Posted on 11/06/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Demosthenes
Forgive me for rehashing this if anybody is tired of reading it, but I finally did all of the research for myself, and have some info you may not have seen.
Barack Obama has never shown his birth certificate. Allow me to explain. A "certification" of live birth is a copy document, accessible by the public, or government agencies, and usually a relatively legally acceptable document in most scenarios. You can use it at the DMV, or to get a passport.
A "Certificate" of live birth is the actual document itself, created on the day/moment of the event, and it is a hospital-maintained record in most cases, accessible only by immediate family and the person for whom it was issued.
Here is what Barack Obama's website put out initially:
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
This image is a fraud, plain and simple. There is no state seal, no Registrar's signature, and only a vague June 2007 stamp on the reverse side. Both the signature and seal are easily visible in any photocopy, and are deliberately so. The artifacts surrounding the text are clear photoshop work. Giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, probably some overzealous aide generated it from a viewing of the regular document.
This is an image from Factcheck.org of what the website put out, excpet here we have an actual photograph, in high resolution, proving the website document a forgery. Notice, this document has the necessary seals and signatures:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
This is, at least, a real document from the State Records office. It is still not an actual copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The State seal and signature on this document certify to all viewers that this document was created by an actual State Agency, is not a forgery, and that the State of Hawaii accept it as a legal and valid document.
Remember, this is simply a legal substitute for the real birth certificate.
Both of these were offered up as "Birth Cretificates" when they are in fact legally-acceptable substitutes for the real thing. In most cases, this is not a big deal. However, in the case of a US President, I believe they are a VERY big deal.
An actual Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, through the 1960s, looks like this:
http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
And the critical bit of information it discloses is the location of Birth.
They are very specific about that, and there are boxes for the location, be it hospital, home, foreign country or otherwise.
This is the document that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii in 2008, in a special action that affected only Obama's Birth Certificate.
How very convenient.
Why has special action bee taken to prevent this document from being seen?
Because, I suspect, there is information on it which would directly contradict public statements about his birth and begin unraveling a number of lies told to the public about his true origin, and raise serious questions about his eligibility.
His sister, and Grandmother in Kenya have both spoken publicly, and made statements about his locale of birth that contradict his own statements.
Why hide it, Mr. Obama?
What reason on earth would you have for asking the Governor of Hawaii to hide this document on your behalf?
“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.” - US Declaration of Independence
Hmmm... sounds a lot like the formation of many governmental positions where which are paid for and from taxations.
It’s amazing how many of these elements of grievances have _some_ analog to our Current government.
Hypothetically, if it were proven quite satisfactorily that BHO was not born in the US or had surrendered his citizenship, and yet the Bush Justice Department declined to enforce the provisions of the Constitution and BHO was allowed the mockery of being sworn in, I really don't see what option there would be.
Sharp move politically. Wonder what Lingle is doing, oh, in about 4 years or so? :-)
The document exists, we assume because it was sealed- but that doesn’t it says he was born in Hawaii.
From the Hawaii web site ( current law, I don’t know what it was in 1961
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As provided by law (HRS §§338-17.7, 338-20.5), the following persons may apply for an amended certificate of birth:
A person born in the State of Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health and
has become legally adopted, or
has undergone a sex change operation, or
a legal determination of the nonexistence of a parent and child relationship for a person identified as a parent on the birth certificate on file has been made, or
previously recorded information in relation to the person’s surname and/or the father’s personal particulars has been altered pursuant to law.
A person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii.
For a person born in a foreign country who has been legally adopted in the State of Hawaii:
An amended birth certificate will be prepared upon receipt of a certified copy of the adoption decree or the certificate of adoption, and payment of fees.
Note: Any additional application forms that may be required will be provided by the Department of Health after receipt of the necessary documents in support of the establishment of an amended certificate of birth.
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SO the point is not that one exists or not - but what it SAYS
It may be all about nothing, but then, why not show it ?
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SCOTUS generally FROWNS on the trampling of the Constitution.
Just look to Brown v. Board of Education, which was 9-0 (southern judges had wanted to dissent for fear of reprisal in their states ... but did not), United States v. Nixon, which was 8-0 (Rehnquist took no part), and Bush v. Gore, which was 7-2 (2 libs - Breyer and Souter joined the majority agreeing that it was a clear violation of Equal Protection).
I think SCOTUS hold the Constitution sacred and will do the right thing.
You’re right that the top document is a modern copy. Look at the lower left-hand corner and you’ll see that it says “(Rev. 11/01) LASER”. And you can see a handwritten “2007” seeping through from the back side.
I’d imagine that this is simply the type of copy that is made all the time as a replacement, a spare, or whatever. I don’t think the copy itself is a big deal. The content of the document, on the other hand...
According to one lefty site.
Notice that the new one lists his fathers race as African, not Negro as it would if the info on the original said Negro.
African was not a RACE in ‘61. African American is considered a race now, but in ‘61 he would be listed as Negro.
The one that looks newer is obviously a forgery.
Hmmm...interesting.So what is it...are his records open to the press or not? Having done some family research in my day I know that states have different laws regarding records of that sort (birth,death,marriage,etc).In some states anyone can just walk in and see a record...and get a copy of it.In other states there are serious restrictions.If Hawaii is a "restrictions" state they should be taken down *only for Osama*.
Demanding that the Constitution be followed is now "treason and sedition"????
Did I wake up in Nazi Germany today?
>It’s too late. Even if it is true, if he is disqualified, then it would literally tear the US
>apart. I believe that the entire US government would go along with the lie in order to prevent
>that. Their jobs and lives depend on it. Even patriots would go along with it because they
>wouldn’t want to the US torn apart. We’ll just have to suffer at least 4 years and then
>maybe in 20 years the truth will out.
“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
— US Declaration of Independence
Honestly, I’m TIRED of one set of rules applying to the common-folk and not to the ‘powerful’ (Uberrich, political, or whatever). I thought JUSTICE was blind...
***then we get...Biden? Oh Joy!***
If the Electoral College were to throw Obama out as a candidate, then he wouldn’t be president, so perhaps the rule of handing it on down to the VP might not apply.
I finally found an article that said Lingle did not seal Obamas BC.
If this doesn't happen,regardless of what Hawaii law may require today,it would be ***absolutely*** reasonable for ordinary folks to assume that *someone* (read:Osama) has *something* to hide.
Something BIG!
Can’t we charge him with........Fraud? He is claiming this fake certificate is his.
I believe that the SCOTUS would be obligated by the 20th amendment to allow the Vice President elect to become President. If the democrat ticket was disqualified then we could possibly have a President Palin? until a special election per your number 4 scenario.
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