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Pro-Abortion Senator Admits Pregnant Women Carry Children (Barbara Boxer)
LifeSiteNews ^ | 9/18/08 | Kathleen Gilbert

Posted on 09/21/2008 10:18:37 AM PDT by wagglebee

WASHINGTON, D.C., September 18, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Although Chairman Barbara Boxer expressed frustration when the unborn's right to life emerged as a topic of discussion during a Senate Environment and Public Works Committee meeting, she herself repeatedly admitted that a pregnant woman is carrying a child, despite her reputation for being staunchly pro-abortion.

Her admission happened while the Senate panel was reviewing a bill involving the dollar value assessment the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) assigns to human life in environmental decisions.  Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK), an established pro-life advocate, wanted to amend the bill to include considerations for unborn life.

"My amendment directs EPA to also establish and properly consider the statistical value of the conceived, unborn life," said Sen. Inhofe.   "Given this Committee's recent focus on children's health it seems only consistent that we would want EPA to also properly value the life of the least protected class - the unborn children."

Sen. Boxer became clearly vexed at the mention of unborn life, saying, "Even the Bush administration has never brought the question of when life begins to an environmental regulation.  It was my understanding that you were not going to do this, and now you're doing it."

While Inhofe's amendment was ultimately rejected, Boxer herself introduced an amendment stressing that the valuations should cover pregnant women, whom twice she characterized as carrying unborn children. 

At one point during the meeting, Boxer said, in reference to pregnant women, "You can talk about it any way you want, but she's carrying a child."  A second time she said, "I would just like to state the obvious.  When a woman is pregnant, and I was, you're carrying a child and if you protect the pregnant woman, you're protecting that whole entire pregnancy."

Boxer's comments recognizing the presence of a child and not a mere fetus in the mother's womb stand in marked contrast to earlier discussions in which she vehemently refused to acknowledge the personhood of a preborn baby. 

In 1999, while the Senate was debating the Partial Birth Abortion Ban, Sen. Rick Santorum questioned Boxer as to when a child assumes e the Constitutional right to life.  Boxer refused to answer, despite Santorum posing the question about a dozen consecutive times.  (see http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/notansweringboxersantorum.h... for a transcript of the exchange)



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At one point during the meeting, Boxer said, in reference to pregnant women, "You can talk about it any way you want, but she's carrying a child." A second time she said, "I would just like to state the obvious. When a woman is pregnant, and I was, you're carrying a child and if you protect the pregnant woman, you're protecting that whole entire pregnancy."

The left KNOWS that a pregnant woman is carrying a child, it's just that murdering the child doesn't bother the,

1 posted on 09/21/2008 10:18:38 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

So she admitted that abortion is murder.

Nice.


2 posted on 09/21/2008 10:19:53 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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3 posted on 09/21/2008 10:19:57 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 09/21/2008 10:20:27 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

So a baby is only a baby when it suits Boxer’s purposes....


5 posted on 09/21/2008 10:22:25 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Obama prays to himself: "The prayer that I tell myself every night ...")
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

6 posted on 09/21/2008 10:30:10 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: wagglebee
Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

7 posted on 09/21/2008 10:30:24 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: wagglebee

Obama Doesn’t Want His Daughters Punished with a Baby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNzmly28Bmg

CNN on Obama’s Infant Born Alive Act Rejection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZCXcTwZPY

Jill Stanek on Obama and Born Alive Infant Protection Act (MUST SEE)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

Obama Cover-up Revealed On Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Bill

http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ObamaCoverup.html

Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc

Babies left to die!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo


8 posted on 09/21/2008 10:30:32 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: wagglebee
The mere presence of Sarah Palin is having an enormous ripple effect. The ‘Palin derangement syndrome’ is tapping into some VERY dark places in the world of the left and Sarah only has to continue to LIVE her convictions rather then discuss them.

Truly stunning to watch.

9 posted on 09/21/2008 10:30:34 AM PDT by mad puppy (Never have I felt so politically radical and I swear I didn't move an inch.)
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To: wagglebee

When this whole thing started, they knew that most people would never accept any form of abortion if it was seen as murder. So in the beginning, they framed it a anything but (a “fetus”, “zygote”, etc). Now that the culture has come along over the years , with greater acceptance of the devaluation of human life (refusal of treatment to people in comas, greater acceptance of “right to die” of the elderly-whether some of them want the “right” or not-etc), it is becoming acceptable to admit that a pregnant woman is actually carrying a human baby, but it’s still OK to kill the baby.

The only people it’s still unacceptable to kill are convicted murderers who get the death penalty-the only non-innocent life.


10 posted on 09/21/2008 10:35:41 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: wagglebee

VS pregnant guys?

It’s like she said that brick houses are made of bricks.


11 posted on 09/21/2008 10:39:26 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("I Believe In The Law Until It Interferes With Justice")
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12 posted on 09/21/2008 10:40:04 AM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: narses

Do you know where to find any of the Obama video campaign clips where he slips into ebonics or his “inner city” accent? I had a couple marked as favorites, and now cannot find them.


13 posted on 09/21/2008 11:05:52 AM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: wagglebee
"The left KNOWS that a pregnant woman is carrying a child, it's just that murdering the child doesn't bother them"
Absolutely right! The left knows what it's doing.
14 posted on 09/21/2008 11:06:51 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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To: mrsmel

mrsmel: “...it is becoming acceptable to admit that a pregnant woman is actually carrying a human baby, but it’s still OK to kill the baby.”

Agreed. Thirty years ago, we didn’t have as much information about what is going on in the womb. At that time, I think there was a degree of legitimate doubt about when life began. Abortion was easier if you thought it was nothing more than a clump of cells.

Now we have no doubt that a new life starts at conception, and the “clump of cells” becomes a small baby very quickly after that. It may not be able to survive without mom early on, but it’s clearly a human being.

Despite the scientific evidence, people should take a closer look at the morality. I think they’d find that many abortions are another immoral (evil) decision in a long chain of bad choices. Many of these women who get abortions are pregnant because they didn’t follow God’s guidance in the first place (and they would no doubt scream at me for telling them to restrict their sexual “freedom”). It’s no small surprise to me that they culminate a bunch of bad decisions with another bad decision, abortion.

But it doesn’t have to be this way. Every one of us has the freedom to choose to do right, to turn from sin and set things right. No baby needs or should be aborted simply because mom made a serious mistake.


15 posted on 09/21/2008 11:12:27 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Voting proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP!)
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To: CitizenUSA

BTW, I really don’t think it’s possible to argue against abortion without resorting to the morality. That is part of the reason why some people accept abortion. Yeah, they know it’s murder, but what’s the harm? The unborn aren’t contributing to society, it’s inconvenient for mommy, etc. The same attitude applies to the elderly. If you argue against euthanasia or abortion on purely scientific terms, you’ll lose. Without God there’s no evil that man won’t do. BET ON IT!


16 posted on 09/21/2008 11:19:08 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Voting proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP!)
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To: CitizenUSA
But it doesn’t have to be this way. Every one of us has the freedom to choose to do right, to turn from sin and set things right. No baby needs or should be aborted simply because mom made a serious mistake.

You're right. But that's not the culture we live in, and it's not going to get any better. People are still going to have unprotected sex out of wedlock, the blueprint God set before us for a reason. They are still going to find ways to avoid the consequences of their sin-by killing innocent babies, by calling themselves "victims" and blaming the public/government for "not doing enough" when they are the ones engaging in high-risk homosexuality, etc.
17 posted on 09/21/2008 11:20:20 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: CitizenUSA

You’re right-we have become a culture that devalues life, period-I don’t think that the left would even care about the death penalty other than using it as a way to score political points, and the marxists amongst us using the useful idiots on the left to protest it as another means of destroying our culture. They have no principles, only an agenda, and they are well on the way to implementing it.


18 posted on 09/21/2008 11:23:47 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: wagglebee

When a woman has a miscarriage has anyone heard you lost the fetus or you lost the baby?


19 posted on 09/21/2008 11:25:27 AM PDT by alisasny (Support McCain/ Palin right now and forget about the Obama Mess!)
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To: wagglebee

See www.thequietconservative.com Accomplices and Heretics part 1 and 2.
The point is that the left cannot admit the unborn are separate people. If they do the money dries up and sex no longer is consequence free.
Neither result is one they can tolerate.


20 posted on 09/21/2008 11:25:49 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: TheNewPundit

Even more disturbing to consider is the voting public who send this dead-soul ghoul back to the Senate, repeatedly! Think of how little the alive unborn mean to such voters.


21 posted on 09/21/2008 11:31:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: wagglebee
Words Not Needed!!!..Photobucket
22 posted on 09/21/2008 11:35:56 AM PDT by GitmoSailor (AZ Cold War Veteran====McCain/Palin 2OO8==My Mouse is a MOOSE=Donate to FR)
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To: mrsmel

mrsmel: “They are still going to find ways to avoid the consequences of their sin-by killing innocent babies, by calling themselves “victims” and blaming the public/government for “not doing enough” when they are the ones engaging in high-risk homosexuality, etc.”

I’m sure you know what I’m talking about, but it’s such an amazing relief when you finally decide to turn from evil and stop blaming others. It’s like this great weight is lifted off your back.

I spent years fighting against doing what is right. One battle leads to another. When you finally choose to stop fighting against God, the war is over. Yeah, life might go crazy around you, but you are peaceful on the inside.

Now that is exactly what’s available for any person who turns from sin. That includes women who have had an abortion and now know what a terrible evil it was. That guilt can also go away in an instant.

I highly recommend making peace with the Lord. Is sin really worth the trouble it brings? I think not.


23 posted on 09/21/2008 11:50:58 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Voting proudly for GOVERNOR Palin for VP!)
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To: GitmoSailor

Wonderful photo. Thanks!


24 posted on 09/21/2008 11:53:21 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

Yep


25 posted on 09/21/2008 12:05:34 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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I love the way Trig is holding onto her as well mutual trust.


26 posted on 09/21/2008 12:10:19 PM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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He looks completely relaxed. :)


27 posted on 09/21/2008 12:49:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee; monkapotamus; NYer; All

My piece of crap Senator said that OH LORDY LOL!

Thank you Senator Boxer prove to more brain dead than we thought


28 posted on 09/21/2008 1:57:10 PM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: wagglebee

At least that makes Boxer more honest about her position than those like 0bama who still rely on the fictional sophistry that unborn human offspring aren’t human or living or whatever it is they claim the unborn humans lacks. Boxer isn’t trying to hide her support of infanticide behind some legalistic semantics.


29 posted on 09/21/2008 2:18:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: wagglebee

Wondering if McCain will use that in an ad against Obamanation?


30 posted on 09/21/2008 2:37:19 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: CitizenUSA

You are so right. When you give up fighting God and what he wants for you it does bring an inner calm that no one can take away. Even in these very difficult times. You know that though you aren’t perfect, in big things and small, the guess work is gone, in all things you will strive to be honest, kind, giving and meek. It truly works.

As for the guilt from abortion, you are so right. Thanks to Rachel’s Vineyard so many women and men are learning to admit their guilt and grieve over what they have done.
The only thing is that even though the guilt is relieved, the sorrow is never ending. I know, I find myself in tears sometimes crying out to God, not for forgiveness, but just as a child telling her father how sorry she is and how sad it makes her that she was so callous with his gift. I know now what I did and why, I understand and I have sought his forgiveness and forgiven myself, but just as any mother who has lost a child, I think of him/her and feel such sorrow. I do not ask God to take away my pain. I thank Him for it, it reminds me of why I do what I do.

I am blessed now with two healthy, beautiful children. I will never give up the fight for all the unborn children and their mothers. I will never give up raising my voice in defense of the least among us.

God has given us such wonderful encouragement. When people like Boxer says something like this, I know that our message is being heard and the pro-aborts are being forced to debate using our terms not theirs. We must be patient and know that it is God’s battle and He will win. We are just his soldiers giving Him our lives and letting Him do the rest.


31 posted on 09/21/2008 3:59:23 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: CitizenUSA

I agree. I wish everyone could know what’s meant when we say, “God’s in control”. It means we can have peace about all the turmoil in the world, because God has a plan, and man’s evil can’t overcome it. I think I’d want to kill myself if I knew this wicked world existed, all the evil you can’t help hearing and knowing about no matter how much you try to keep it out of your life, and there was no God overseeing it all, directing it all to His ends, and giving us His Word that it will all work to His glory in the end.


32 posted on 09/21/2008 4:26:41 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Jvette
I'm glad you trust God's Word, He has forgiven, just like He promises, and your baby could be in no better hands than His. Peace to my sister in Jesus.
33 posted on 09/21/2008 4:30:30 PM PDT by mrsmel
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To: wagglebee
...she herself repeatedly admitted that a pregnant woman is carrying a child...


34 posted on 09/21/2008 5:13:10 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: wagglebee
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35 posted on 09/22/2008 3:43:17 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: narses

Found it! Obama speaking Ebonics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq3NLjdJ4Vc

Hillary (”that bitch”) has eyes like a gecko...


36 posted on 09/22/2008 1:08:57 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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