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Obama Citizenship - Another Focus
from Philip J. Berg lawsuit

Posted on 10/24/2008 3:51:45 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise

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To: gulf1609
A parent can’t take status away. But Obama, by traveling on an Indonesian passport at the age of 20, would have had to renounce his US citizenship. Obama made that choice, not his mom.

First, you are making the unproven allegation that he did indeed possess and travel on an Indonesian passport. Even making that assumption, the US recognizes dual nationality and allows someone to travel on another country's passport without taking away their American citizenship.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship.

Do you have more information on when and how Obama travelled on an Indonesian passport? How did he leave and reenter the US? On an Indonesian passport or a US passport?

81 posted on 10/24/2008 4:51:23 PM PDT by kabar
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To: conservative cat

That’s nice. She is not a natural born citizen, just like my wife. On the other hand, my daughter was born overseas and she is a natural born citizen because both my wife and I are US citizens. She is eligible to be President of the US.


82 posted on 10/24/2008 4:54:35 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Jeff Head

He sure will not turn over or defend. He is hiding the weenie.


83 posted on 10/24/2008 4:54:50 PM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!Jesus is Lord!)
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To: TMA62

Anybody know who is the guest on Fox News Sunday???

Surprise?? Surprise??


84 posted on 10/24/2008 4:56:14 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

I don’t know.


85 posted on 10/24/2008 4:56:38 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ClayinVA

I had a thought the other day, it doesn’t matter where he was born, just that he was the son of an American citizen. That is how the left and the courts are going to rule at this point. I would think that SCOTUS would rule that way in a 5-4 decision. It would be a minor change to immigration law and not to the Constitution.”

When he was born, there were- and still are- segments to being born to an American citizen when born outside the USA.
Stanley Ann did not meet these standards. She was underage as per the Constitution rules at the time.
No matter what, no one can change her age. She got knocked up at 17, and was 18 when she gave birth to Nobama in Kenya. She had to be at least 19 and a citizen in residence of USA for 5 years minimum. I think she had been bouncing around in and out of Canada, also.


86 posted on 10/24/2008 5:00:36 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

I think Obama and the Democratic party will stand together. It will be a coverup to end all coverups.”

If they stand together on this and all are wrong,
they will all FALL together.


87 posted on 10/24/2008 5:03:17 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles
She got knocked up at 17, and was 18 when she gave birth to Nobama in Kenya.

Obama was lucky to have grandparents who would take care of him. On the other hand, I don't know what they were filling his head with.

88 posted on 10/24/2008 5:04:32 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: freekitty

The MSM is Obama’s PR Agents!


89 posted on 10/24/2008 5:05:52 PM PDT by FreedBird (t)
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To: Fithal the Wise

Obama may, in fact, be an illegal resident alien, subject to expulsion from the United States Senate, arrest, and deportation to Indonesia. [258,300]”

GEEEEZZZ—How far do you think Michelle Nobama would get there?

She thought that the stimulus check for a “paltry $600 wasn’t even enough for a pair of earrings”......


90 posted on 10/24/2008 5:10:28 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Tarpon

I agree with you, but we need to try all angles. Your angle is fine, and so is Phillip Berg’s.


91 posted on 10/24/2008 5:10:44 PM PDT by beejaa
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To: ridesthemiles
If they stand together on this and all are wrong, they will all FALL together.

Look at the heights the Democrats have worked to attain - they have turned a sitting Republican President, passed an enormous spending and economic recovery bill against the wishes of the American people, and without critical analysis, marginalized conservative Republicans, villified them in the media and now have a perfect (in their eyes) leftist candidate with a sizable cultic following.

92 posted on 10/24/2008 5:11:43 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: Daniel Ramsey

If he has indeed lost his chance of legally becoming president, his supporters would go nuts. None of it bodes well for the sanity of this nation.


93 posted on 10/24/2008 5:12:56 PM PDT by beejaa
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

Democrats must essentially be prepared to enact a bloodless coup d’état.”

It already isn’t bloodless.

There have been some punches thrown over this mess.


94 posted on 10/24/2008 5:13:03 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

Why is it uncertain which hospital he claims he was born in? Just ask him.
It’s in his book.”

Because he has been making it up for years. There are no records of his birth at either hospital he claims, and there is no record of Stanley Ann ever being there anywhere around the time of his birth.

His lies of a life-time are turning on him.

What did he say a month or so ago?
Politics is like Ju-Jitsu??

He said he just turns around things that are said about him and trows it back.
Seems he cannot throw this back with any kind of truth.

How about Bush and the Supremes putting a hold on this election date until Nobama comes up with papers or admits what I think he has known all along——he is lying, and he is NOT eligible to be President.

It all has been a great big trick on the American people.

Also- I don’t think his father-Obama Senior is black- I think he is Arab Muslim. I am sure he was Muslim, which automatically makes Nobama Muslim, as that religion follows the father.


95 posted on 10/24/2008 5:17:27 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: beejaa

Yes, but if you waste too much time on something which is likely to be meaningless ... But it’s still a free country, right now.


96 posted on 10/24/2008 5:17:31 PM PDT by Tarpon (Barack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: gulf1609

Also, I think he was enrolled at Occidental as a foreign student. I know I would have been a little overwhelmed to have arrived at college and have 2 foreign roomates. Sounds like Occidental roomed foreign students together. Wonder if anyone could find someone who was enrolled as a foreign student there and ask.”

I think you have hit it perfectly.

Nobama will NOT release his Occidental records, his Columbia records, nor his Harvard records.
What if all of them show him to be a foreign student????

He has been lying—silver tongued that he is. He is still a liar.

Vote for McCain/Palin and end this madness. Kick out the rotten ACORNs.


97 posted on 10/24/2008 5:20:26 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Brian S. Fitzgerald

Hospitals normally do a very good job of keeping records.
But the thing is (i’m trying to confirm this after reading FR a few weeks ago) the Hospital he names in his book, was not in existence when he was born.”

Which one???


98 posted on 10/24/2008 5:22:48 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Fithal the Wise

On December 24th at 11pm, a federal circuit court will decide that Obama is not qualified for the office of president and will award the presidency to John McCain. Hillary will immediately sue claiming that she is the legitimate Democratic candidate and the votes cast are for the Democratic candidate and not any specific individual (meaning Obama).
The courts will then deliberate for the next two years while George Bush continues as president until a decision is eventually reached by the Supreme Court.


99 posted on 10/24/2008 5:28:35 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Jim Noble

I do not think Mr. Berg would be wasting his time on this if he thought it was a non-issue. The mother’s age supposedly is the issue. She was 17 which makes it a problem for Obama and he is not a citizen. If she had been 18 then he supposedly would be fine.


100 posted on 10/24/2008 5:32:11 PM PDT by Frantzie
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