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Do You Want Obama to Succeed or Fail?
Patriot Room ^ | 1-19-09 | Scott Martin

Posted on 01/19/2009 2:12:47 PM PST by Scott Martin

I originally took the mindset that I would wish Obama the best during his presidency for the good of the country, but I kept having nagging thoughts that were bothering me. Rush Limbaugh said something the other day that made me realize the problem I was having:

I Hope Obama Fails

RUSH: I got a request here from a major American print publication. "Dear Rush: For the Obama [Immaculate] Inauguration we are asking a handful of very prominent politicians, statesmen, scholars, businessmen, commentators, and economists to write 400 words on their hope for the Obama presidency. We would love to include you. If you could send us 400 words on your hope for the Obama presidency, we need it by Monday night, that would be ideal." Now, we're caught in this trap again. The premise is, what is your "hope." My hope, and please understand me when I say this. I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds. We've got to give him a chance." Why? They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed...

Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care... So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails...."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fail; obama; presidency; rushlimbaugh
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To: Scott Martin

If, as many suspect, he is NOT a US citizen...the system already has failed...and we’ve been Trojan-horsed big time.


81 posted on 01/19/2009 2:54:26 PM PST by mo
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To: Scott Martin

I want him to fail - personally, politically, psychologically, drug test-wise, agenda-wise, and in every manner conceivable. I want his failures to be numerous, widespread, 360 degrees - and publically, shamefully, and even criminally. I want the leftists to be so tainted by his massive failures that they have to crawl into a cave to lick their wounds for two generations. And may his failures drag many of his fellow leftists into a voluntary obscurity or even imprisonment.


82 posted on 01/19/2009 2:54:29 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Scott Martin

I don’t want him to succeed at what he has planned for this country. If he fails, the country is better off.


83 posted on 01/19/2009 2:54:37 PM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (The Big 3 Auto Makers - Where Attention to Kwality is Jobe Won.)
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To: Scott Martin

Depends I suppose, on what sort of “failure” you are talking about.

For example I don’t think there very many Americans who would wish Obama to “fail” in the WOT, if that for example meant the detonation of a nuclear weapon in an American city - and if there are any I certainly, wouldn’t consider them patriots, however sincere their belief that this might be a “good thing” for the country in the long run.

Or, if they really thought it through, I doubt very many people would really want attempts to stabilize the banking industry to “fail” - there’s a very good chance that if so we would be back in 1932.

And then there’s the question, more generally, of how much grief you’re willing to wish on a country in order to get people “to come to their senses” - somewhere along the line you can end up like the old-line Marxists who used to talk about “heightening the contradictions” to the point where the workers “would come to their senses” about the evils of Capitalism.

And if you’re of the opinion that Democrats badly damaged the security or economy of the United States by their attacks on George W. Bush, you have to consider the possibility that Republicans can now to some extent be guilty of the same sins.

And then there’s the very Burkian question of discounting potentials future “improvements” to present value in relation to current grief - for how much theoretical future improvement in the way the banking system operates is it worth having three or four houses on your block vacant, boarded up and vandalized in the meantime?

And then there’s the fact that future really is unknowable. As was demonstrated post-World War I in places as different as the USA, Germany, Japan and Russia,there’s no guarantee that political and economic “failure” by the present government ends up in subsequent “success” by the sort of government you prefer.

So on general principles I would suggest caution when it comes to the question of hoping for someone else’s failure as opposed to pursuing success for the programs one prefers - to the extent your ideological opponents programs are really unworkable, their failure will eventually take care of itself.


84 posted on 01/19/2009 2:54:53 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: Scott Martin

If he promises to just shut up for a couple days, I’d be happy.


85 posted on 01/19/2009 2:56:18 PM PST by Zathras
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To: Scott Martin

The ONLY way Zero can “succeed” is to have a miraculous Saul-On-The-Road-To-Damascus type conversion to conservative economic principles.

In that context I’d say “succeed”.

As his socialist self...I say FAIL YOU COMMIE RAT BASTARD!


86 posted on 01/19/2009 2:56:32 PM PST by Zman516 (socialists & muslims -- satan's useful idiots.)
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To: Scott Martin
Epic fail!

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

87 posted on 01/19/2009 2:58:44 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Bon mots
I try to point out that he has no experience and does not even understand how it functions. But being called a racist by a black person is enough to destroy your credibility, so I just sit back down in my first class seat right behind the locomotive and try to brace myself as best I can against the coming trainwreck.

Yet, he is going to crash this train so hard that I cannot believe that the rest of the people on the train voted to give him the 'keys'...

I'm with you. Tomorrow O becomes the engineer of the US socialism express. I have a feeling that things can't turn around until he drives us off the cliff. But he's intent on doing just that.

88 posted on 01/19/2009 2:59:12 PM PST by Swing_Thought (pes.si.mist: [pes-uh-mist] 1. a well informed optimist.)
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To: Scott Martin

No brainer: Fail


89 posted on 01/19/2009 2:59:36 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: Scott Martin

90 posted on 01/19/2009 3:00:08 PM PST by Revolting cat! (After all is said and done I'm goodier goodier than you!)
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To: Scott Martin

none of the above...


91 posted on 01/19/2009 3:01:52 PM PST by gunnyg
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To: dilvish

I agree with you. I want him to succeed in keeping this country safe, and at getting us out of this economic mess we are in. I want him to succeed in creating jobs for those who need them. I don’t want him to succeed in raising taxes, at removing restrictions on abortion, at increasing social spending or at reducing the strength of our military. That doesn’t mean that I am optimistic that he will succeed. I just hope that he doesn’t do too much damage.


92 posted on 01/19/2009 3:03:12 PM PST by ga medic
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To: Scott Martin
I wouldn't seek a blanket failure. I would ask specifically that any programs leading to socialism or marxism be defeated, and only those in the best interest of this constitutional republic come into fruition.
93 posted on 01/19/2009 3:05:01 PM PST by elpadre (nation)
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To: Scott Martin
I hope for his failure just like the liberals have prayed for G.W. Bush to fail. May he fail as bad as Carter so that he allows Paylin to become another Reagan.
94 posted on 01/19/2009 3:05:10 PM PST by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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To: DivaDelMar

J.C. Watts!


95 posted on 01/19/2009 3:08:22 PM PST by southernerwithanattitude ({new and improved redneck})
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To: ga medic
you do realize that these big ticket government programs will never go away. Like social security they will become attached at the hip forever.

Each of his programs must be examined carefully and opposed if the smell like a future entitlement.

96 posted on 01/19/2009 3:09:22 PM PST by elpadre (nation)
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To: dilvish

Exactly.

I want our country to get back on its feet and the economy get going again. We can deal with BHO fallout as long as he;’s limited to one term.

Elections have consequences, I hope all those who sat on their hands in November are happy.


97 posted on 01/19/2009 3:14:54 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Scott Martin
Sure I want him to fail. I hope he slips and takes a “fell” in the bathroom, lands head first in the toilet and a secret service agent in his haste to grab the jerk’s ankles, pulls the flush chain in stead and whoop, our problems are solved. President Joe Biden. Uggg. Maybe the SS guy should save him. Decisions, decisions.
98 posted on 01/19/2009 3:17:51 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Jan 20, 2009: The Day Liberty DIED. Marxism & Communism officially are our government.)
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To: culpeper
Watch, A new York Times headline will declare a vast right wing conspiracy has orchestrated his placement at the helm of an unsinkable ship that hit an iceberg over three years ago but only now have the passengers discovered they are going down.

It's a trick the conspirators learned from Bubba.

99 posted on 01/19/2009 3:18:33 PM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: AmericanVictory
Obama can't fail.

Who in the MSM would take note of any failure? In fact all that O'bummer has preached is how bad things are and how much worse it will get. He knows he's not up to the task and is already busy making excuses. If there is any failure to be acknowledged by the MSM it will be the American people not willing to fully follow The Great Deliverer. Not obeying the Great One, will result in a chaos of our doing they will say. In other words he can't fail, we will.

100 posted on 01/19/2009 3:19:18 PM PST by topfile
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