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Posted on 10/30/2008 12:00:24 PM PDT by rvoitier
Psychological Warfare is afoot!
True. No excuse for complaining about one poster to another. Seems rather cowardly, doesn’t it? And shouting “troll” at someone because we don’t like what they say is absurdly childish. The actual trolls, the ones that sign up and post one vanity to toss a few stink bombs and go are easily refuted and ignored. Like barking dogs, if they don’t get attention they go away.
Though FR is a conservative minded site there should be room for disagreement and the disagreeable or unpopular.
When it becomes a site where we’re reading from scripts with “acceptable” statements so as to avoid abuse I’m gone.
Please fax your Conservative Identity Papers to www.brownshirts.com/just-routine immediately.
If,IF, approved you will be give a PTOP (permission to post) but in the meantime remember...Those Google satellites can find more than just street addresses.
However, to paraphrase Adler (IIRC), I can't hear what they are saying as their actions speak too loudly. In other words, no matter what they claim about themselves or beliefs, if you buy into their posts and act accordingly, Comrade Obama wins the Presidency.
How could any conservative possibly aid the 1st and 3rd most liberal of all Senators? Anyone who helps make that happen is giving aid and comfort to the enemy and is not conservative.
Your troll list is very important, especially in this critical time when the clear and present danger of 0bama is right here, right now and must not be elected POTUS. Perhaps you should post it?
Your argument rests upon some questionable foundations.
First, this election is not a war, and votes are not prizes or conquests for either of the major parties. To treat the electoral process in such a way degrades and demeans the value of the individual citizen's vote.
Second, the assertion that the only choices in the presidential election are Obama and McCain, and that the individual citizen has no choice but to vote for one of the two is patently untrue. It is certainly possible that some voters are so digusted that they refuse to support either, and such a choice does not necessarily diminish or negate their beliefs in any way. What does diminish an individual voter's beliefs is the casting of a vote for a candidate or a proposal that does not line up with the voter's beliefs.
Last, McCain's peculiar habit of "crossing the aisle" to "give aid and comfort to the enemy" is well-known and well-documented. What this means is that anyone who assists McCain in doing so is, by extension, also "giving aid and comfort to the enemy." By your logic, therefore, since there are only two choices, and both choices will support Socialism, either directly, indirectly, or otherwise, it is impossible to not render "aid and comfort to the enemy."
Of course, such a statement is flagrantly false.
As for Cedric's little list, the compilation of such a list is unbecoming of a conservative and a republican. Yes, quite a few of the newbies (sign-up dates less than six months recent) are trolls, but you go through the established processes to deal with them (i.e., Viking kittens, the moderators, etc.) rather than going vigilante, especially if your discretion fails and you smear non-troll Freepers in the process.
Dang!
I need to get a life!
+ = ncalburt Since Jan 27, 2008
Well let's see. If I were a Obama troll, I'd work at completely alienating those Freepers who don't like McCain but who just maybe might hold their nose, close their eyes and vote for McCain just to keep Obama out of office -- and I'd do a special stepped-up attack on them a few days before the election to alienate them even further and assure that they would never, ever vote for McCain.
Oh, norcalburt & Cedric, you are already doing that! Good job! /sarc
You reveal yourself as an Obamatron to me in that you have not once condemned 0bama for his socialist policies, his anti-American stances, friends and supporters, his anti-America military beliefs, stances and votes, his anti-capitalism and free trade stances, his anti-2nd Amendment stance, his pro-killing the unborn, even favoring partial birth abortion stances and his desires to change the Constitution. Nope, not a word from you that I've read. Obama is a clear threat and must not be elected. You are unable to come out against him.
All you have is the same old McCain immigration policy bs over and over and over. And while I agree with you on this issue, 0bama is worse on this issue and here you are doing all you can to get people to not vote for the only other VIABLE option.
You give aid and comfort to the enemy b/c your efforts are designed to take votes away from the ONLY person capable of keeping the enemy from office: John McCain. While I agree with you that a person should vote in a way that is consistent with their beliefs, this election goes beyond personality to core foundational issues. One of two men will be POTUS and they could not be more different on all but a couple of points.
You are like a Southern Baptist who gets to vote on Satan or the Pope and decides it's better that Satan win because the Pope isn't Baptist enough for you. The thing is? I think all you have posted is posturing so as to make people think that you and others like you aren't the 0bamatrons you are. C'mon out of the closet and just be yourself. You're not fooling us.
If McCain wins, then I will resume my efforts to persuade him to change his stance on immigration. If 0bama wins, we've all lost and the borders will be wide open with no penalties for employers who hire them. But you already know that...
Nicely said.
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Great post, particularly the above.
So now my conservative credentials are measured by how much I condemn the pissant Marxist Obama? Sheesh. It's not particularly hard to realize that Obama is a puppet for certain forces whose agenda is Socialism and control; I couldn't support him, period.
As for McCain, there are limits to my support for Republican candidates with whom I disagree. I draw the line here.
All you have is the same old McCain immigration policy bs over and over and over.
No, actually, I've been posting about his support for bailouts, including his recent vote, and his climate change (carbon tax) plans.
You give aid and comfort to the enemy b/c your efforts are designed to take votes away from the ONLY person capable of keeping the enemy from office: John McCain.
You don't get it, do you? McCain is usually out there enabling leftists like Obama...it's called "crossing the aisle." And that isn't going to change, regardless of whether McCain wins on November 5.
Enable McCain through your votes and your donations, and by extension, you enable him to "cross the aisle" to "give comfort and aid" to leftists like Obama.
I think all you have posted is posturing so as to make people think that you and others like you aren't the 0bamatrons you are. C'mon out of the closet and just be yourself. You're not fooling us.
Wild, baseless accusations.
If this is how the Republicans are thinking, then a massive fracture in the Party's big tent is inevitable.
Ah, yes. Old Sal Lewinsky--truly a beloved character. Born Salvatore Lucania, he changed his name to Lewinsky in the 1930s as to not be confused with the notorious gangster of the same name (Charles "Lucky" Luciano). Sal was a Fuller Brush salesman in the midwest, taking him away from his family for extended periods of time. But boy, oh boy--that man could sell anything. Mops, sweepers, cosmetics--or his personal favorite: snake oil.
RIP Sal.
P.S. In the likely event that you meant to say "Saul Alinsky," my apologies.
I know you're not a troll.
Yes, I have a list of suspect “FReepers”. However, I do not post it indiscriminately. I post it when asked to do so or when the subject is front and center.
You may disagree with my method of “outing” trolls. But, I think my reasons are sound and, thus, I will not cease until this election is (mercifully) over.
The attacks upon unsuspecting, well meaning FReepers is so virulent and pernicious I simply do not believe that the traditional, gentile, methods of dealing with them are effective.
As Rush said yesterday, it is highly likely that there are well organized (perhaps even paid) teams of underminers here and on other Conservative sites.
They prey upon sincere FReepers without remorse, destroying first their enthusiasm, then their resolve. I will not stand idly by and let them do so with impunity.
Again, I'm sorry you were dragged into this fight against your wishes.
I know you're not a troll.
Yes, I have a list of suspect “FReepers”. However, I do not post it indiscriminately. I post it when asked to do so or when the subject is front and center.
You may disagree with my method of “outing” trolls. But, I think my reasons are sound and, thus, I will not cease until this election is (mercifully) over.
The attacks upon unsuspecting, well meaning FReepers is so virulent and pernicious I simply do not believe that the traditional, gentile, methods of dealing with them are effective.
As Rush said yesterday, it is highly likely that there are well organized (perhaps even paid) teams of underminers here and on other Conservative sites.
They prey upon sincere FReepers without remorse, destroying first their enthusiasm, then their resolve. I will not stand idly by and let them do so with impunity.
Again, I'm sorry you were dragged into this fight against your wishes.
Yes, thank you very much for correcting me.
SELAH!
I think you're right.
They've driven me to a white hot fury.
No matter who you hold up as more worthy, they don't have a chance of winning anything more than your vote and your vote may as well be for 0bama. Oh, I know, you didn't vote for him (so you say), but he's still POTUS. What's that tombstone say about the guy who died in the intersection when that car ran the red light? Here lies rabscuttle385. He had the right away.
I'm not saying McCain is my first choice, just that he is the only one who can keep 0bama from becoming POTUS. Our mission here is to protect country and Constitution from the greatest threat I've yet seen in my lifetime.
I like to ask myself, "What would Reagan do?" I have no doubt whatsoever that Reagan would vote for John McCain.
“openly drawing up hit lists (just like the left-wingers and Socialists do) and including established Freepers”
I know people who’ve been banned for less.
Thank you for that.
FR gets its fair share of real trolls and they are outed quite quickly, IMO.
I guess I would caution you in the future to not confuse honest disagreement with troll-ness.
Argue the issues. Argue the facts. Attempting to silence dissent does nothing to win over those who do not agree with you — it probably just reinforces their convictions. Allow others the freedom to voice their opinions — otherwise you will inevitably succumb to (or become) the very enemy that most of us are fighting.
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