Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b
I should include that in the end of the U.S. v. WONG KIM ARK case it was surmised that a citizen at birth is “a citizen of the United States”. It does not define the citizen, however, as being “natural born”. Hence the argument there are four classes of citizenship : non-citizens, naturalized citizens, citizens by birth, and natural-born citizens. The opinions of the Justices in this case are varied and a great read if you have opportunity.
There is another category, citizenship acquired via statute, as opposed to naturalization.
EXCELLENT Sloop!! Welcome to FR.
THEREFORE, at the time of the Fourteenth Amendment, you were either a “natural born citizen” or, if you had citizenship
This states EITHER..OR which means there is a difference.
This is what I am looking for, I am not focusing on the Kenya issue but the FACTS of... he eligible to be “Commander and Chief...President of this country according to our constitution,and I would think even a person with a dual citizenship shows no complete and total alligence to this country..which OUR PRESIDENT MUST have!!
Surely our founding fathers saw the need for that position to be of highest concern with character, virtue and total alligence.
What happened to “WE THE PEOPLE?” Is it laid out in the constition that the Justices are the deciding factor?
Deception is a whirlwind of 1/2 lies wrapped around the hidden TRUTH. That which has been hidden from the American People is the TRUTH. Why hide it? Deception is also better perpetrated through ignorance...how ignorant have “WE THE PEOPLE” become of the matters laid before us in our Constitution?
We just watched a man try to SELL a senate seat. Why was he ALLOWED to be caught? How much corruption would we find if we were allowed to find it?? Are we so foolish as not to believe that all this information on Obama can be bought, buried, distorted, poo-pooed as nothing and those with the highest power and the biggest agenda’s will and can accomplish what they want!!!
There should be a sense of stability and or safety for the American people in their selection of a New Commander and Chief. NOT MYSTERY!!! NOT this!!
That’s what it appears.
Good point. Perhaps, as citizenship at birth is granted by statute, I could safely replace “citizen by birth” with “citizen by statute” to embody the broader meaning. It would also reduce the heightened privilege of “citizen by birth” that folks seem to think exists.
I agree with you, FRiend. It is high time that “transparency in government” became more than just lip service to the voters.
There is a difference between the two, though. Some contend, for instance, that John McCain became a citizen by statute at age 16, in 1952.
But Blackstone's Commentaries was THE work on English common law. And Blackstone says that a child born in England was a natural born English subject regardless of the nationality of the parents. Don't cherry-pick Vattel and pretend that the whole world agreed with him on the subject.
The person in question “Greisser” was not a U.S. citizen at birth (because of his parents), he was neither a natural born or naturalized citizen.
His case does nothing to dispute the simple fact that a “natural born citizen” is someone who is a U.S. citizen at birth. Greisser was not a U.S. citizen at birth, totally non-applicable.
And your way of enforcing that calls for having a military officer perform an illegal and unconstitutional act.
Blackstones commentaries are talking about who is “subject to the king”, and says they are all who are born “in the dominion(s)”.
He is not talking about “natural born citizen” of the United States.
U.S. law and past Supreme Court decisions disagree with you.
If Soetoro did in fact adopt Obama then as an Indonesian wouldn't he have adopted him in an Indonesian court under Indonesian laws? So how would that have caused a change to a U.S. birth certificate?
Like what?
Too late, they've already been cast.
Who were they?
Actually, US citizenship laws recognize citizenship arising both by location of birth and by blood. A child born to two illegals in LA is a natural-born citizen, as is a child born to an American citizen living overseas (with some restrictions to both methods of acquiring citizenship, of course).
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