Posted on 01/23/2009 12:08:54 PM PST by Corazon
When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible today to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.
“I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls.
His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.”
The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.
“I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it,” said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the “Stanley” connection.
She also remembers Dr. West mentioning that the baby’s father was the first black student at the University of Hawaii and how taken he was by the baby’s name.
“I remember Dr. West saying ‘Barack Hussein Obama, now that’s a musical name,’” said Nelson, who grew up in Kenmore and went to Hawaii in 1959 to be in Jo-Anne’s wedding party. When Nelson was offered a job as a newspaper reporter and photographer......
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What pure unadulterated tripe. First of all physicians were, and still are, pledged by their oath NOT to discuss patients with anyone. That is an oath that they take very seriously, and not something they casually bring up over a martini at a dinner party. Secondly, Nelson pens the info down on a napkin to write to her father as he would be interested to hear there is another person with the name if “Stanley” existing in the world. What tripe, tripe, tripe.
Yes, many black babies are not dark at birth. I’ve seen it.
Yes it was a typo as b is next to n.
There are several Hawaii newspaper accounts of Sun-Yatsen and his COLB in Hawaii. Here is one:
http://archives.starbulletin.com/2000/03/16/editorial/smyser.html
As for your ‘facts’, they seem irrelevant and certainly your conclusion is speculative. For all anyone knows Ann Stanley may not have known she was pregnant when traveling, or she was pregnant shortly after beginning her travel, whatever shortly means here, it’s just speculation. There are no facts here.
No, there are no ‘facts’ established about Obama’s birth other than he has a COLB in Hawaii which proves nothing about being born in Hawaii.
But there are facts that he had two law firms block release of the long form vault copy of his Birth Certificate, based on ‘privacy’ concerns, which are absurd in the case of a presidential candidate.
His actions do not lend confidence. That’s a fact.
I know that I just love to see people assert something and have no answer when confronted with a true known fact such as the address in the birth announcement and something besides verification that since something is done a way now doesn’t mean it was done that way in the past. I read the articles which stated a writer with the paper later in the 60’s and early 70’s mentioned how the birth information gets into the papers but he could not say if the same method was used in the early 60’s. Some people just assume so much that they forget the infamous saying regarding assume!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9934967/Berg-Hollister-v-Soetoro-aka-Obama-Biden-Complaint
Page 8 under item 22 of the Hollister complaint.
Hollister’s attorney would probably not include this if it were not verifiable.
See #117. In #191 I was giving some examples of facts that I think almost everyone here would agree to, and which specifically do not rely on the birth certificate.
In a court it would mean showing your birth certificate if asked ... We are deporting those with fake BC and SS now when we find them. How is Obama exempt from that?
Despite what self-appointed "experts" say on FR, IMHO it hasn't been shown that Obama has a fake birth certificate or SS #. And so far no court has asked the State of Hawaii or Obama to turn over his long-form birth certificate.
Even a lot of people who question whether Obama is a "natural born citizen" still accept that he is a citizen by virtue of having an American mother. Even if something funny turns up about his original birth certificate, he's not going to be deported.
Interesting, but I don't think any conclusions can be drawn about whether the State of Hawaii would issue a COLB to a non-citizen based on what the Territory of Hawaii did involving a very special individual nearly 60 years earlier.
I noticed some other posters agreed with me that there is no hard evidence that Maya Soetoro was issued a COLB. She must have become a citizen in some other way.
For all anyone knows Ann Stanley may not have known she was pregnant when traveling, or she was pregnant shortly after beginning her travel, whatever shortly means here, it’s just speculation.
The whole idea that she traveled at all before giving birth is much more speculative than anything I said.
His actions do not lend confidence. That’s a fact.
I agree that it would be much better if he arranged release of his original birth certificate.
What a bunch of lying crud. And the lefties say that Joe McCarthy had no shame!
Ping to interesting stuff in this thread
still thinking about that ‘filed’ and not ‘accepted’ thing, and how Stanley Ann could’ve filed out the information herself with no corroboration, which could explain the wrong address published in the paper, mentioned earlier in the thread. I doubt Grandma, Grandpa or any doctors would lie on the paperwork...
SA's friend in Washington noted how strange it was that she seemed not to know how to change a diaper after Zero was weeks old. Someone else said a mid-61 picture they'd seen of SA didn't seem to show any signs of her being preggers.
HF
SA's friend in Washington noted how strange it was that she seemed not to know how to change a diaper after Zero was weeks old. Someone else said a mid-61 picture they'd seen of SA didn't seem to show any signs of her being preggers.
HF
Even though baby O was not actually born in Hawaii, she maneuvered documentation so it would reflect that he was a citizen of Hawaii. Hence, things would be in order when she got over to Washington State.
There are many examples of persons not born in Hawaii being issued a COLB. The requirements are that parents had previously resided in Hawaii during the year prior to the birth. Those requirements still exist today. It has nothing to do with Sun-Yatsen’s time of birth, he is only a famous example.
See Post #205 for a court filing referring to Maya Soetoro. If those attorneys presented a statement relating to her COLB without factual backup then they are extremely incompetent and negligent attorneys. I will presume they have evidence. I could be wrong but I know lawyers would no more present hearsay in court than they would tell a judge in court to shove off.
The fact that you would ‘notice’ other posters finding no evidence and draw the conclusion that she has no COLB is in itself evidence that you believe what you want to believe. Those posters did not conclude there was no COLB, they merely mentioned they had difficulty researching her COLB.
I will weigh a court filing reference more that a couple of web posters who are having difficulty researching the evidence.
While I do not have my own research of Hawaii Vital Statistics policies, I did find research that was posted in the TexasDarlin Blog. In their research conducted regarding the source of the Obama birth announcement the writer found:
3. Although it’s possible that a birth certificate filed by Barack’s grandparents, while he was actually born elsewhere, led to this newspaper announcement, I personally think that’s unlikely because in 1961 these announcements came directly from the Vital Statistics Office as reported by local hospitals, according to the researcher who found this information.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in-hawaii/
"Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls.
His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.”
The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.
“I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it,” said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the “Stanley” connection. "
Sooooo, let's see:
He responded by saying "Well, today, Stanley had a baby"
as if that lady knew BO's mother on a first name basis.
She was sooooooo intrigued by the name 'Stanley' that she was
compelled to write it down on a napkin and tell her father (stanley) about it...all the while forgetting that she was apparently on a first name basis with BO's mother (why the need to write it down if she knew her on a first name basis), thus the mention by the good Doc in such a way (i.e. first name only).
What a joke. If that story is creadible, then BO's grandmothers story about him being born in Kenya is (at least) 10x more creadible as at least she's a blood relative.
Good grief.
When Jr was born in 1961 a family member could report the birth, no secondary information such as prenatal treatment etc was required. Grandpa lied all the time and Grandma was also adept at deception.(Grandpa told people Jr was a great great grandson of King Kamehameha, he also said his own mother committed suicide when she died of ptomaine poisoning, Grandma married Grandpa in May 1940 and kept it secret from her own family for over a month until she had graduated from high school) Grandma at that time was essentially the mortgage department at the Bank of Hawaii and I can see grandma doubting her daughter was married.(Ann was a consumate liar) To protect her daughter’s “honor” and lend a legitimacy to the situation grandma could have registered the birth knowing of a safe address to use from her position at the bank. The mere fact of registering the birth would have generated the birth announcement in the papers. Madelyn’s co-workers at the bank didn’t know she was a grandmother until Jr showed up there one day after school in the 70’s.
According to Jr’s babysitter at the apartment on Capitol Hill Ann’s parents were supporting her. I do wonder if she also worked since her plan as relayed by her friends was that she would work, go to school and take care of the baby. The babysitter said she took care of Jr while Ann attended night classes at the University, so she could very well have worked during the daytime. There would have been plenty of jobs leading up to and including during the time the World’s Fair was open (April 21,1962 to October 21, 1962). Ann would have been eligible for in state tuition in WA state which would more than make up for the tuition paid at UH at Manoa. One reason I have always doubted that Jr was born in HI is a total lack of infant pictures. There are many pictures of Jr after he and his mother returned to HI in early 1963 but the only baby photo ever released was of a 6 to 8 month old released after the death of Madelyn Dunham. The photo is a professional one with only Jr in it. If Ann had Jr in HI would the proud grandparents not have taken as many photos as possible of their first born grandchild?
The only time I could see Ann trying to get state aid was when she returned to HI in early 1963 and lived in the apartment on Alexander St.which had been rented for her by her parents. She lived there for mere months before moving back in with her parents at the home on Kamehameha Ave. and registering to attend spring classes at UH at Manoa.
Even with legal documents filed I have not found information which would verify Maya actually has a Hawaiian C.O.L.B. so I won’t say yea or nay. I can see Ann rushing to HI to obtain a C.O.L.B. but don’t know that she did so. There are enough holes in Barbara Nelson’s story that a Hawaiian C.O.L.B. for Maya is incidental at this time.
This is why I suspect Ann had Baby O in Kenya and took a direct flight to Seattle, Washington (or Vancouver BC, which I suspect)using the polar route from London. While in Seattle, I believe Madelyn took care of the Hawaii birth particulars. I am suspecting that Madelyn, being a bank executive, knew how to put it together so that Baby O was a citizen of Hawaii. Hence, the entry in the Indonesian school application which shows the place of birth in Honolulu, August 4, 1961. It is the Indonesian school application that really throws me. That kind of evidence contradicts any idea of a Kenyan birth.
OK, so they are incompetent and negligent. The Hollister filing claims that Maya has a COLB but offers no source for this information. But it's clear where it comes from. In Berg's first filing he makes the same claim but says that he knows this because the Obama COLB posted online has been shown to be a doctored version of Maya's.
Since this is completely bogus, it's obvious that Berg, Hollister, and their attorneys had no real source for this information. Berg has no way of knowing if Maya has a Hawaiian COLB any more than he would know if I had one.
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