Posted on 11/30/2008 6:09:20 PM PST by Red Steel
Citizenship Issue on MSNBC Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the childs birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The parents would be issued a Certification of Live Birth.
This is not proof of where the child was born. It only proves that the parents claimed Hawaii as their main place of residence for the prior year.
British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.
A natural born citizen, would not be a citizen of any other nation than the United States. That is what "natural born" means. By nature, the child, would be only a US citizen, because both of his parents were US citizens, and NO OTHER NATION, can by law claim him to be under their jurisdiction, at the moment of his birth. That was not the case with Obama. He was, by law, a Citizen of the United Kingdom, the moment he was born, and then, by law, he became a citizen of Kenya on Dec. 12, 1963.
For a more detailed explaination of natural born citizen, see my other related video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2kKN...
No problem. I think I should go back to just putting “sarcasm” in parenthesis. Less confusing for the html illiterate, which includes me except I have seen it before and read it called the “sarcasm tag”.
I just skimmed over it but no where did I see natural born status discussed in that material.
Your Godchild might not be Natural Born, which only matters if you want to be President (g).
No...some are STILL hanging on to that to this very day...I just got into an argument with two friends/acquaintances when they said that a couple of days before the election...THIS year.
My guess is that when the SCOTUS reviews this case they will ask Obama for either a copy of his birth certificate of his U.S. Passport. The Justices will see that documentation and then throw out the case against Obama.
I as an American citizen have no right to see Obama’s birth certificate of the birth certificate of any past or future Presidential Candidate. However, I have trust that Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Thomas. Scalia and Alito will make the correct decision after they review the case regarding Obama.
They left something out. You can also lose your citizenship if you sign an oath or swear loyalty to another country. Now an Indonesian passport has to be renewed every 5 years. If he traveled to Pakistan on one, it would have had to have been renewed after his 18th birthday. Now it depends on what he had to sign to get the passport or what it says on the passport above his signature. If it indicates that he is asserting allegiance to that country, then he renounced his citizenship by signing it.
From is legal point of view, this is a totally different case than Bush v. Gore. That much is obvious. The only thing they have in common are that they are what lawyers call "cases of first impression," meaning nothing even remotely close to the particular set of facts in the case has or had ever been adjucated before.
No judge will overturn the election...
Sadly, you may well be correct on that. There has been a distinct lack of courage on the part of the judiciary in supporting the Constitution, and it has been apparent for decades. But one possible result that wouldn't quite overturn the election is to declare The Annointed One constitutionally ineligible for POTUS and to declare Joe Biden as president via the Twentieth Amendment.
Of course he’s natural born - he was born in Texas.
You’re straining at gnats.
The better possibility is the adoption by Soetero and the later use of the Indonesian passport to visit his mother in Pakistan as an adult.
Within the context of the original post he would be ruled out because his parents were aliens.
The 1790 law dealt with citizens born overseas. It imposed no requirement that someone born in the US needed to be born to two citizens to be considered natural-born.
In the mid-1790s it was rewritten so that those born abroad were citizens as opposed to "natural born" citizens.
The re-written law does not mention the term natural-born. However, that does not mean the US has three categories of citizen- US law only recognizes two categories of citizen: naturalized (who do not qualify to be President) and citizen from birth (who do).
This old computer can’t receive it either. Maybe someone will weigh in with an answer.
I try to learn something new every day...that takes care of today. :)
I’m just glad to see we are in agreement. I’m afraid a president with no credentials could be very bad for America.
I would also like to see the paperwork from the adoption to Soetero - was there a change of nationality? When did he change his nationality back?
Furthermore, what kind of passport did he use to visit Pakistan when he visited his mother at 19 years old?
It wouldn't matter. Other countries' views of who is and isn't a citizen are irrelevant.
I don’t know anything about Jindal other then his he was born in Lousiana to immigrant parents who were not citizens.
India use to be a british colony but declared independence in 1947. Not sure when Jindals parents were born. Not sure if it matters because upon independence my guess is all converted to Indian Citzenship.
Kenya was a british colony until 1963, two years after Obama was born so Obama would be subject to the 1948 BN Act.
I am just guessing though. I don’t know enough about and I don’t care if Jindal is or not. If he is not then he can forget about running and he needs to figure it out now.
I don’t think Obama will last actually. He is not even president yet and he has a nervous twitch. Some complained McCain was too old for the presidency. I think many saw in Obama confidence when actually it was arrogance. Arrogance does not stand under pressure. Wisdom and steadfastness does. Obama lacks both. His “friends” carried him to the presidency. Obama had alot of help to get there. MSM was the clincher. I still look back at the whole campaign and the election and wonder how in the world did this guy get elected? I think we’re in for a very interesting year. I think next year will be one for the history books in many ways.
Yes, they left stuff out. But it's all chump change, unless and until we pause for a much deeper look-into this superstar, Obama.
However, the precise definition of "natural-born Citizen" as it appears in the Constitution has been debatable. If it turns out that BO was born in Kenya, I would be certain that he would not be considered a "natural-born Citizen" by any objective logic. But if he was born in Hawaii - as he has always claimed yet never documented - he would have a stronger argument to claim "natural-born Citizen" status.
I dont see it selling with the public and that means elected republicans cant go near it. Judges ignore the constitution all the time, in fact Alito and Roberts made the case that when making decisions you have to be careful about overturning prior decisions even when there is a constitutional basis for doing so. That is because people expect stability in the law(even democrats judges are careful to move slowly in their social engineering)
Right now Obama is at his popularity peak (hopefully) given he hasnt done anything so you wouldnt want a backlash.
Have fun with this but dont get your hopes up. I see no endgame.
Its real interesting. We have also made exclusions to Chinese born in America in the 19th century. It was called the Chinese Exclusionary Act or something like that.
Here is a site with some info on it.
http://www.newswithviews.com/Vieira/edwin84.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm
Read the US vs Wong Kim.
“Does that mean that we can also count out Bobby Jindal?”
If Gov. Jindal’s parents were not U.S. citizens at the time of their son’s birth in the United States, then no, he cannot be considered “natural born”. He would however, be a citizen by birth because they were here as legal residents.
The children born here of parents who are foreign nationals without legal documentation (in the U.S.A. illegally) are considered the nationality of their parent’s country of origin.
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