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The TRUE definition of a "Natural Born Citizen."
12-16-2008 | unknown

Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b

Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work, which he published in 1758. His monumental work - The Law of Nations - applied a theory of natural law to international relations. His scholarly, foundational, and systematic explanation of the Law of Nations was especially influential in the United States.

The Law of Nations was so influnntial in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the US Declaration of Independence. In particular, his definitions in terms of Law governing nations regarding citizenship, defense of neutrality, and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the United States.

Many have said that de Vattel's Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the US Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel's Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the US Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding US Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the US Constitution used for the 'Natural Born Citizen' phrase they placed within the Constitution. It nails what the Constitution means by the "natural born citizen" phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the US Constitution.

It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Barry Soetoro, AKA Barack Heussein Obama Junior, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the US Constitution Section 1 Article 2.

That is simply the only thing the Rule of Law could conclude. All US military personal and every other American under oath to protect and defend the US Constitution will be duty bound to remove the fraudulent usurper. This situation is REGARDLESS of votes, electors, media blackouts, high profile embarrassments, state court decisions, supreme court actions or inaction, birth certificates real or forged, or any other documents - Obama can NOT LEGALLY BE The US President. Fraud and illegality has become customary under the Bush-Clinton-Bush syndicate of sudden destruction.

Emmerich de Vattel's explanation of "Natural Born Citizen" given in his 1759 benchmark work, used, and so often quoted, by the framers of the US constitution, makes the understanding simple, explicit, clear, definite, exact, precise, and strict. In the CITIZENS AND NATIONS, paragraph #212, de Vattel says: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN."

No documentation is required. Everyone should understand and KNOW the answer to the question of what country is the country of which Obama was a natural born citizen. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Barry Obama, Barry Soetoro, or Barack Hussein Obama Junior, to be a natural born United States citizen. He can NOT POSSIBLY be a "natural born citizen" of the US because his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, was a Citizen of UK and/or Kenya. Barcak Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born British Citizen or a natural born Kenyan Citizen. There is NO possible way Barack Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born US Citizen; because, at the time of Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born, his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior was a British and/or Kenyan Citizen. Whether Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or the moon, is irrelevant. Birth documents, real or forged, are irrelevant. Yes, even VOTES ARE IRRELEVANT. Even Supreme Court action, or inaction, is irrelevant. It is simply FRAUD and illegal for Barack Hussein Obama Junior to be put in the office of US President by any means or reason.

This explains Obama's strange behavior in all of his documents and records being SEALED and why he has already spent over $800,000.00 saying NO DOCUMENTS WILL BE ALLOWED UNSEALED or made public.

Barack Hussein Obama Junior is at the epicenter of the greatest national disaster in the history of the United States. NOTHING which Obama would ever do in the office of US President could ever be anything other than FRAUD and ILLEGAL.

I like the way brother Ted said it - The consequences of the Supreme Court declining to address the US Constitution's "natural born citizen" clause on the morning of Monday 12/15/08 — thereafter enabling the College of Electors to transform the crisis from "law" to "political and Congressional", leading to the `inauguration' of Mr. Obama, are nothing less than catastrophic. Lawsuits by members of the military challenging his `commander in chief' status are INEVITABLE. And a military takeover to oust the "usurper" may be inevitable as well. Where is the media? This is no "tin foil hat" joke.

AN-OBAMA-NATION CAN BE NOTHING BUT FRAUDULENT AND ILLEGAL.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bc; birthcertificate; certifigate; colb; constitutionfraud; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamatruthfile
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To: briarbey b
As repetituous as this post is, you still didn't make your point.

He can NOT POSSIBLY be a "natural born citizen" of the US because his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, was a Citizen of UK and/or Kenya.

His mother was a citizen. Nobody doubts that. Why doesn't that count?

21 posted on 12/16/2008 5:01:45 PM PST by mlo
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To: briarbey b
"I won't disclose the source as he is out of country and I would be concerned for him."

Good grief. Drama ... catastrophe ... crisis ... national disaster ... birthers.

22 posted on 12/16/2008 5:04:17 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: frog in a pot

Your thoughts?...

The whole thing is so convoluted and no one except Obama has the real story. So many possibilities, there is no way to accurately guess what is on the original BC.

And we should not have to guess he should have shown us the original. Since he refuses to show us any, I repeat any records, of course everyone will make their own guess.


23 posted on 12/16/2008 5:08:53 PM PST by Hang'emAll
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To: briarbey b

I wish this were true, but we all must reluctantly admit that political expediency now trumps constitutionality, and even legality.

For years politicians in border states have left the borders porous because to take any action in accordance with the constitution and the law of the land would cost them votes. Now we have a situation where the Supremes, who are supposedly immune from political considerations, will never uphold the constitution or the law because they are afraid of the race riots and/or open Islamic war that would follow a correct and proper decision.


24 posted on 12/16/2008 5:10:13 PM PST by Bertram3
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To: briarbey b

“Nothing seems right or feels right!!”

It appears history is about to repeat itself. In the 1930’s Mussolini and Stalin were regarded by American “intellects” and the MSM to be brilliant political figures who were leading their nations to wonderful things.

Of course, much of what FDR accomplished is now regarded as being ineffectual or counter-productive. His USSC-packing attempt speaks for itself.

No matter the outcome between now and Jan 20, it seems clear America will have a Marxist president in 2009. I recommend folks step up and become seriously active in politics, it is our opportunity to be patriots.

Plug; see my About page.


25 posted on 12/16/2008 5:10:55 PM PST by frog in a pot (Is there a definition of "domestic enemies" as used in federal oaths, or is that just lip service?)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Figures a dumb blonde would pick that small snippet of some pretty intelligent information to comment on!! ;)

EVERY American citizen should be terribly concerned about what they see happening around them. From the election to the stock market, to the economy, the corruption that is being uncovered ect. ect. ect.

OR you can stick your head in the sand and whistle a little tune,pretending none of it is happening.... when it is!!!


26 posted on 12/16/2008 5:19:40 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: frog in a pot

Thanks Frog for that draft on your about page!


27 posted on 12/16/2008 5:25:10 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: briarbey b

If you actually believe that Obama was born in Kenya, all you need to do is file a suit against U.S. Department of State to release Obama’s DS-1350.

If Obama were born in Kenya, to an American mother, he would have a DS-1350.

Why not just get that document and prove to everyone that Obama was born in Kenya?


28 posted on 12/16/2008 5:25:48 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: briarbey b
There is no serious argument that Vattel was a great authority for the Founders however he was a basis not a sole authority. His work, Montesquieu, Puffendorf, and Blackstone were all used for legal matters. Citizenship is not passed only through the father in this day and age and the Constitution does not use gender specific language in any case. Nor would the Founders claim that a child born to an operative in service to nation would lose any of his rights.

Allegiance is the key to being a natural born citizen not geographical proximity. Native born is not the same as Natural born but if you are native born your are natural born as well. McCain is not Native born but his Natural born because of the allegiance of his family as citizens. This is why this case was rejected and because Congress has the ultimate rule on eligibility. Unlike McCain Zero has not presented a BC to a court as far as we know and, hence, we do not know if he is Native born, Natural born or Kenyan born.

29 posted on 12/16/2008 5:28:36 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: trumandogz

I don’t know where he was born. The whole point of the post was the definition of “a NATURAL born citizen.” NOT just a citizen but a NATURAL born citizen. I am that..it is no big deal for me to prove I am that. I was always taught..where you find smoke..you will find fire! I see alot of smoke!!


30 posted on 12/16/2008 5:31:15 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: allmendream

Nice reminder. Thanks for staying on the case. If Zero was born in Hawaii he is eligible. All this other crap does is distract from the real issue. No wonder the Court dropped the case.


31 posted on 12/16/2008 5:31:28 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: briarbey b

Can you point to me where in the Constitution, legislation of case law, where “Natural Born Citizen” is defined?


32 posted on 12/16/2008 5:34:15 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: mlo

It counts but not when the mother is under 18. After becoming 18 she could have passed on citizenship to her offspring.


33 posted on 12/16/2008 5:34:33 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: briarbey b

LOL ... oh, okay. Since I won’t jump on the dramatic birther bandwagon, I must not care about the economy or any other important issue of the day. Jeez, you guys are simply bizarre ... but entertaining nonetheless.


34 posted on 12/16/2008 5:34:54 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: arrogantsob
Unlike McCain Zero has not presented a BC to a court as far as we know and, hence, we do not know if he is Native born, Natural born or Kenyan born.

I fear as a country we have been so globally brainwashed it doesn't matter one way or another to most people. Sovereignty is no longer important.

Anyone seen my T.V. remote????

35 posted on 12/16/2008 5:35:33 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: trumandogz
I don't buy that argument, either. His place of birth is important. If he were born in Hawaii, he's a natural-born U.S. citizen. In the United States, citizenship is by location, not blood.
36 posted on 12/16/2008 5:36:13 PM PST by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven! (USCG Aux))
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Thank ya sweetie...but I’m not a guy...just ANOTHER DUMB blonde!! LOL And I have concerns and questions.


37 posted on 12/16/2008 5:38:06 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: RobinOfKingston

Under the right circumstances, the horrors we see in the world around us are possible right here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Search Stanley Yankus, wheat farmer and read the story of a farmer who left this country for Australia in 1959 because the government, basing their actions on laws passed under FDR, levied fines on him for growing wheat to feed to his own chickens. In truth, the ink was not dry on the newly written constitution before the scoundrels started plotting how to bypass its provisions.


38 posted on 12/16/2008 5:38:17 PM PST by RipSawyer (Great Grandpa was a Confederate soldier from the cradle of secession.)
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To: Bertram3

That is false. This case has been dismissed because it is based upon a misinterpretation of law. It was dead in the water from the beginning. And the claims that the offspring of military families is not Natual born is contemptible.

It is a huge exaggeration scaring people away from this. A riot or two might occur but they can be easily put down and might allow the permanent removal of a lot of riff raff. This is not a serious consideration for the USSC. Certainly not one which would cause it to jettison the constitution.


39 posted on 12/16/2008 5:38:51 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: trumandogz

See #10. A citizen at birth is a Natural born citizen.


40 posted on 12/16/2008 5:41:41 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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