Posted on 11/28/2008 2:37:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
Who is Eligible to Apply for the Issuance of a Late Birth Certificate in Lieu of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth?
The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, during the territorial era, to register a person born in Hawaii who was one year old or older and whose birth had not been previously registered in Hawaii. The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth Program was terminated in 1972, during the statehood era.
Certified copies of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth may be requested following the procedures for certified copies of standard birth certificates (see Certified Copies). The eligibility requirements for issuance of a certified copy of a standard birth certificate apply to Certificates of Hawaiian Birth. And the same fees charged for standard birth certificates are charged for Certificates of Hawaiian Birth. Copies of the set of testimony used to establish a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth may also be requested, and an additional fee is charged for each copy of the set of testimony.
Any person to whom a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth has been issued may submit a request to amend an entry, including a legal change of name, on an existing Certificate. A request to amend a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth will, however, be considered to be and treated as an application with the Department of Health for registration of a late certificate of birth in current use, unless a standard birth certificate for that person already exists in the vital records of the Department of Health. Should there be a situation of dual registration, the requested amendment will be made to the standard birth certificate on file if the required documentary evidence in support of the amendment has been submitted and evaluated to be adequate. If there is no standard birth certificate on file, an applicant is required to submit documentary evidence of the birth facts necessary to support of the registration of the late certificate of birth. If approved, the late birth certificate will be registered in place of the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, which must then be surrendered to the Department of Health.
Obviously it does not expressly do so. But sometimes circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when one sees a trout swimming in the milk...
What is really odd is the fact that NONE of the Hawaiian neighbors have come forward with their memories of Ann Dunham, her parents, baby/infant Barack or Obama Sr. other than a couple of sentences by Neil Abercrombie.
NO ONE!
You have a valid point there. Most Americans have the good fortune to be out of any problem, when born there. Only those who have had the misfortune to come across a zealous civil servant would possibly understand. I would not even refer to the case at hand yet, but I would imagine the practice was well known. Just put the child as being born in America, hardly considered as a sin, by informants. People have gone through hell, thinking they were legit and someone finds out they came into the country at six months of age or so.
I have always doubted Stanley Ann Dunham would have left her best friend in that condition. This was her mother. The individual who put her in that way was not to be trusted.
However I certainly don't know that.
The Hawaii DOH has changed this page several times. Bring it up on the Internet Archive/Wayback Machine and look at the prior versions. They have changed the language of the web page to make it look like not just anyone could get one, but according to earlier versions they could.
Here is a link from the Wayback Machine: http://www.archive.org/index.php
Just unreal. They sure aren't looking out for the American People anymore.
There was one, Ray Takugawa, who was a hapa popolo, at Punahou with Obama/Dunham/Soetoro, who was noted in Obama’s autobiographical fiction simply as ‘Ray’ who was found. Unfortunately he was found in jail or recently out on parole and not very forthcoming....whether due to poor memory or some other affliction is debatable.
Editing a GIF file is not exactly rocket science. Changing a "b" to an "s" might have taken all of a couple of minutes. Give me half an hour and I'll change the name to Barack H. Smith, and the image will look OK.
If the scanned newspaper page is legitimate and says Osama instead of Obama, that is probably just a typo, and it does not matter. If someone edited the image to say Osama, that does not matter either. Even if it is legitimate, the newspaper birth announcement is not an official document. Beyond providing some confirmation that Obama's birthday is August 4th, it proves nothing.
This issue is just a red herring.
Thanks. Any way you slice it, a birth announcement in a newspaper is NOT evidence in any meaningful sense.
Maybe if someone who really knew what they were doing investigated this whole thing, we could make something of it. Who was where, when? Who lived at that address at that time? Was Obama Barry’s father at all?
Since we have so little to go on, I think we need to fall back on the official vault birth certificate. What hospital was Barry born in? Who was the doctor? Where’s his baby footprint on the document? And so forth.
But Barry has spent a small fortune blocking all attempts to get this information through several very reasonable lawsuits demanding that he prove his citizenship. Why? Obviously because he has something MAJOR to hide.
The “closest hospital” to the address in the birth announcement was over 7 miles away and on Oahu 7 miles is a long ways!
Except the very act of registering the birth would have generated the birth announcement. As was stated upthread the address associated with the birth announcement was NOT associated with the Dunhams or Obama Sr. Also please note it does not specify where Jr was born!
IIRC he was residing in Texas, but still had a claim in Wyoming. Willing to hear information to the contrary.
I bet Barry hasn't spent a dime of his own money.
Did his campaign and is it legal?
Thanks for clarifying that.
As I said we placed an announcement when our grandson was born and we of course mentioned it to many neighbors and friends. Many people read the vital statistics and I imagine the Dunhams wanted their co workers and friends to know this was a “legitimate” birth. I think this issue —if you mean birth certificate- is very meaningful.
Jr’s sister, Maya, in a 2004 interview, stated Jr was born at Queen’s Hospital. In 2008 she said he was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Jr also mentions in his book he walked past the Kapiolani Hospital, when his father was visiting in 1971, below the room where he was born, also mentioning that the hospital had undergone renovations.
Frank Davis, his wife and their five children, lived on the leeward side of Kalihi Valley, close to Pearl Harbor.(they had lived there from 1956) His address was checked out as well as the address for the Dunhams who were living in a “large house at 2277 Kamehameha Ave.” while Obama Sr was living in “a small single story house at 625 11th Ave.”
” Then there’s the bastardy angle.”
One of the ongoing themes of Obama’s first book “ Dreams From My Father “ is that much of his family history, as told by his white grandparents and his mother-
is probably ficticious.
Obama details over and over and over that his Gramps made up stories
out of “ white revisionism.”
Page xv Introductions
“ I learned long ago to distrust my childhood and the stories that shaped it.”
It is obvious from Obama’s own words that he doesn’t believe a word that his grandparents and his mother told him about anything.
They’re all liars for different reasons.
Especially about family history.
Regarding the marriage of his parents.
Page 22 “ Dreams...”
” How and when the marriage occured remains a bit murky.
A bill of particulars that I’ve never quite had the courage to explore.
There’s no record of a real wedding , a cake,
a ring, a giving away of the bride.
No families were in attendance....”
If his family’s history is in doubt,
and his parent’s marriage is suspect-
then logically, his birth particulars are also in doubt.
However, on page 26 ,
Obama claims to have found his birth certificate
among vaccination records and an article about his father’s graduation in the Honolulu-Star Bulletin.
He hides everything, Cicero. That’s the Bottom Line.
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