police power to force evolution on other people's children, and to force citizens to pay for it, is powerful enough to force **you** to pay for a religious worldview to which you object. It has enough police power to force another citizen's religious worldview on **your** children.
Our government has a lot of power. The voting mob may not always be friendly to your philosophical worldview.
Privatized education. Let's begin the process.
Exactly!
Christians should rise up an pull the money plug on the University of California. That means electing representatives with backbone to do it. It means contacting alumni to withdraw endowments and annuities.
The Secular Humanists hate Christians. They would kill them if they could. They just can't get away with it...yet.
By the way,...Were you aware the Harvard has an endowment of 35 Billion? I wonder what the endowment of UC is? Probably in the billions. How many **STUPID** Christians gave money to that school?
Surely it is time for Christians to fund education for Christian children to see that **every** Christian child has an opportunity to get a thorough Christian education from kindergarten through graduate school.
It is also important for Christians to work to see that **government** stops funding the opposition. The best way to do that is to privatize education. Then Christians can pay for the education of their children, and the Secular Humanists can pay for their children.
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I think Christians must be the dumbest sheep on the planet!
Christians take this to court and ask, “Please, please, Judge Secular Humanist have pity on us.”
Balooney!
When are Christians going to wake up?
The Scientologists will have a field day.
It's their money. It's their right to have a field day.
It's the right of an atheistic Secular Humanist to have field day as well.
One of the reasons I prefer tax credits it that it **is** the money of the person who earned it.
One of the reasons I prefer tax credits it that it **is** the money of the person who earned it.
I expect the cost of their children's "education" to take up every penny they would have had to pay in taxes, and the rest of us having to make up the difference.
I see that you do not really study the Bible but rely on the creationists' websites for you info.
I don’t know if I would agree with you that government should not be involved in education at some level (I MAY agree, but that isn’t my point), but I do believe that college education should not be “for the masses.” It should be reserved for truly higher education. Much of what is taught in colleges and universities today hardly qualifies as higher education.
Somewhere along the line it was determined that every child should go to college. The result is a dilution of college curricula so as to allow “success” for the students.
Post-high school education is needed in today’s markets, but that shouldn’t mean college in most cases. Technical education is the most efficient means of getting people ready to work in technical areas, as well as trades. Many, really most, students have no business studying economics, philosophy and literature in a formal setting (at least the way those subjects used to be taught), just so that they can learn, for example, computer skills needed to work in industry.
Why do you use a quote from a creationist website instead of the REAL words of the Bible?
Job 40:17
(AKJV) He moves his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
(AMP) He moves his tail like a cedar tree; the tendons of his thighs are twisted together [like a rope].
(ASV) He moveth his tail like a cedar: The sinews of his thighs are knit together.
(CJB) He can make his tail as stiff as a cedar, the muscles in his thighs are like cables,
(Complete Apostles' Bible) (40:12) He sets up his tail like a cypress, and his nerves are wrapped together.
(ESV) He makes his tail stiff like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are knit together.
(HCSB) He stiffens his tail like a cedar tree; the tendons of his thighs are woven firmly together.
(Interlinear) יחפץH2654 He moveth זנבוH2180 his tail כמוH3644 like ארזH730 a cedar: גידיH1517 the sinews פחדוH6344 of his stones ישׂרגו׃H8276 are wrapped together.
(HNV) He moves his tail like a cedar. The sinews of his thighs are knit together.
(HOT) יחפץ זנבו כמו־ארז גידי פחדו ישׂרגו׃
(ISR AV) He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
(JOSMTH) He moveth his tail like a cedar, the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
(KJV-1611) Hee moueth his taile like a Cedar: the sinewes of his stones are wrapt together.
(KJVA) He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
(KJVR) He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
(LITV) he hangs his tail like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are knit together;
(LXX) στησεν ορν ς κυπρισσον, τ δ νερα ατο συμππλεκται·
(NASB) "He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together.
(NCV) Its tail is like a cedar tree; the muscles of its thighs are woven together.
(NET) It makes its tail stiff24 like a cedar, the sinews of its thighs are tightly wound.
(NKJV) He moves his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
(NIV) His tail [2] sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.
(NLT) Its tail is as straight as a cedar. The sinews of its thighs are tightly knit together.
(nrs) It makes its tail stiff like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs are knit together.
(OJB) He moveth his zanav (tail) like a cedar branch; the sinews of his thighs are firmly interwoven.
(RV) He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his thighs are knit together.
(TMSG) His tail sways like a cedar in the wind; his huge legs are like beech trees.
(Translit) yaH'potz z'naVO k'mov ´ `arez giyday *faHadov faHadayv y'Soragu
(TRC) He spreadeth out his tail like a Cedar tree, all his veins are stiff.
(UPDV) He moves his tail like a cedar: The sinews of his thighs are knit together.
(Vulgate) (40:12) constringit caudam suam quasi cedrum nervi testiculorum eius perplexi sunt
(WEB) He moves his tail like a cedar. The sinews of his thighs are knit together.
(YLT) He doth bend his tail as a cedar, The sinews of his thighs are wrapped together,
Why do you assume I have never read the Bible?
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