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Pro-Abortion Senator Admits Pregnant Women Carry Children (Barbara Boxer)
LifeSiteNews ^ | 9/18/08 | Kathleen Gilbert

Posted on 09/21/2008 10:18:37 AM PDT by wagglebee

WASHINGTON, D.C., September 18, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Although Chairman Barbara Boxer expressed frustration when the unborn's right to life emerged as a topic of discussion during a Senate Environment and Public Works Committee meeting, she herself repeatedly admitted that a pregnant woman is carrying a child, despite her reputation for being staunchly pro-abortion.

Her admission happened while the Senate panel was reviewing a bill involving the dollar value assessment the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) assigns to human life in environmental decisions.  Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK), an established pro-life advocate, wanted to amend the bill to include considerations for unborn life.

"My amendment directs EPA to also establish and properly consider the statistical value of the conceived, unborn life," said Sen. Inhofe.   "Given this Committee's recent focus on children's health it seems only consistent that we would want EPA to also properly value the life of the least protected class - the unborn children."

Sen. Boxer became clearly vexed at the mention of unborn life, saying, "Even the Bush administration has never brought the question of when life begins to an environmental regulation.  It was my understanding that you were not going to do this, and now you're doing it."

While Inhofe's amendment was ultimately rejected, Boxer herself introduced an amendment stressing that the valuations should cover pregnant women, whom twice she characterized as carrying unborn children. 

At one point during the meeting, Boxer said, in reference to pregnant women, "You can talk about it any way you want, but she's carrying a child."  A second time she said, "I would just like to state the obvious.  When a woman is pregnant, and I was, you're carrying a child and if you protect the pregnant woman, you're protecting that whole entire pregnancy."

Boxer's comments recognizing the presence of a child and not a mere fetus in the mother's womb stand in marked contrast to earlier discussions in which she vehemently refused to acknowledge the personhood of a preborn baby. 

In 1999, while the Senate was debating the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, Sen. Rick Santorum questioned Boxer as to when a child assumes e the Constitutional right to life.  Boxer refused to answer, despite Santorum posing the question about a dozen consecutive times.  (see http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/notansweringboxersantorum.h... for a transcript of the exchange)



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At one point during the meeting, Boxer said, in reference to pregnant women, "You can talk about it any way you want, but she's carrying a child." A second time she said, "I would just like to state the obvious. When a woman is pregnant, and I was, you're carrying a child and if you protect the pregnant woman, you're protecting that whole entire pregnancy."

The left KNOWS that a pregnant woman is carrying a child, it's just that murdering the child doesn't bother the,

1 posted on 09/21/2008 10:18:38 AM PDT by wagglebee
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So she admitted that abortion is murder.

Nice.


2 posted on 09/21/2008 10:19:53 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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3 posted on 09/21/2008 10:19:57 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 09/21/2008 10:20:27 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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So a baby is only a baby when it suits Boxer’s purposes....


5 posted on 09/21/2008 10:22:25 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Obama prays to himself: "The prayer that I tell myself every night ...")
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

6 posted on 09/21/2008 10:30:10 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

7 posted on 09/21/2008 10:30:24 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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Obama Doesn’t Want His Daughters Punished with a Baby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNzmly28Bmg

CNN on Obama’s Infant Born Alive Act Rejection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZCXcTwZPY

Jill Stanek on Obama and Born Alive Infant Protection Act (MUST SEE)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

Obama Cover-up Revealed On Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Bill

http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ObamaCoverup.html

Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc

Babies left to die!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo


8 posted on 09/21/2008 10:30:32 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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The mere presence of Sarah Palin is having an enormous ripple effect. The ‘Palin derangement syndrome’ is tapping into some VERY dark places in the world of the left and Sarah only has to continue to LIVE her convictions rather then discuss them.

Truly stunning to watch.

9 posted on 09/21/2008 10:30:34 AM PDT by mad puppy (Never have I felt so politically radical and I swear I didn't move an inch.)
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To: wagglebee

When this whole thing started, they knew that most people would never accept any form of abortion if it was seen as murder. So in the beginning, they framed it a anything but (a “fetus”, “zygote”, etc). Now that the culture has come along over the years , with greater acceptance of the devaluation of human life (refusal of treatment to people in comas, greater acceptance of “right to die” of the elderly-whether some of them want the “right” or not-etc), it is becoming acceptable to admit that a pregnant woman is actually carrying a human baby, but it’s still OK to kill the baby.

The only people it’s still unacceptable to kill are convicted murderers who get the death penalty-the only non-innocent life.


10 posted on 09/21/2008 10:35:41 AM PDT by mrsmel
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VS pregnant guys?

It’s like she said that brick houses are made of bricks.


11 posted on 09/21/2008 10:39:26 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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12 posted on 09/21/2008 10:40:04 AM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: narses

Do you know where to find any of the Obama video campaign clips where he slips into ebonics or his “inner city” accent? I had a couple marked as favorites, and now cannot find them.


13 posted on 09/21/2008 11:05:52 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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"The left KNOWS that a pregnant woman is carrying a child, it's just that murdering the child doesn't bother them"
Absolutely right! The left knows what it's doing.
14 posted on 09/21/2008 11:06:51 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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mrsmel: “...it is becoming acceptable to admit that a pregnant woman is actually carrying a human baby, but it’s still OK to kill the baby.”

Agreed. Thirty years ago, we didn’t have as much information about what is going on in the womb. At that time, I think there was a degree of legitimate doubt about when life began. Abortion was easier if you thought it was nothing more than a clump of cells.

Now we have no doubt that a new life starts at conception, and the “clump of cells” becomes a small baby very quickly after that. It may not be able to survive without mom early on, but it’s clearly a human being.

Despite the scientific evidence, people should take a closer look at the morality. I think they’d find that many abortions are another immoral (evil) decision in a long chain of bad choices. Many of these women who get abortions are pregnant because they didn’t follow God’s guidance in the first place (and they would no doubt scream at me for telling them to restrict their sexual “freedom”). It’s no small surprise to me that they culminate a bunch of bad decisions with another bad decision, abortion.

But it doesn’t have to be this way. Every one of us has the freedom to choose to do right, to turn from sin and set things right. No baby needs or should be aborted simply because mom made a serious mistake.


15 posted on 09/21/2008 11:12:27 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Voting proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP!)
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BTW, I really don’t think it’s possible to argue against abortion without resorting to the morality. That is part of the reason why some people accept abortion. Yeah, they know it’s murder, but what’s the harm? The unborn aren’t contributing to society, it’s inconvenient for mommy, etc. The same attitude applies to the elderly. If you argue against euthanasia or abortion on purely scientific terms, you’ll lose. Without God there’s no evil that man won’t do. BET ON IT!


16 posted on 09/21/2008 11:19:08 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Voting proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP!)
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But it doesn’t have to be this way. Every one of us has the freedom to choose to do right, to turn from sin and set things right. No baby needs or should be aborted simply because mom made a serious mistake.

You're right. But that's not the culture we live in, and it's not going to get any better. People are still going to have unprotected sex out of wedlock, the blueprint God set before us for a reason. They are still going to find ways to avoid the consequences of their sin-by killing innocent babies, by calling themselves "victims" and blaming the public/government for "not doing enough" when they are the ones engaging in high-risk homosexuality, etc.
17 posted on 09/21/2008 11:20:20 AM PDT by mrsmel
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You’re right-we have become a culture that devalues life, period-I don’t think that the left would even care about the death penalty other than using it as a way to score political points, and the marxists amongst us using the useful idiots on the left to protest it as another means of destroying our culture. They have no principles, only an agenda, and they are well on the way to implementing it.


18 posted on 09/21/2008 11:23:47 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: wagglebee

When a woman has a miscarriage has anyone heard you lost the fetus or you lost the baby?


19 posted on 09/21/2008 11:25:27 AM PDT by alisasny (Support McCain/ Palin right now and forget about the Obama Mess!)
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To: wagglebee

See www.thequietconservative.com Accomplices and Heretics part 1 and 2.
The point is that the left cannot admit the unborn are separate people. If they do the money dries up and sex no longer is consequence free.
Neither result is one they can tolerate.


20 posted on 09/21/2008 11:25:49 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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