Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes

Israel E-news ^ | 10/12/08 | Tamar Yonah

[bvw]

What do you mean by “according to the Constitution”?

[Mariebl]

According to the law in effect at the time of BO's birth, his mother at the time was not old enough for her child born abroad to qualify at birth as an American citizen.

To what extent, if at all, is the Constitution bound by laws passed much later, by Congress? Not much, I'd think. Specially a law, like this, that does not make sense at all. (What possible reason would there be for saying that the child of a mother who was a native-born citizen, with no ties to any other country, and who had never resided in another country, would not be a citizen simply because the mother was young.)

[pissant]

I’m not “accepting” it. I’m trying to keep it in the public eye, here on FR and elsewhere. There are huge problems with Obama’s narrative, at his birth, as well as most of the rest of his pathetic career..

At a MINIMUM, he must prove he is a natural born citizen of this country to be POTUS. McCain released his Birth Certificate when the entire MSM was running articles pondering the legality of his Panama birth. No fuss, no complaining. McCain could have released a modern COLB to FR if he wanted to do it that way, and invited Newsbusters to vouch for it. Instead, he did what a normal human being would do.

[Sandy]

she had to be resident in this country 10 years from the age of 16(or it might have been 14

I found it. Here, from the 1952 Act, 66 Stat. 236:

[emphasis mine]

a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years...

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[LonePalm]

Enjoy

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Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[JosephW]

Whether or not she would have thought of it I don’t know, but her mom probably would, and so would people like “Frank”.

As to the INS being a headache, my parents had to use a lawyer to bring in 3 kids adopted from australia while my dad was in the U.S. Navy. It was definitely a headache then as well (they used to do their job)

[Mariebl]

I found it. Here, from the 1952 Act, 66 Stat. 236:

I assume that the purpose was to not give automatic citizenship to the child of a non-citizen and a citizen-in-name-only. Does anyone seriously think that they actually wanted to make sure that the child of a young mother did not become an automatic citizen?

Yes, I'm perfectly aware that it's the wording of the law that matters, not the intent. But.... the Supreme Court might be thinking about the intent, right?

[MozarkDawg]

Thanks again, you help my thinking.

[itsahoot]

GWB has been a terrible president. Sorry flame me!

He has practically guaranteed the destruction of Israel as we know it. The big four have decided that all offers that Israel has ever made are binding on Israel, but none of the offers made by Palestine, are binding. Cool huh!

[Sandy]

it really has no bearing whatsoever on whether or now he was born in Hawaii, Indonesia or Kenya. His mother was a US citizen, and therefore he was US citizen upon birth.

If he wasn't born here, his mom needed to be 19 when he was born. She was about 4 months short of that.

[Sandy]

Do you have a citation for that being the law? I keep looking at the USC and the INA and can't find that language anywhere.

The correct info is in reply #344. Reply #310 too.

[calex59]

You found what it is now, it was 10 years after the age of 14 in 1961,and that is the rules you go by, and even at 5 years she would have had to have been 19 and she was only 18 when Bozo was born, therefore IF Bozo was born in Kenya, he is not a US citizen.

[PhiKapMom]

I didn’t mean Constitution — went back to clarify it this morning but couldn’t get in FR. The Constitution has the basic rules and then laws have clarified who can be native born.

[justiceseeker93]

What possible reason would there be for saying that the child of a mother who was a native-born citizen, with no ties to any other country, would not be a citizen simply because the mother was young[?]

Not simply because the mother was young, but because the father was an alien and the child was born abroad. I suppose that the Congress that passed this law thought a very young American mother who went abroad with an alien father to have a child was not suffieciently connected to the US to have her child be an American by birth. However, that same law made provision for such a child to be naturalized conveniently. Apparently, Obama's mother didn't take advantage of that opportunity (not that it would have made BO constitutionally eligible to be president).

[Mariebl]

Not simply because the mother was young, but because the father was an alien and the child was born abroad. I suppose that the Congress that passed this law thought a very young American mother who went abroad with an alien father to have a child was not suffieciently connected to the US to have her child be an American by birth. However, that same law made provision for such a child to be naturalized conveniently. Apparently, Obama's mother didn't take advantage of that opportunity (not that it would have made BO constitutionally eligible to be president).

So, let's say that some of your ancestors sailed over on the Mayflower, some nearly died in Jamestown, some founded New Amsterdam, and a few of them were here all along. You've never resided outside this country. (Vacations don't change your residence.) You marry someone who's not a citizen. You take a day-trip into Canada when you're 7 months pregnant, go into labor, and your baby is delivered in Canada. The status of your baby should be different, depending on whether you're 18 years old, or 40 years old?

[Sandy]

You found what [the law] is now

No, I posted the 1952 law, the one in effect when Obama was born ("not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years"). Follow the link I gave, or see reply 310.

BTW, the current law requires only two years after age 14 and only five years total.

[aruanan]

I suppose that the Congress that passed this law thought a very young American mother who went abroad with an alien father to have a child was not suffieciently connected to the US to have her child be an American by birth.

You've made an error. This law doesn't have anything to do with a mother versus a father. It's about the citizenship of a child who has only one parent that is an American citizen at the time of his birth outside the United States.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks LucyT.

His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present DURING HIS BIRTH IN KENYA, in the delivery room. -This, according to several news sites and Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg (see video below) who is, surprisingly, a life long democrat himself. Berg is the former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania...

...and appears to be actually interested in the law, which is a nice change. :')

[bvw]

Not "native born", the Constitution requires the President to be "No person except a natural born citizen". I interpret the term to mean that the person bus be born to a natural allegiance to the sovereign country. That is how Blackstone and English Common Law took it, and thus what Washington and Jay meant.

A person whose father was a foreigner visiting the country, a father who returned to that foreign country and served as a official in the foreign government -- the child is definitely NOT "natural born" to allegiance. By circumstance of the father, the son's allegiances derived from his birth are dual.

In Obama's case the dual allegiance is clear -- Obama when back to Kenya to join to his father's family and affairs. Obama campaigned for and advised his father's brother, running for office in Kenya.

Yes, a US citizen, a native-born citizen, can have dual allegiances and run for any office. Any office except the Presidency and Vice-Presidency.

[justiceseeker93]

This law doesn't have anything to do with a mother versus a father. It's about the citizenship of a child who has only one parent that is an American citizen the time of his birth outside the United States.

Yes, I was very well aware of that. The law treats the parents according to their citizenship or lack thereof, and doesn't discriminate on the basis of gender.

The reason why I commented the way I did is because I was responding to Mariebl's comment (or question) referring to the case of a native-born American mother.