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Evolution debate persists because it's not science
The Sun News ^ | February 23, 2009 | By Raymond H. Kocot

Posted on 02/22/2009 10:58:04 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

Opinion

Monday, Feb. 23, 2009

Evolution debate persists because it's not science

By Raymond H. Kocot

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But did you ever wonder why Darwinism's general theory of evolution, sometimes called macroevolution, has been debated for over 150 years without resolution? The surprising answer is Darwin's macroevolution theory is not a legitimate science. The National Academy of Sciences clearly defined science in its 1998 guidebook for science teachers. The definition begins with [stating that] science is a particular way of knowing about the world, and ends with, "Anything that can be observed or measured is amenable to scientific investigation. Explanations that cannot be based on empirical evidence are not part of science." In other words, a legitimate scientific theory (a hypothesis or idea) must be observable in real time and must be testable, yielding reproducible results. That is the core of the scientific method that has brought man out of the Dark Ages.

Because confirmable observations and generating experimental data are impossible for unique events like life's origin and macroevolution theory, world-famous evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr prompts evolutionists to construct historical narratives to try to explain evolutionary events or processes. In other words, stories are all evolutionists can muster to support macroevolution theory. If macroevolution theory, which must rest on faith in a story and is considered to be scientific, why not the creation story. With that in mind, it is no wonder the molecules-to-man debate has persisted for 150 years...

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To: metmom
So what’s wrong with believing that the Bible is literally the Word of God?

What's wrong with believing that the Qur'an is the word of God?

351 posted on 02/23/2009 5:08:33 PM PST by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: whattajoke

But there is no way for you to know that those are really “missing links”.

These are assumptions based on similarities in morphology. Nobody was there to observe or measure.

As has been shown elsewhere in this thread, morphology is not a very reliable indicator of speciation. If so, then, in the presence of only their fossilized remains, the Retriever could be mistaken as an intermediary between the Chiuaua and the Great Dane.


352 posted on 02/23/2009 5:28:24 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: ketsu
If he wasn't so damaging to the conservative cause, he'd be funny in a pathetic kind of way.
The worst of it is how damaging it is to Christianity. In college, I saw people lose their faith when confronted with reality in science classes. It's a stumbling block to my peers, many of whom believe that propaganda that all Christians are uneducated and, furthermore, don't want to be educated.

353 posted on 02/23/2009 5:29:15 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: Westbrook

You would make a good trial lawyer. I can hear you now at the OJ trial. “If you weren’t there, you must acquit.” Brilliant. Why hasn’t anyone else thought of this?


354 posted on 02/23/2009 5:31:22 PM PST by js1138
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To: ketsu

> You’re going to need to provide some citations to back up
> these claims. Unsourced assertions aren’t going to cut it.

An article published by Institute for Creation Research cites the following salient references, among others.

Gingerich, N.A. Wells, D.E. Russell, and S.M. Shah, Science, Vol. 220, 1983, pp. 403-406

A.S. Romer, Vertebrate Paleontology, 3rd Ed., U. of Chicago Press, 1966, p. 244.


355 posted on 02/23/2009 5:35:29 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: js1138

> I can hear you now at the OJ trial. “If you weren’t
> there, you must acquit.” Brilliant. Why hasn’t anyone
> else thought of this?

Ah, I see.

Conjecture based on fanciful assumptions of what may have occured in the distant past is as good as hard DNA evidence taken from a virtually contemporaneous event.

As you wish, but not a very brilliant analog.


356 posted on 02/23/2009 5:37:40 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
"Ever see 2001: A Spce Odyssesy??? "
329 posted on Monday, February 23, 2009 7:34:41 PM by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)

Good film. Touché.

Partial to the Himalayan Yeti though.

357 posted on 02/23/2009 5:41:36 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Westbrook
An article published by Institute for Creation Research cites the following salient references, among others.
Citing 20 and 30 year old research is not helping your cause. Do you have any *recent* research that refutes the transitional fossils(described *this* month)?
358 posted on 02/23/2009 5:41:53 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu
If he wasn't so damaging to the conservative cause, he'd be funny in a pathetic kind of way.
The worst of it is how damaging it is to Christianity. In college, I saw people lose their faith when confronted with reality in science classes. It's a stumbling block to my peers, many of whom believe the propaganda that all Christians are uneducated and, furthermore, don't want to be educated. I am a 100% creationist, believe that the Bible is without error, and believe that salvation is obtained by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone.

359 posted on 02/23/2009 5:43:15 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: GodGunsGuts
The Free Republic hardcore evolutionists sound exactly like and use the same tone as the far left leadership of the Democrat party.

They are all hardcore evolutionists whose worldview presses them to explain away the first eleven chapters of Genesis at all costs.

They all ultimately end up accepting homosexuality as not so wicked and sinful as the Bible clearly says it is, an abomination. Just like the father of lies, they say, "Yea, hath God said?"

Death entered the world by sin, and fools make a mock of sin.

360 posted on 02/23/2009 5:43:56 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: Westbrook
Ah, I see.

Conjecture based on fanciful assumptions of what may have occured in the distant past is as good as hard DNA evidence taken from a virtually contemporaneous event.

As you wish, but not a very brilliant analog.

Uuuum... do you know anything about how researchers arrive at these "fanciful assumptions"?
361 posted on 02/23/2009 5:46:03 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Old Landmarks
The Free Republic hardcore evolutionists sound exactly like and use the same tone as the far left leadership of the Democrat party. They are all hardcore evolutionists whose worldview presses them to explain away the first eleven chapters of Genesis at all costs.

They all ultimately end up accepting homosexuality as not so wicked and sinful as the Bible clearly says it is, an abomination. Just like the father of lies, they say, "Yea, hath God said?"

Death entered the world by sin, and fools make a mock of sin.

Uuuuum... most scientists don't give a rats patoot about genesis. They care about getting published and not eviscerated by their peers.

Crevos on the other hand...

362 posted on 02/23/2009 5:47:44 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: DallasMike
The worst of it is how damaging it is to Christianity. In college, I saw people lose their faith when confronted with reality in science classes. It's a stumbling block to my peers, many of whom believe the propaganda that all Christians are uneducated and, furthermore, don't want to be educated. I am a 100% creationist, believe that the Bible is without error, and believe that salvation is obtained by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone.
Well if you believe the Crevo BS then the bible *has* to be wrong. That's why they are stripmining and destroying the conservativism by piggybacking on top of it.

I give Crevos one or two more generations max. The internet is already destroying crevo ideology among the young.

363 posted on 02/23/2009 5:51:51 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Westbrook
Conjecture based on fanciful assumptions of what may have occured in the distant past is as good as hard DNA evidence taken from a virtually contemporaneous event.

Interesting parallel, since the same reasoning that assigns parenthood and kinship in court cases is evidence of kinship among all living things.

364 posted on 02/23/2009 5:57:36 PM PST by js1138
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To: r9etb; editor-surveyor
But again -- at root the real heat in this particular debate tends to center on religious, rather than scientific issues. If you scratch the surface of an ardent Creationist, you're likely to find a person who is seriously worried that "evolution is true" implies that there is no God.

Well said. Add to that the fact that if they believe that the universe is not 6,000 years old, then the Bible must not be true.

This comes from an inability to grasp the various meanings of Hebrew words and an innate anti-intellectualism. Not one Young-Earther I've asked on these threads has ever made public their scientific education and work background. I wonder why?

I don't know anything about welding. I've never been trained in it and have no work experience. Imagine if I posted an article that promoted ideas on welding that were completely out of line with welding techniques and knowledge. In fact, the article claims that you can weld steel to ice cubes. If some people with actual welding experience and knowledge showed up to set me straight with the facts, would I accept their knowledge or call them atheists and boot-lickers at the Cult of the Temple of Weldingism? I would hope that I would do the former.

That's exactly what the Young-Earthers do. They blindly post things that they don't understand and insult anyone who actually knows what they're talking about. You try to rationalize with them, point out that the incontrovertible truth, and try to reason with them on the Bible. They don't understand it because they can't.


365 posted on 02/23/2009 6:05:48 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: ketsu
I give Crevos one or two more generations max. The internet is already destroying crevo ideology among the young.


366 posted on 02/23/2009 6:06:04 PM PST by js1138
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To: ketsu
Scientists? Where did I say scientist in the post you answered?

.... I said The Free Republic hardcore evolutionists

The Free Republic hardcore evolutionists have long exhibited strong negative opinions concerning the accuracy and authority of Genesis. They have ranted about it for years, in thread after thread.

They repeat the sentiments of social leftists and atheists such as Dawkins, Hitchens, Eugenie Scott, and any leftwing scientist in the very radical ACLU.

All deny that we are "Endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights".

The think our rights come from Big Government and judicial activism.

367 posted on 02/23/2009 6:10:21 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: utherdoul

Because unlike the Bible, it is based on solid research.


368 posted on 02/23/2009 6:11:38 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: js1138

Now that is a crevo smackdown. I guess society has *evolved* past creationism. That should earn you some bile.


369 posted on 02/23/2009 6:15:04 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Old Landmarks
Scientists? Where did I say scientist in the post you answered? .... I said The Free Republic hardcore evolutionists

The Free Republic hardcore evolutionists have long exhibited strong negative opinions concerning the accuracy and authority of Genesis. They have ranted about it for years, in thread after thread.

They repeat the sentiments of social leftists and atheists such as Dawkins, Hitchens, Eugenie Scott, and any leftwing scientist in the very radical ACLU.

All deny that we are "Endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights".

The think our rights come from Big Government and judicial activism.

Did you forget your meds?
370 posted on 02/23/2009 6:16:17 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Old Landmarks

I don’t like the idea of ecclesiastical government...

I am an atheist... fags should not get married, abortions are murder, throw the illegals out, keep your paws off my gun cabinet, keep the perverts away from my kids, and stay away from my wallet...

This is all I ask, but the ecclesiastic secularists are making me their enemy and I’ll join the creationists in hanging them if I get the chance...

JUST TO CLEAR UP WHERE I STAND...


371 posted on 02/23/2009 6:17:08 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: ketsu
Did you forget your meds?

Talking to yourself again I suppose.

372 posted on 02/23/2009 6:20:27 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: Old Landmarks
Talking to yourself again I suppose.
ooooh... consider me zinged by your great wit. Which of the voices in your head am I talking to?
373 posted on 02/23/2009 6:22:24 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I don’t like the idea of ecclesiastical government...

I am an atheist... fags should not get married, abortions are murder, throw the illegals out, keep your paws off my gun cabinet, keep the perverts away from my kids, and stay away from my wallet...

This is all I ask, but the ecclesiastic secularists are making me their enemy and I’ll join the creationists in hanging them if I get the chance...

JUST TO CLEAR UP WHERE I STAND...

Speaking of forgetting meds...
374 posted on 02/23/2009 6:23:14 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Old Landmarks

It’s all part of their plan to make homo behavior “normal”. It’s incredibly obvious, isn’t it? Evolution is introduced into our schools, and then it advances to teaching that gays are just like you and me. That’s the way your hardcore Commie works.


375 posted on 02/23/2009 6:23:23 PM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
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To: ketsu

Voices huh? You use the same tact as those on the Daily Kos.


376 posted on 02/23/2009 6:27:13 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory
It’s all part of their plan to make homo behavior “normal”. It’s incredibly obvious, isn’t it? Evolution is introduced into our schools, and then it advances to teaching that gays are just like you and me. That’s the way your hardcore Commie works.
Wow... we're hitting the tinfoil hat trifecta here.

I do love the logic here.

Science -> Evolution -> Homosexuality -> Communism

Therefore:

Science = Communism.

Q.E.D.

I want whatever you guys are smoking.

377 posted on 02/23/2009 6:27:44 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Old Landmarks
Voices huh? You use the same tact as those on the Daily Kos.
Lol... you know you're crazy when conservatives *and* liberals agree that you're nuts.
378 posted on 02/23/2009 6:29:05 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Old Landmarks
Voices huh? You use the same tact as those on the Daily Kos.
Lol... you know you're crazy when conservatives *and* liberals agree that you're nuts.
379 posted on 02/23/2009 6:29:16 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu
Lol... you know you're crazy when conservatives *and* liberals agree that you're nuts.

You are not a conservative, you are well on the left, most likely a social liberal, which is why your tact matches that of the far left.

380 posted on 02/23/2009 6:31:03 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: ketsu
I am good at tying rope...

What you jerks can't get through your skulls is that I don't want you screwing around with the first amendment.

The foundation of our society is rooted in the Judaic culture...

Our rights are not from and earthly monarch as Moses did say. Moses was a real person.

I don't care for your ecclesiastical government ripping Bibles out of people's hands. I am contented with people making up their own minds.

The only thing that makes man civilized is the fear of death for transgressions against his neighbor. I ride a pale horse.

381 posted on 02/23/2009 6:34:01 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Old Landmarks
You are not a conservative, you are well on the left, most likely a social liberal, which is why your tact matches that of the far left.
Yes I know, everybody that doesn't agree with you is a leftist. You morons are one of the main cancers destroying modern conservatives.

By all means, go ahead and drive all of the smart people out. Usher in 30+ years of Obamanomics. Don't worry, you won't have to blame yourself, you can just claim the homos made you do it.

382 posted on 02/23/2009 6:34:16 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Old Landmarks

Interesting parallel. Of course evolution critics have adopted the same deconstructionist language perfected by radical feminism.

In fact just arguing motives as opposed to arguing the merits of the science itself is exactly the kind of argumentation that te marxists perfected.


383 posted on 02/23/2009 6:35:59 PM PST by js1138
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I am good at tying rope... What you jerks can't get through your skulls is that I don't want you screwing around with the first amendment.

The foundation of our society is rooted in the Judaic culture...

Our rights are not from and earthly monarch as Moses did say. Moses was a real person.

I don't care for your ecclesiastical government ripping Bibles out of people's hands. I am contented with people making up their own minds.

The only thing that makes man civilized is the fear of death for transgressions against his neighbor. I ride a pale horse.

Whoa there Mcveigh. Hope you don't live near any federal buildings...
384 posted on 02/23/2009 6:36:26 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
The only thing that makes man civilized is the fear of death for transgressions against his neighbor.

LOL. You must be fun at parties.

385 posted on 02/23/2009 6:38:56 PM PST by js1138
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To: ketsu

Texas-Prosecutors say UNT student was raped, strangled, then set on fire (Illegal alien suspect)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2192457/posts

EAT SH*T... I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK... GET OUT OF THE WAY...


386 posted on 02/23/2009 6:39:06 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: ColdWater

oooh...I feel so terribly scorned by your cutting intellectual insult!

Riding a Harley is about doing whatever the I please with my hard earned, God given money and the free time He gives me to enjoy the beauty of His creation. Not that it is any of your fickin’ business.

You’re just so mad because you are convicted that my tag line points
RIGHT
AT
YOU

*chuckle*

You evos are all so easily bruised.
You god of science and this world offers you nothing but emptiness.
But then again it must be difficult to have to publicly confess that your own beliefs are that you claim to have evolved from LOWER life forms(as in LESSER..less that human....sub-human...primordial soup with no cognitive abilities whatsoever...also known as your relatives!) and as such, life is meaningless to you, with no value, because in your world view you came from nothing, end up as nothing and everything in the middle is nothingness with no real everlasting purpose whatsoever, with no real hope for things like justice, or mercy (for that is against survival or the fittest, riiiight?).

No wonder you feel that you gain some sort of simple-minded “gotcha” by attempting to criticize my personal spending and recreational enjoyments.

Next time I ride my Harley in the nice South Florida sun...at one point, I’ll think back to your comment and grin as the wind blows through my blonde hair and my GF’s pretty hair, as I know, deep within myself that you were so jealous of my Harley. And again, I will laugh out loud at your world view that you actually believe you are related to primates....ad proudly admit it! And I’ll laugh again after the initial laugh.

Then, hopefully, I’ll remember to pray for you.

Until then...take care.

Oh...what kind of technological marvel of a bike did you say you ride?
Oh...that’s right...you didn’t

..still laughing


387 posted on 02/23/2009 6:39:10 PM PST by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: js1138

Oh, I’m a lot of fun at parties. I just love beating the living crap out of drunks...


388 posted on 02/23/2009 6:40:07 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Texas-Prosecutors say UNT student was raped, strangled, then set on fire (Illegal alien suspect)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2192457/posts

EAT SH*T... I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK... GET OUT OF THE WAY...

Awwww... did I make the widdle unabomber wannabe mad? Better get started on the manifesto before they put you in the looney bin. Can't ride many pale horses in there.
389 posted on 02/23/2009 6:44:34 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: woollyone
..still laughing
Somebody feels insecure about the size of their pee-pee.
390 posted on 02/23/2009 6:45:57 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Let me guess: You’re a “Covenentalist?

Somewhat. Like Covenantalists, I believe that, in all ages, the only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ. However, I do not believe in infant Baptism or other, similar rituals. And I do not hold to the Dispensalationist idea of a pre-trib rapture. I was once an avid proponent of a pre-trib rapture, but after 20 years of study, I finally admitted to myself that the doctrine was lacking.

When Jesus spoke at Mt. Olivet, he was talking of the end of the Jewish age. When you understand that (you've got to study the Greek), it makes perfect sense.

I believe that Nero was an anti-Christ. However, when you study the major and minor prophets and don't focus solely on Daniel and revelation (as most pre-tribs do), it is clear that the anti-Christ is an Assyrian and is a descendant of the people who destroyed the temple -- Syrians, Turks, and others. The Italian Romans actually tried to keep the temple from being destroyed. Thus, the anti-Christ cannot be a European

I also believe that the war of Gog and Magog as described in Ezekiel is the same war as Armageddon. Again, you have to study the Bible as a whole to arrive at this understanding. It took me many years. A good place to begin is Joel's Trumpet. I had come to the same conclusion independently and was pleasantly surprised to find that there were like-minded people.


391 posted on 02/23/2009 6:48:02 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: ketsu

No, you haven’t made me mad... Your stupidity is frustrating...


392 posted on 02/23/2009 6:50:51 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: whattajoke; Cedric
Archaeopteryx was real. Get your frauds straight.

Young-Earth Creationism means that you never have to worry about facts.

393 posted on 02/23/2009 6:51:43 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
No, you haven’t made me mad... Your stupidity is frustrating...
My goodness that calmed you down quite a bit. Where'd the pale horses, homos and eating pooh go?
394 posted on 02/23/2009 6:52:46 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: ketsu

> Citing 20 and 30 year old research is not helping your
> cause. Do you have any *recent* research that refutes the
> transitional fossils(described *this* month)?

Do you have anything more recent than the debunked “transitional” whales?


395 posted on 02/23/2009 6:52:49 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Westbrook
Do you have anything more recent than the debunked “transitional” whales?
Not that I'm surprised you haven't kept up with the current literature... Google is your friend.
396 posted on 02/23/2009 6:54:03 PM PST by ketsu (It’s not a campaign. It’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: DallasMike

Trust me, you need way more study. The “end of the Jewish age” will be at the end of the millenium. Read Romans 11 carefully. The Jews will be saved through Christ, but they get a pass until the end of the Gentile age.

The Jewish culture is here to educate us to the understanding of the Lord’s four appointed times.


397 posted on 02/23/2009 6:54:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Cedric; ColdWater
CW: You know the old saying. Beware of those that shout the loudest for it is they that have the most to hide.

Cedric: Documentation or link please.

A link to this thread or any one of the innumerable GGG threads proves the point perfectly. Young-Earth Creationists are incapable of engaging in rational, reasonable arguments. If you don't accept their dubious beliefs, you're going straight to hell.

398 posted on 02/23/2009 6:56:00 PM PST by DallasMike
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To: Old Landmarks
ketsu and others like him are long established trolls who are only here to stab at the religious folks...

And like I said, I don't have to be a religionist to want the same things (like free thought in education) for my country as you do.

399 posted on 02/23/2009 6:56:10 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: ketsu

Like I saked you earlier... a-hole...

What evolutionary viability is there in a homosexual relationship?

ANSWER: ZERO...


400 posted on 02/23/2009 6:58:03 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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