Posted on 11/07/2008 7:06:45 AM PST by Wallace T.
Words have meaning. Don’t call it a “coup” if it isn’t one.
Yes, I am suspicious of where BHO will take his power. He achieved it legitimately; this is different from whether, like others you note, he subsequently uses it illegitimately. Adolph, Hugo and Daniel did not stage coups to achieve power, they staged them to continue and extend that power beyond legitimate limits.
ping for later
Agree with much of what you said in your #20.
However, I do not think the Dems will implode as quickly as you suggest, and even doubt they will fail in the near term. There is good reason to believe their political strategy has been well thought out over the past 70 years and the Clinton terms gave them a lab class.
That strategy will become more obvious as O announces his team, Axelrod, Rahm, etc.; to say nothing of the characters-in-waiting. These folks have particular skill sets and histories that will strongly suggest their course of action. Perhaps even more indicative will be the Dems initial legislation. O will not have to dirty his hands; he will even be allowed to play the good guy once in a while.
O’s handlers knew their conflicting promises would cause conflict and they almost certainly have anticipated a loss of support from within the party. Their history is such that they will rely on increasing federal restrictions and controls to compensate for that loss.
What if the sudden collapse of the credit and equity markets in September-October was the result of deliberate action? What would you call it?
Hitler and Chavez were elected to their offices by following the rules, as did Ortega most recently. After achieving the chancellorship and presidency, respectively, Hitler and Chavez began the process of turning what had been democratic republics into dictatorships under the color of due process.
Granted, it will be far more difficult for Obama to do likewise, given the sheer size of the country and the safeguards that the Framers wrote into the Constitution. However, Obama is a second or maybe even a third generation red diaper baby on his maternal side, and his associations throughout his life were with leftists. You cannot say the same thing about Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, etc.
Sorry, kids, but the Second Amendment may be a chimera. It’s a nice security blanket, one that I subscribe to wholeheartedly, but the reality is a little thinner.
For the Second to work (i.e. to use the “reset” button), people have to take up arms and be willing to use them. Before that takes place, somebody must step up onto a soapbox at the front of the mob and start giving orders.
A) Who is going to step up, thereby facing instant arrest? Talking or even e-mailing about this might be enough to bring the thought police to your door.
B) How many people, really, are going to get off their couches and grab their pitchforks and double-barreled shotguns? Those that do will be arrested, until critical mass (maybe a third of the population) is reached. There is safety ONLY in numbers.
C) Just who is the enemy, exactly?
Sad to say, none of this will even start taking shape until things get VERY bad ... soup lines ... and even then I can see it working until at least one military unit switches sides and joins the Constitutionalists.
Otherwise, we’re whistling past the graveyard, folks. Sorry.
I’m more than willing to reconsider, so please ... flame away.
CAN’T see ... sorry.
Anybody remember how to set up Committees of Correspondence? Or was it Committees of Safety ... I forget ...
“Yes, I am suspicious of where BHO will take his power…”
O has already demonstrated he is a threat to our nation…to our “flawed” Constitution”...to the 2d Ad….to the national defense…to our economy…to our election process…etc.
What more would you like to see?
Here is your answer from the grave:
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What wouldthings have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at nightto make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and hadto say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as forexample in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city,people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at everybang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but hadunderstood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in thedownstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers,or whatever else was at hand? [...] The Organs would very quickly havesuffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all ofStalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!” The Gulag Archipelago, A. Solzhenitsyn. Chapter 1 “Arrest”, fn. 5
Thanks for that reminder, Mick. I wonder if The Gulag Archipelago has been banned in schools yet?
Also, Vladimir Putin was elected.
Very interesting But at the same time, that's one of the reasons that I think Obama will move very quickly to go beyond the pretense of gaining cooperation and instead resort directly to force to impose this coup.
I'm not sure how he'll do it - wait for or stage some national "emergency" that lets him seize unprecedented powers, and organize us all into those horrible "corps" listed on his website, perhaps.
But the disturbing fact is that he and, mostly, the smarter people behind him, such as Ayers, didn't get this far by waiting for anything. I suppose you could say that they waited for 40 years until public education had softened up the minds of our citizens and a set of conditions arose that enabled them to move; but they created some of these conditions and obviously had their plan in place and ready to go immediately.
In other words, if the election was the first step, they've already got the next step planned and ready to go before any resistance can build.
At this point it’s hard for me to get a feel for how quickly and how far zer0 and his enablers plan to move. He has many that have gone along with him so far, but will they stay with him if he begins to implement ideas such as the civilian security force. The one fear I have is now that the socialists having gained control of the executive and legislative branches will in the case of a complete financial implosion institute draconian measures which would make any hope of a free and open election a pipe dream. At that point it would take at least the real possibility of a violent overthrow to restore limited government.
I have a feeling that as a first step state’s rights are going to be tested if and when he attempts to institue this civilian security force. I would only hope that certain governors would at that point draw a line in the sand.
Good citation, Mick. Applicable and concise.
Still, I take more strength from numbers. If somebody popped one of the secret police (or Civilian National Security Force ... a rose by any other name ...) then a dozen more will swarm the place. But if there is a crowd of 50 armed citizens saying “no” then the answer is no.
In a related note ... if a dozen guys carrying machine guns and wearing identical clothes, helmets, boots, flak vests, etc., surround your house and kick in the door, how thin is the line between “SWAT team” and “government storm troopers” anyway? Probably just a matter of semantics, I guess. Maybe I just miss Officer O’Malley on the beat and his “community” policing concept.
Neither the big government "conservatives" nor the Christian Right, the two ascendant factions of the 1990s and early 2000s, have effectively countered the leftist onslaught.
I predict that we’re going to start seeing a lot of Ruby Ridge and Waco-like incidents over the next couple of years.
Opposition to the invaders will be crushed so terribly that sympathizers will feel completely defeated and demoralized.
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