Skip to comments.Importance of the newly located Dunham/Obama Sr divorce decree in proving ineligibility
Posted on 01/03/2009 7:01:24 AM PST by dascallie
Last night Ed Hale presented the (heretofore, unseen) divorce decree on Plains Radio between Obama's mother and Obama Sr ( her FIRST marriage).
The key bonus in this was the revelation of the specific version of her name in the decree, Stanley Ann D. Obama.
Using this precise name variation ( the abbreviated, initial "D" --instead of 'Dunham', was the cipher that broke open the search), they are claiming to have now located a POE (Port of Entry ) document that Obama's mother provided when she returned to the US with her son--soon after Obama's birth, (allegedly in Kenya).
The POE allegedly includes Obama's birth information/certificate ( British Kenya) as required for entry. Stay tuned for events...see other comments below. -------------------------------------------------- DesertVet Newbie
Posts: 11 Re: Obama-Dunham 1964 DIVORCE DECREE Forthcoming « Reply #53 on: January 02, 2009, 09:39:16 PM » ***********Stanley Ann D. Obama*************
No secret I've been highly skeptical on this whole ordeal. I'm now beginning to think this could very well lead the way to the smoking gun. Until this document she has only been known as "Dunham", no where in public records has Obama's Mothers name read as it does on this divorce decree. I believe the "D" being abreviated has allowed them to locate her records. This has led them to a "port of entry" birth certificate for Barack Obama. She submitted this POE certificate when she came back to the US, and the fact that there is a POE Certificate...proves that he was indeed born out of the country.
This would mean that Obama has never been through Immigration & Naturalization Services in his life, he became a citizen of Indonesia, and never applied for a U.S. passport. If this is the case, then he's not even a citizen, let alone a natural born citizen.
I'm not 100% certain on my assertion of above take on this document issue, but I think it is HIGHLY plausible. I'm still not ready to dance in the streets by any means yet (Yeah, I'm a tough sell). But I am quite intriguied at the moment. Couldn't say that earlier today.
WIll one of you repost the information Elsie is asking about? TY
I don’t believe they can just “change the law” as it is written into the Constitution. There is a specific ratification process in place written therein.
Of course, in these days of up-is-down, right-is-wrong who knows what would happen should we receive irrefutable proof that Nobama is not a “natural born citizen”.
If a desire for truth and reason and a disdain for grade school conspiracy trotted out as probability is 'festering hostility' to you then I plead guilty. This whole line is bullshit and you are perpetuating it.
I think it all still holds and in fact, is premise of many of the arguments against Obama’s eligibility.
It was not, is not idle imho, but as in the case of all of this, getting a legitimate legal forum or court —or the mainstream press—to consider evidence against the eligibility of a democratically elected president is a daunting task.
As for a link to the Clinton's findings, you should direct your questions to Joann37. She is the one that contends nothing has been found. I contend that Berg is working under their direction.
Yes I expect them to follow the letter of the law.
yeah guess that’s how detective work goes, eh?
under every rock is another rock.
Makes sense, seeing how she was in the company of a British subject (citizen of a British colony) at one time or another during her trip. It’s likely that a British airline would be the primary carrier into and out of this British colony.
In a different post, possibly at a different site, Baltimore was mentioned as the next clue, per Ed Hale. I do not know if this was disinformation on Ed’s part, or erroneously posted (intentionally) by the poster, or actually the truth and therefore the POE?
The better route to HI would be a Pacific route. No US POE necessary...
That’s the information I got also. Will try to confirm it with BP
He shows up on a thread like a thirteen year old troll who just discovered a new cuss word and then tells the originator to move along?
What a richard.
The most conspicuous ‘real world reason” is the elephant in the middle of the room that you refuse to look at.
The fact that Obama operatives have stonewalled —to the tune of large sums of money, people, resources and gyrations—the release of his “birth certificate”.
This is not arbitrary.
It is UNREASONABLE for any REASONABLE person to stonewall the release of their birth certificate unless they have something to hide.
Which is the originating event that has spawned all of this.
It is your choice to remain stubbornly myopic in the face of such illogic, but aim your fire elsewhere while we investigate to try and make some sense of this.
That says that all Indiana Electorates voted “Present”.
Oh the irony.
Thanks for the post, dascallie. You have proven to be a credible source of information regarding this issue and I appreciate the research you do in your desire for the truth.
That would seem logical but even today if you search Hawaii-Kenya flights they all go through mainland USA.
Never mind, the Indiana electorate voted for Obama.
Where's this 'evidence' you profess?
You're dismissing any influence that her husband may have held over the possible decision to travel to Kenya. One glaring fact is that Obama's mother traveled A LOT!
You mention the word evidence... isn't that the whole reason why there have been literally thousands upon thousands of posts, and thousands upon thousands of hours devoted to uncovering evidence about Obama? In fact, there's damn little evidence available; thus the research continues indefinitely.
Nor do you have that basic knowledge. You can live in any fantasy world you choose to live in, and your youtube does not at all prove what you claim. The term "natural born citizen" does not seem to have been precisely defined by any US court review of its constitutional meaning.
So what if the Senate passed a resolution declaring McCain to be a natural born citizen. That resolution might have ended the questioning in 2008, but Senate resolutions do not settle constitutional questions. They're not even laws. That is given in the youtube as proof of the meaning of the term, Lol.
The reality is probably that this question has rarely come up, and the term has not been precisely defined, like many other general terms in the U. S. Constitution.
There are constant questions about second amendment rights before that courts all these years later, because their meanings are not precisely stated in the constitution.
Unless you can show where federal court decisions have precisely defined "natural born citizen", you're just blowing smoke.
We probably agree on the importance of the questions surrounding Obama, but I do not believe that this critical term has precisely defined and affirmed in the federal courts. And if not, it's not settled law. And like any constitutional question, it can be argued from more than one interpretation.
Aren't there a couple of electoral votes for some other person who is also eligible to be one of the three? McCain has the same problem Obama has--he is foreign born; citizen of Panama at birth.
You mean like the Axelturfing described here:
Wonder who is getting paid and who is being cheated and working for nothing? Guess it’s part of spreading the wealth!
According to Plainsradio, the POE was NOT Hawaii.
How do you assume it was a nonstop flight from Africa to Hawaii. And where do you get that WE think that?
How about using YOUR brain.
I resent that remark!
I WANT CREDIT FOR PERPETUATING IT TOO?
Are you Axelturfing?
Your first post out of the gate was bullshit, and you haven't let up!
No one said she was a minor at the time of his birth. She would have had to been at LEAST 19 to transfer natural born citizenship to him. That is not a minor.
I WANT CREDIT FOR PERPETUATING IT TOO?
should have read:
I WANT CREDIT FOR PERPETUATING IT TOO!!!
We have had this discussion a few times also. You get from Africa to the US on BOAC (British Overseas Airlines); you go to either New York City or Vancouver BC and connect--usually, the Vancouver BC connection is through Seattle.
You can also speculate that the connect on which he is tripped up by this issue is the return from Indonesia which might have been any one of the West Coast POE's.
Yes, I just checked expedia and the return flight would go from Kenya to Nairobi, Nairobi to London, from London to Los Angeles, LA to Honolulu.
I'm not arguing with you, just pointing out that she may not have thought the same things were important.
Perhaps today, but in the 60’s Pan American Airways didn’t transit the US on their “Hawaii Clipper” route. There were a few Western gateway cities to Honolulu.
The Eastern flights pretty much stuck to the East and the Western to the West. The logical route would go East from Kenya as opposed to transiting that continent as well as North America. And conversely West from Honolulu to Kenya on the Eastern edge of Africa. I don’t believe Pan Am had an African point of origin in the early 60’s but I could be wrong so it would have had to been a foreign carrier.
This is all speculation, however, because she very well could have used British Airways which would have likely required a London stop and an Eastern point of entry. Or East African Airways which only flew intra-Africa and to Europe.
I have a special affinity for the history of South Pacific travel as my grandmother was one of the first female Pan Am flight attendants. ;-)
So true. One thing that seems to be certain is his mama seemed determined to be as outrageous as possible. From the nakey pictures, to interracial dating in the 50’s and early 60’s, to the marrying of muslims and moving to Indonesia villages. Everything seemed to be as counterculture as possible in her world.
The scrutiny given the application for one- is negligible or nonexistent for a newly elected Senator. One of Obummer’s imperious minions, after his selection to US Senate, would merely snap a finger and State would have issued him a VIP passport for his “official travel”. And no doubt he considers all his travel as official and VIP. So his having a US passport NOW, does not eliminate doubts as to his US citizenship
Frankly, all of the US Constitution is based on “technicalities”... it is merely one man's opinion or another what is a “technicality”. That is the whole reason for the USSC. They determine black and white from gray “technicalities. Otherwise, we have chaos as each person makes their own decision what is a mere “technicality”. We are in sad shape that even the Founder's efforts to be precise with enumerated powers are now mere “technicalities” having been destroyed by the uncontrolled actions of unchallenged legislative and executive branches. Congressman Ron Paul tried to challenge Congress unconstitutional revenue raising actions and was told he did not have "standing". Thus far in trying to challenge Obummer, "no one has STANDING"
If defined citizenship is a “technicality” to Obummer, then so are other parts of the US Constitution, soon tbd. Pick that carcass of its “technicalities” often enough and soon it will wither.
We are now exposed to a clean cut articulate (with pharmaceutical help) hustler like Obummer, to stand up there with his bony hand on Lincoln's Bible, swearing under “God” to support and defend the Constitution he just pimped, having pulled the supreme audacious scam of US history, with full compliance of the public, the govt and media, to lead us further away from being one nation under a Constitutional framework, and into the moral and civil jungle of “whasshappeningnow”
That’s a possibility....We are brain storming here....Jst thinking of different possibilities....At long as they stay logical, they ARE reasonable.
Wish we had a data sight where we can actually do some of the research....but this will have to do for now.
...”Plains Radio Network Monday night, 7 eastern time. Another bomb shell will land in Obama’s playground...”
Perhaps it is now time we had a process for checking out POTUS and VP candidates for the future. I suspect it is too late for the issue to make any difference to Obama's inauguration.
Have often wondered if the reason Michelle did not travel with him on his Summer Tour was because she didn’t have or couldn’t get a passport....Just a thought.
One of her high school friends in state of Washington recounts Stanley showing up at her house with a newborn infant .... she did not know how to diaper
This odd little ancedote suggests Stanley did travel solo with her newborn- perhaps flying into Canada (from Honolulu... or Kenya?) and then traveling to State of Washington, which was her real hometown
Of course....you may share as much credit as you like for perpetuating this nonsense. I’ll even throw in the API fraud and the Sinclair circus for free.
Or perhaps she was too PO’d, given exposure of his affair with Vera Baker, who was subsequently banished to Barbados
Note that Michelle went on NONE of the family outings in Honolulu except the ash dump. This was and is an angry woman.
Michelle for the next 4 years gets the chance to stand by her man...but probably without Hillary Clinton’s soft shoulder to cry on
That's my point genius....there has been no evidence shown. But don't let that dim your enthusiasm.
You have the 1961 flight routes? Check routes from Kenya back to/through Vancouver Canada
but babies still need to eat and therefore be changed...No pampers available then... Granted she may have breast fed him, but she must carry both clean and dirty dydees with her....Add in she was not considered to be very motherly by friends IIRC.....
"In addition to..."
IOW, one must first hold a valid US passport in order to obtain the "in addition to" document.
She has stories, I'll bet.
I assume Biden steps in if Obama is not Pres? (no matter what I dont think O will be denied Presidency)
I contend Obama never has had to follow ANY or the rules of “you are supposed” to, if he didn’t want to
If he wanted/needed a black/VIP passport for Senate travel, he could get one same day without the documents the rest of us little people would have to produce. Just send one of his imperious black minions like Valerie Jarrett over there to get in the face of the State Dept bureaucracy and DEMAND her master be served
I see that we are in agreement on something... that- I am a genius. My family is going to be SO surprised. ;o)
Her anger stems from her deep and abiding hatred, perhaps only vaguely and recently redirected from the nation which has given her so much opportunity. Some folks can’t help but bite the hand, don’tchaknow. Sit in Wright’s hate filled church fro twenty years and see what kindness bubbles from you. Only the whites int hat church seem meek. Defiant hatred is the hallmark of the black people interviewed from that church. It’s the harvest of black liberation theology. It’s not from the Svior, it’s from ‘another source’ of spiritual power.