Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b
Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work, which he published in 1758. His monumental work - The Law of Nations - applied a theory of natural law to international relations. His scholarly, foundational, and systematic explanation of the Law of Nations was especially influential in the United States.
The Law of Nations was so influnntial in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the US Declaration of Independence. In particular, his definitions in terms of Law governing nations regarding citizenship, defense of neutrality, and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the United States.
Many have said that de Vattel's Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the US Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel's Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the US Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding US Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the US Constitution used for the 'Natural Born Citizen' phrase they placed within the Constitution. It nails what the Constitution means by the "natural born citizen" phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the US Constitution.
It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Barry Soetoro, AKA Barack Heussein Obama Junior, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the US Constitution Section 1 Article 2.
That is simply the only thing the Rule of Law could conclude. All US military personal and every other American under oath to protect and defend the US Constitution will be duty bound to remove the fraudulent usurper. This situation is REGARDLESS of votes, electors, media blackouts, high profile embarrassments, state court decisions, supreme court actions or inaction, birth certificates real or forged, or any other documents - Obama can NOT LEGALLY BE The US President. Fraud and illegality has become customary under the Bush-Clinton-Bush syndicate of sudden destruction.
Emmerich de Vattel's explanation of "Natural Born Citizen" given in his 1759 benchmark work, used, and so often quoted, by the framers of the US constitution, makes the understanding simple, explicit, clear, definite, exact, precise, and strict. In the CITIZENS AND NATIONS, paragraph #212, de Vattel says: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN."
No documentation is required. Everyone should understand and KNOW the answer to the question of what country is the country of which Obama was a natural born citizen. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Barry Obama, Barry Soetoro, or Barack Hussein Obama Junior, to be a natural born United States citizen. He can NOT POSSIBLY be a "natural born citizen" of the US because his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, was a Citizen of UK and/or Kenya. Barcak Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born British Citizen or a natural born Kenyan Citizen. There is NO possible way Barack Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born US Citizen; because, at the time of Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born, his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior was a British and/or Kenyan Citizen. Whether Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or the moon, is irrelevant. Birth documents, real or forged, are irrelevant. Yes, even VOTES ARE IRRELEVANT. Even Supreme Court action, or inaction, is irrelevant. It is simply FRAUD and illegal for Barack Hussein Obama Junior to be put in the office of US President by any means or reason.
This explains Obama's strange behavior in all of his documents and records being SEALED and why he has already spent over $800,000.00 saying NO DOCUMENTS WILL BE ALLOWED UNSEALED or made public.
Barack Hussein Obama Junior is at the epicenter of the greatest national disaster in the history of the United States. NOTHING which Obama would ever do in the office of US President could ever be anything other than FRAUD and ILLEGAL.
I like the way brother Ted said it - The consequences of the Supreme Court declining to address the US Constitution's "natural born citizen" clause on the morning of Monday 12/15/08 — thereafter enabling the College of Electors to transform the crisis from "law" to "political and Congressional", leading to the `inauguration' of Mr. Obama, are nothing less than catastrophic. Lawsuits by members of the military challenging his `commander in chief' status are INEVITABLE. And a military takeover to oust the "usurper" may be inevitable as well. Where is the media? This is no "tin foil hat" joke.
AN-OBAMA-NATION CAN BE NOTHING BUT FRAUDULENT AND ILLEGAL.
I should include that in the end of the U.S. v. WONG KIM ARK case it was surmised that a citizen at birth is “a citizen of the United States”. It does not define the citizen, however, as being “natural born”. Hence the argument there are four classes of citizenship : non-citizens, naturalized citizens, citizens by birth, and natural-born citizens. The opinions of the Justices in this case are varied and a great read if you have opportunity.
There is another category, citizenship acquired via statute, as opposed to naturalization.
EXCELLENT Sloop!! Welcome to FR.
THEREFORE, at the time of the Fourteenth Amendment, you were either a “natural born citizen” or, if you had citizenship
This states EITHER..OR which means there is a difference.
This is what I am looking for, I am not focusing on the Kenya issue but the FACTS of... he eligible to be “Commander and Chief...President of this country according to our constitution,and I would think even a person with a dual citizenship shows no complete and total alligence to this country..which OUR PRESIDENT MUST have!!
Surely our founding fathers saw the need for that position to be of highest concern with character, virtue and total alligence.
What happened to “WE THE PEOPLE?” Is it laid out in the constition that the Justices are the deciding factor?
Deception is a whirlwind of 1/2 lies wrapped around the hidden TRUTH. That which has been hidden from the American People is the TRUTH. Why hide it? Deception is also better perpetrated through ignorance...how ignorant have “WE THE PEOPLE” become of the matters laid before us in our Constitution?
We just watched a man try to SELL a senate seat. Why was he ALLOWED to be caught? How much corruption would we find if we were allowed to find it?? Are we so foolish as not to believe that all this information on Obama can be bought, buried, distorted, poo-pooed as nothing and those with the highest power and the biggest agenda’s will and can accomplish what they want!!!
There should be a sense of stability and or safety for the American people in their selection of a New Commander and Chief. NOT MYSTERY!!! NOT this!!
That’s what it appears.
Good point. Perhaps, as citizenship at birth is granted by statute, I could safely replace “citizen by birth” with “citizen by statute” to embody the broader meaning. It would also reduce the heightened privilege of “citizen by birth” that folks seem to think exists.
I agree with you, FRiend. It is high time that “transparency in government” became more than just lip service to the voters.
There is a difference between the two, though. Some contend, for instance, that John McCain became a citizen by statute at age 16, in 1952.
But Blackstone's Commentaries was THE work on English common law. And Blackstone says that a child born in England was a natural born English subject regardless of the nationality of the parents. Don't cherry-pick Vattel and pretend that the whole world agreed with him on the subject.
The person in question “Greisser” was not a U.S. citizen at birth (because of his parents), he was neither a natural born or naturalized citizen.
His case does nothing to dispute the simple fact that a “natural born citizen” is someone who is a U.S. citizen at birth. Greisser was not a U.S. citizen at birth, totally non-applicable.
And your way of enforcing that calls for having a military officer perform an illegal and unconstitutional act.
Blackstones commentaries are talking about who is “subject to the king”, and says they are all who are born “in the dominion(s)”.
He is not talking about “natural born citizen” of the United States.
U.S. law and past Supreme Court decisions disagree with you.
If Soetoro did in fact adopt Obama then as an Indonesian wouldn't he have adopted him in an Indonesian court under Indonesian laws? So how would that have caused a change to a U.S. birth certificate?
Like what?
Too late, they've already been cast.
Who were they?
Actually, US citizenship laws recognize citizenship arising both by location of birth and by blood. A child born to two illegals in LA is a natural-born citizen, as is a child born to an American citizen living overseas (with some restrictions to both methods of acquiring citizenship, of course).
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