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Obama Citizenship - Another Focus
from Philip J. Berg lawsuit

Posted on 10/24/2008 3:51:45 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise

There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama’s parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.

Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.

Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, his half-brother and half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya.

Reports reflect that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy (which, apparently, was a normal restriction, to avoid births during a flight). By these reports, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home and registered Obama’s birth. There are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.

Upon investigation into the alleged birth of Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama’s birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital. Wikipedia English Version, under the subject “Barack Obama,” states Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Wikipedia Italian Version, under the subject “Queens Hospital,” states Barack Obama was born in Queens Hospital.

Furthermore, the Rainbow Edition News Letter, November 2004 Edition, published by the Education Laboratory School, attached as EXHIBIT “1”, did a several page article of an interview with Obama and his half-sister, Maya. The Rainbow Edition News Letter reports Obama was born August 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.

More interesting in February 2008, Obama’s half-sister, Maya, was again interviewed in the Star Bulletin, attached as EXHIBIT “2”, and this time, Maya states Obama was born August 4, 1961 in Kapiolani Medical Center for Women & Children.

Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer published an article on June 9, 2008 stating that a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen, attached as EXHIBIT “3”.

Even if Obama was, in fact, born in Hawaii, he lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother re-married and moved to Indonesia with her Indonesian husband. In or about 1966, when Obama was approximately five (5) years old, his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, whom she had met at the Hawaii University, and moved to Indonesia with Obama. Obama lost his U.S. citizenship, when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, and took up residency in Indonesia. Loss of citizenship, in these circumstances, under U.S. law (as in effect in 1967) required that foreign citizenship be achieved through “application.” Such type of naturalization occurred, for example, when a person acquired a foreign nationality by marriage to a national of that country. Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317(b). A minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status of their custodial parent. A further issue is presented that Obama’s Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, either signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son or Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama, giving Obama natural Indonesia citizenship which explains the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

Obama admits in his book, “Dreams from my father” Obama’s memoir (autobiography), that after his mother and Lolo Soetoro were married, Lolo Soetoro left Hawaii rather suddenly and Obama and his mother spent months in preparation for their move to Indonesia. Obama admits when he arrived in Indonesia he had already been enrolled in an Indonesia school and his relatives were waiting to meet him and his mother. Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian State citizen, could not have enrolled Obama in school unless Lolo Soetoro signed an acknowledgement acknowledging Obama as his son, which had to be filed with the Government. Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Obama, as an Indonesian State citizen.

Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 Law No. 12 of 2006 dated 1 Aug. 2006 concerning Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 9 of 1992 dated 31 Mar. 1992 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie) states in pertinent part, State citizens of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution 1945, As amended by the First Amendment of 1999, the Second Amendment of 2000, the Third Amendment of 2001 and the Fourth Amendment of 2002, Chapter X, Citizens and Residents, Article 26 states, “(1) Citizens shall consist of indigenous Indonesian peoples and persons of foreign origin who have been legalized [sic] as citizens in accordance with law. (2) Residents shall consist of Indonesian citizens and foreign nationals living in Indonesia.”

Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once adopted by an Indonesian citizen, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child, Indonesian Constitution, Article 2. The laws in Indonesia at the time of Obama’s arrival did not allow dual citizenship. If an Indonesian citizen married a foreigner, as in this case, Obama’s mother was required to renounce her U.S. citizenship and was sponsored by her Indonesian spouse. The public schools did not allow foreign students, only citizens were allowed to attend as Indonesia was under strict rule and decreed a number of restrictions; therefore, in order for Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, which he did, he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, as the citizenship status of enrolled students was verified with Government records.

Obama was enrolled by his parents in a public school, Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia. Plaintiff has received copies of the school registration, attached as EXHIBIT “4”, in which it clearly states Obama’s name as “Barry Soetoro,” and lists his citizenship as Indonesian. Obama’s father is listed as Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s date of birth and place of birth are listed as August 4, 1961 in Hawaii, and Obama’s Religion is listed as Islam. This document was verified by television show Inside Edition, whose reporter, Matt Meagher, took the actual footage of the school record.

At the time Obama was registered the public schools * obtained and verified the citizenship status and name of the student through the Indonesian Government. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names of all family members.

Since Obama’s birth was legally acknowledged by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, and/or Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, which the evidence attached hereto supports, Obama became an Indonesian citizen and bears the status as an Indonesia natural child (natural-born). For this reason, Obama would have been required to file applications with the U. S. State Department and follow the legal procedures to become a naturalized citizen in the United States, when he returned from Indonesia. If Obama and/or his family failed to follow these procedures, then Obama is an illegal alien. Regardless of whether Obama was officially adopted, (which required a Court process), by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, or his birth was acknowledged (which only required the signing of a birth acknowledgement form), by Lolo Soetoro, one of which had to occur in order for Obama to have the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship status listed as “Indonesian”, in either and/or both cases Obama’s name was required to be changed to the Indonesian father’s name, and Obama became a natural citizen of Indonesia. This is proven by the school records in Jakarta, Indonesia showing Obama’s name as Barry Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian. Again, the registration of a child in the public schools in Jakarta, Indonesia was verified with the Government Records on file with the Governmental Agencies.

The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual citizenship). Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship. In addition, since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship neither did the United States, Hague Convention of 1930.

In or about 1971, Obama’s mother sent Obama back to Hawaii. Obama was ten (10) years of age upon his return to Hawaii.

As a result of Obama’s Indonesia “natural” citizenship status, there is absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained U.S. “natural born” status, if he in fact ever held such. Obama could have only become naturalized if the proper paperwork was filed with the U.S. State Department, in which case, Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship.

Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama was never Naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Obama’s mother did not return with him, and therefore, unable to apply for citizenship of Obama in the United States. If citizenship of Obama had ever been applied for, Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship.

Furthermore, Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan and Southern India in 1981. The relations between Pakistan and India were extremely tense and Pakistan was in turmoil and under martial law. The country was filled with Afghan refugees; and Pakistan's Islamist-leaning Interservices Intelligence Agency (ISI) had begun to provide arms to the Afghan mujahideen and to assist the process of recruiting radicalized Muslim men--jihadists--from around the world to fight against the Soviet Union. Pakistan was so dangerous that it was on the State Department's travel ban list for US Citizens.

Non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. A Muslim citizen of Indonesia traveling on an Indonesian passport would have success entering Indonesia, Pakistan and India. Therefore, it is believed Obama traveled on his Indonesian passport entering the Countries. Indonesian passports require renewal every five (5) years. At the time of Obama’s travels to Indonesia, Pakistan and India, Obama was twenty (20) years old. If Obama would have been a U.S. citizen, which he was not, 8 USC §1481(a)(2) provides loss of nationality by native born citizens upon "taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state...after having attained the age of eighteen years”, in violation of 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(1) Since Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Obama as his son and/or adopted Obama, Obama was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, as proven by Obama’s school record attached as Exhibit “4”.

Plaintiffs as well as many other democratic American citizens have requested proof of Obama’s citizenship status, however to no avail. Obama has promised to be an open and honest candidate, however, refuses to remove any doubts from Plaintiff’s and all the other democratic minds and prove his eligibility to serve as President of the United States.

Source: from Philip J. Berg lawsuit

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/13/0.pdf

Note: * I’ve added the following - Obama later transferred to secular elementary public school SDN Menteng 1.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: 911families; antichrist; certifigate; ellenmariani; hawaii; kenya; leftwingnuts; makeitstop; mariani; obama; obamatruthfile; philberg; philipberg; philipjberg; soetoro; tinfoil
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To: ridesthemiles
I heard a hospital was named in one of his books - I need to check, but I found this (citing Berg):

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074

"There is also a discrepancy in what hospital Barack Hussein Obama was born in, even if he was born in Hawaii. Reports by his own sister in two separate interviews state that he was born at two different hospitals -- Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu."

101 posted on 10/24/2008 5:32:30 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Fithal the Wise

Conservatives care about ‘following rules.’ Liberals don’t, except when the rules can be used to repress conservatives.


102 posted on 10/24/2008 5:36:40 PM PDT by informavoracious (Oust all incumbents.)
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To: All
This hospital's been around for awhile...

http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/default.aspx


103 posted on 10/24/2008 5:37:08 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: All
The other hospital cited has also been around for awhile. I recall hearing (Berg's video?) that one of the two hospitals mentioned by Obama and/or his sister did not exist in 1961. I'll track that down.

At any rate, in one of these hospitals may or may not be the records we seek. I assume a Congressional subpoena in support of the certification of Electoral Votes would have the authority to extract the records - if they exist.

http://www.queens.org/about/history.html

"The Queen's Hospital, now called The Queen's Medical Center, was founded in 1859 by Queen Emma and King Kamehameha IV."

104 posted on 10/24/2008 5:42:56 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: All
http://www.queens.org/patient/records.html

Patient Information

Reproduction of Medical Records

All requests for Medical Information must be made in writing to Queen's Medical Records Department, Release of Medical Information Section. (The Medical Records department does not have radiology films or billing records.)

You may download the "Authorization to Release Medical Information" form (available in PDF) to print a hard copy and then complete. All requests for Medical Information must be accompanied by this form and signed by the patient, legal guardian or next of kin.

Mail completed and signed authorization form to:

       The Queen's Medical Center
       Medical Records Department
       1301 Punchbowl Street
       Honolulu, HI 96813

The completed form may also be FAXed to 808.537.7806. If you have any questions, please call The Queen's Medical Records department, Release of Medical Information Section, during regular business hours, Monday through Friday, 8:00 am to 4:00 pm.

Patient Request (for personal use)
Charges for copies:
   $.25 per page for hard copies
   $.50 Per page for records that are on microfilm
Prepayment Required

There is no charge for physicians and other health care facilities (for direct patient care) if sent directly to a physician or health care facility and requested by them. If a patient requests that information to be sent to the physician or health care facility at the direction of the health provider, it will first be verified before any records are sent.

All other requests are billed directly to the receiver of the medical records (e.g. attorneys, vocational rehabilitation, etc.). For personal and out-of-state requests, fees must be paid in advance.

105 posted on 10/24/2008 5:47:04 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: All
http://www.queens.org/services/pdf/mat_birthcertificate.pdf
106 posted on 10/24/2008 5:56:29 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Fithal the Wise

WHY doesn’t someone ask the GRANDMA in HAWAII WHERE OBAMA WAS BORN????? SHE KNOWS......Good freaking grief....wher’s the PRESS....they talk about Bush being UN-CURIOUS! THIS would be the BIGGEST STORY of their career!


107 posted on 10/24/2008 5:57:54 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
WHY doesn’t someone ask the GRANDMA in HAWAII WHERE OBAMA WAS BORN????? SHE KNOWS......Good freaking grief....wher’s the PRESS....they talk about Bush being UN-CURIOUS! THIS would be the BIGGEST STORY of their career!

The gatekeepers won't let you. I'm sure all questions are vetted. Now she is 'sick' and 'has a broken hip' and 'may not survive until the election'.

Or she may be in cahoots with her 'brilliant' grandson.

108 posted on 10/24/2008 6:02:59 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

The press really sucks.


109 posted on 10/24/2008 6:07:53 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Churchillspirit

“Yes, you can lose US citizenship.”

How?

Please explain and source.


110 posted on 10/24/2008 6:10:18 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: FreedBird

True.


111 posted on 10/24/2008 6:10:25 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Frantzie
and he is not a citizen

The State Department does not normally issue US passports to noncitizens.

112 posted on 10/24/2008 6:18:32 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered...the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph)
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To: kabar

You are correct.

By the way, the Dual Nationality article is on target. I know because of my own birth.


113 posted on 10/24/2008 6:23:25 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

It is USG/State Department policy based on the law.


114 posted on 10/24/2008 6:24:56 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Do you have any further information on how a 20 year old American student entered and exited a country with a ban on Americans entering (except in case of business)? Or how about his Occidental transcripts? Do you have info on how an American, 18 year old freshman was assigned to share a room with 2 foreign, muslim students? Or maybe he was in school as foreign student himself. The point is-— we don’t know. And we don’t know because Obama does not want us to know and thinks he above any and all questions. That is scary!


115 posted on 10/24/2008 6:25:34 PM PDT by gulf1609
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To: cynwoody

“You have appear in front of a US consular officer as an adult and swear that you intend to renounce your citizenship.”

And continue to pay U.S. taxes for at least the next 10 years after that.


116 posted on 10/24/2008 6:28:17 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: gulf1609
Do you have any further information on how a 20 year old American student entered and exited a country with a ban on Americans entering (except in case of business)?

If you are referring to Pakistan, there was no ban on US citizens entering Paskistan. There were State Department travel advisories warning amcits about the dangers involved. Our Embassy was burned down in 1979 in Islamabad among other things. I know because I travelled to Pakistan three times during the period 1979 to 1981.

Or how about his Occidental transcripts?

I guess you could add his Columbia and Harvard transcripts. He has not released those either.

Do you have info on how an American, 18 year old freshman was assigned to share a room with 2 foreign, muslim students?

No do you? Old friends recall Obama's college years

Or maybe he was in school as foreign student himself. The point is-— we don’t know.

If we was in school as a foreign student, he would have to apply from his home country and get a student visa issed by our embassy.

The point is-— we don’t know. And we don’t know because Obama does not want us to know and thinks he above any and all questions. That is scary!

I admit there is a lot we don't know about him, but when people start making wild, unsubstantiated accusations, it really is unproductive. The Obama camp can just pick out a few of the more extreme ones and discredit them thereby removing all of them. Claiming that Obama travelled on an Indonesian passport to Pakistan is one of those.

117 posted on 10/24/2008 6:37:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: gulf1609

“But Obama, by traveling on an Indonesian passport at the age of 20, would have had to renounce his US citizenship”

A little lesson in foreign studies (politics)…A country does not know if one has more than one passport…period.

The only way that country would know if the person blabbed it to them.


118 posted on 10/24/2008 6:39:28 PM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: freekitty
What would we do with out MSM? I don't have a clue.

Most people only believe it's true if it's on a front page.

Hopefully there could be a legitimate news outlet that delivered
news only and not the unwanted opinion of the newscaster. Leave that up to commentaries and talk radio. Oh, I forgot the dominating left don't want either.

They want to silence all opposition so if Zero gets in there will be no opposition at all. Freedom of speech for any opposing party will be considered “hate”

We have an uphill fight thanks to all the ignorants who will no doubt live to regret their devotion to the devil.

Fortunately, I probably won't be here to see it.

119 posted on 10/24/2008 6:40:31 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (ACORN founder Wade Rathke, a Bill Ayers Weather Underground Associate)
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