Posted on 12/09/2008 12:32:05 AM PST by marthemaria
Do you believe that every Christian must have perfect understanding of the Bible in order to achieve or sustain his salvation?
Galatians and Romans are good reading.
“If you do not agree with me, that is fine. Why are you so agitated with what I wrote? Perhaps you need to examine your beliefs.”
Agitated? Nah....I am laughing thru my tears at the things people say. Incredible.
What you and Bush and Romney are saying is:
“I have faith, but not THAT much!”
‘God used evolution as part of the process of humankind’?
So, the “faithful Christians” have come to a place where evolutio-Creationism is ‘the stuff’, oooOOOOOooooo maybe even a cool trend to keep up with the times!
No doubt people will believe anything, with absolutely no evidence, if it will ease their own minds and lack of faith that the Creator God actually has the power to create from spoken words.
You must share with us all the added value of an evolutionary process to any level - when God can (and did) utter the words, and all things came into being.(?)
I’ll be waiting right here for your answer.
Please do not fret over my faith or beliefs. Scripture says to “study to show yourself approved...”...rightly dividing the word of truth.”
The liberal mind is made up against the Bible and their misery wants to recruit more eternal company apart from "The Truth".
So the liberal sees any thread concerning the Bible and he flocks to it as a moth to the light.
Misery loves company.
Sigh... then you must think that the Pope and most Catholics aren’t Christian, either. We believe Genesis to be the story of Creation, not the literal truth.
Fundamentalism - believing the Bible to be the literal truth - is a relatively recent phenomenon.
God inspired human writers to write the Bible. Muslims believe that the Koran is revealed, not inspired, truth.
I highly recommend Paul Johnson’s “A History of Christianity” as an introduction to the history and derivation of the institutions and ideas that go into all the flavors of modern Christianity. It would be futile for me to attempt this through posts.
As for Catholic doctrine and evolution, yes indeed, it is not contrary to Catholic belief to accept the theory of evolution as scientifically accurate.
You really seem to be reading an awful lot into what I wrote that I didn't write.
You might want to start again at the beginning.
I agree with you that God created us and the rest of the universe. What is so disturbing about the idea that evolution might be the METHOD chosen by God to accomplish his will?
Evolution may, or may not, be how God decided to do it but right now it seems to be the best explanation.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
God disagrees with you:
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)
If that Scripture is not true, then Jesus died for nothing. His death on the cross was the biggest mistake of all time.
We would all go to hell as a consequence of sin had it not been for Christ's death. Jesus, and only Jesus, gives mankind a way to reconcile with Him and escape the punishment we deserve for our rebellion against God.
Scripture could not be more clear on this subject. Ignore it and disbelieve it at your own peril.
I leave the judging to God
:-)
Nope, and I do believe James where he states that you shall know “a man by his fruit”.
I can’t really say if GWB is saved or not, but I do know it is UN-Biblical to state that Christians and Muslims worship the same “god”! Hopefully he is, but I doubt it, we must pray for him either way..
Therefore by their fruits you will know them. (Matthew 7:20)
So when I read that George Bush, who has claimed to be a Christian, declare that the inerrant Word of the Living God is not literally true, I have to wonder.
When God said that He wrote the Bible, and some men (fallen men, I might add) consider themselves to be omniscient enough to decide when God is lying in His Word, then I know that it is not God Who has the problem.
I would not say that. My guess is the free republic brotherhood is generally very religious, but split 50/50 on the evolution debate. I respect them and your view. But here are some things to consider since words take on multiple meaning in this debate:
Some refer to evolution and really mean the big bang theory and that the universe is very old. An old universe and old earth are compatible with the biblical account of genesis. Full disclosure, this is my view of creation of the cosmos.
Darwinian Evolution. Many aspects of Darwin's speciation are not compatible with the biblical world view; specifically, references to certain minority groups being inferior to the white race or women being inferior to men. GOD is not a racist or a sexist.
Micro Evolution. Nothing in the bible addresses this and the scientific evidence would point to Micro Evolution.
Marco Evolution. Marco evolution if defined by lower species changing (by chance)into different species (some cases, improved over the host species)is not compatible with a biblical world view. Many reasons for this but here is one. The bible is clear that Adam and Eve are not allegories (although elements of the garden story are allegories). Adam is referred to by other authors in the bible and by Christ as a person. Christ is descended from Adam. Paul writes that by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world. Since the mechanism for evolution is chance, the theory necessities there would have to be several Homo Sapien Sapien (man) evolving from a preceding Homo Sapien species. This clearly contradicts the bible. Christ died for Man's real problem of sin, not as an allegory to wrap up a long standing theme of the Bible. As such, I am not sure how the President, whom I also respect, balances two conflicting world views.
To show you that I not only look at biblical text in coming to this conclusion, I will offer this; DNA studies confirm the one man one woman lineage of man. Studies available on the WWW.
Or more correctly, there is no evidence in the geological record of a world wide flood event. However, a regional flood is very possible and would not contradict the flood story.
We?
Got a gerbil in your pocket?
Yes, I'm sensing that right now.
You can call me whatever name you want and it won't change a thing. I'll stand by what God has said about His Bible. It's far better to have men laugh than to have God laugh.
Bible-believing, Christians who have a personal relationship with God believe that "all Scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Timothy 3:16). Bible-believing, Christians who have a personal relationship with God understand this to mean that the whole Bible is inspired, in that holy men of God "were moved by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1:21) to write the very words of Scripture.
Bible-believing, Christians who have a personal relationship with God believe that this divine inspiration extends equally and fully to all parts of Scripture as it appeared in the original manuscripts.
Bible-believing Christians who have a personal relationship with God believe that the whole Bible in those original manuscripts is, therefore, without error.
Bible-believing Christians who have a personal relationship with God believe that all Scripture centers around the Lord Jesus Christ in His person, work, and in His first and second coming. Therefore, no portion of the Old Testament is properly read or understood until it leads to Christ.
Bible-believing Christians who have a personal relationship with God also believe that all Scripture was designed for our practical instruction. (Luke 24:27, 44; John 5:39; Romans 15:4; 1 Corinthians 10:11; 2 Timothy 3:16)
Finally, the first chapter of the Book of John, written by God, states, that Jesus Christ is the Word:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
So, for those who actually do believe what God has said about His Scriptures, and who take those Scriptures seriously, to deny the Scriptures is to deny Christ. And denial of Christ and rejection of His death on the cross as payment for sin condemns a person to eternal separation from God.
It's that serious.
You can spare me the cut and paste chunks of garbage written by people who, like atheists and apparently like George Bush, have taken it upon themselves to declare God to be a liar. The simple fact is that, just as one example of the literal truth and inerrancy of Sripture, approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and are being fulfilled in our time.
Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102,000.
But that's all just an accident, right? God had nothing to do with it and it's just coincidence and the Bible is nothing but myth and fairy tales and fables.
Give me a break. You don't believe in the Easter Bunny either, I presume? Why don't you spend as much time and energy trying to convince people that he doesn't exist as you are spending calling God a liar?
Thank you very much for the encouraging words.
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